Why Movies Suck Now Part One: The Myths

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Why Movies Suck Now Part One: The Myths

Movies may suck these days, but these aren't the reasons why.

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And here I like movies today. Weird.

Is one the the REAL reasons:

Teenage and tween GIRLS?

You know...the aforementioned Twilight.

High School Musical and its ilk.

V? Really using V for Vendetta as an examplem against movies being too political?

I'll admit I'm not expert on the movie but the comic is about as political as it gets.

Axolotl:
V? Really using V for Vendetta as an examplem against movies being too political?

I'll admit I'm not expert on the movie but the comic is about as political as it gets.

I think he meant as in divided politically. It mixes right and left wing ideas.

I've never seen it or read it, and have no intention to. But interpreting Moviebob, that's what I got.

Meh, i don't really care about movies anyway. It's a dying industry that leeches off other types of media.

Finally, someone putting into words what I've been thinking all this time.

Can't wait to hear what you think the real reasons are.

Onyx Oblivion:

Axolotl:
V? Really using V for Vendetta as an examplem against movies being too political?

I'll admit I'm not expert on the movie but the comic is about as political as it gets.

I think he meant as in divided politically. It mixes right and left wing ideas.

I've never seen it or read it, and have no intention to. But interpreting Moviebob, that's what I got.

Yeah but the comic at least is very left wing. About as left wing as you can get. It's basically Alan Moore ranting about Thatcher. It had moral ambiguity but not much political ambiguity.

Axolotl:

Onyx Oblivion:

Axolotl:
V? Really using V for Vendetta as an examplem against movies being too political?

I'll admit I'm not expert on the movie but the comic is about as political as it gets.

I think he meant as in divided politically. It mixes right and left wing ideas.

I've never seen it or read it, and have no intention to. But interpreting Moviebob, that's what I got.

Yeah but the comic at least is very left wing. About as left wing as you can get. It's basically Alan Moore ranting about Thatcher. It had moral ambiguity but not much political ambiguity.

The problem is the the political scale is in fact a square, and not a line. In america, people try to cut that square diagonally for the two-party dichotomy: Liberals are Left\Authoritarian, and conservatives are Right\Libertarian. V for vendetta challenges this notion by making the hero Left\Libertarian.

Of course, it's an entirely false dichotomy, but that's just where the chips at the present.

I will say the one myth that really grates my nerves is the bullshit "NOTHING IS ORIGINAL!" phrase which comes from EVERY DAMN MEDIUM. Hell, even brilliant, visionary guys like Tolkien and William Gibson (speaking of which, if anyone likes Inception go check out the Sprawl Trilogy by Gibson, it's fantastic) borrowed things from various sources. Every time someone says that I wanna slap them. Influential isolation is IMPOSSIBLE

My big problem with sequels is not their existence, its the fact that they seem to either be going too far (shrek 4? 3 was terrible) or they dig up something that was semi-recent and make really really piss poor sequels that try to BE the originals but don't make it. (Indy! noooooooooo!)

From what I hear, the A-team sequel is a good one. Not trying to BE the original but not straying too far from it.

I think all of hollywood's problems have ONE single source, money. Films have the ability to be wildly successful beyound anybodies dreams or put the studio in so much dept they have to go bankrupt. This risk vs. reward enviroment has made every studio scrambling to find what makes money and more importantly, what MADE money. Story, characters, and orginality are rarely part of the equation. CGI, action, and adaptions ussually are. There are exceptions, Pixar being able to go by since every film has been a hit and allowed studios to make even more in toy tie ins.

vivaldiscool:
The problem is the the political scale is in fact a square, and not a line. In america, people try to cut that square diagonally for the two-party dichotomy: Liberals are Left\Authoritarian, and conservatives are Right\Libertarian. V for vendetta challenges this notion by making the hero Left\Libertarian.

Of course, it's an entirely false dichotomy, but that's just where the chips at the present.

Juding it by an American political viepoint maybe. But judged from an Englich point of view? Anarchism has always been left wing. Always.

Hollywood movies are usually bad, I don't know what the issue is. Outside of Hollywood, American cinema is pretty strong as it's always been, with indie directors such as Tarantino, Soderbergh, and Spike Lee showing Hollywood how it's done. British cinema has retained its quality in terms of acting and direction. French and Belgian cinema has become better and more adventurous, I would argue, in recent times than in the past, with films such as Irreversible and Ex Drummer. The Japanese horror genre has exploded in popularity and quality over the past two decades. We've been lucky to be importing a lot of quality Korean cinema in recent times also, Park Chan-wook's films in particular.

I suppose if you go to big-money cinemas showing Hollywood films all the time you're bound to think films are in decline.

Quick: Can you think of a functional premise somehow involving a hungry, hungry hippo? Because that might be worth money right now.

Been watching robot chicken lately Bob?

Somehow I thought he would dedicate this week to the Mel Gibson thing.

Interesting article. You hear most of these myths a lot unfortunately. Oh, and not that it really matters but Philip Marlowe was a detective in Raymond Chandler's books. Sam Spade and the Maltese Falcon were written by Dashiell Hammett.

It boils down to this: Hollywood makes movies that have made money before.

Someone makes a movie, critically it bombs. But people see it, it makes a lot of money.

Hollywood continues to exploit this trend of making movies that make money.

It doesn't matter what kind of movie it is, they'll keep doing it. Remember when spoof movies were huge? They made a lot of them. They made a lot of torture porn because of Saw and Hostel, now there's not much of it with the exception of the annual Saw movie.

Interesting read, but I don't believe your key assumption for your political argument: liberal-movie making only turns off the 25% of right-wingers who care enough to vote. Rather, making movies that appeal to strong left-wing politics appeals to only 25% of viewers. Whether the rest of the 75% of movie goers are turned off by the ideals (the 25% of right-wingers), or just turned off by political extremism (the 50% of people who are apathetic/anti-political) is a whole different issue.

If movie makers are only appealing to left-wingers, that's only 25% of America. Hollywood politics can still be blamed for movie suckage.

Yeah about the political leanings of movie makers and their movies. I swear my brother can pic those out every friggin time. Its kind of annoying actually. I'm like why can't you just watch a movie and enjoy it?

Me I'm not so critical. I can usually tell if I'm going to like a movie from the previews. If I don't think i'll like it. I just won't go see it. And I love movies.

Yeah it gets tiring that they are doing remakes alot more. But that stuff has been going on for a long time(like bob said). Even with music. It was just harder back then to find the information to prove your point. Now its just a google search away.

vivaldiscool:

The problem is the the political scale is in fact a square, and not a line.

A larger problem is people who sincerely believe they can reduce complex situations to simple geometric figures.

Seriously dude, your statement pretty much embodies the Dunning-Kruger effect.

Are movies really any worse today than they have been in previous years? I think they come out at about the same quality as they always have. In a given year, there's several standout excellent movies, a bunch of decent, entertaining movies worth watching, and a ton of crap. Is this really different from how movies were many many years ago? I clearly don't know near as much about the history of cinema as Movie Bob, but I would be surprised if the quality spectrum of movies has always looked roughly the same. I surely doubt there weren't crappy movies made 30, 40, 50 years ago. "Oh, they don't make movies like Fantastic Movie X, Y and Z anymore." Ya, but you're just ignoring all the crap that came out that year as well because you don't bother remembering the crap(most of the time). Sure there are some years that are statistical outliers with a very large or very small number of great movies released, but then there is generally a return to the mean and we keep going at the same rate.

Generally, I leave a lot of movies alone. There aren't a lot that seem to peak my interest, especially in the last decade. I think I got ruined on the late 80s action movies (if anyone else here is old enough to remember the rise of Segal and Van Damme). Those movies, while most had different stories, usually had the same elements. The worst thing I can remember from those movies were the gratuitous sex scenes in nearly every movie. Just out of nowhere, for the benefit of the male audience (and to the female audience that got dragged along) the main characters would just start humping in the middle of the movie. And there I'd sit, not entirely hating to see an attractive woman naked, but wondering why in the hell they are screwing when they are either supposed to be getting away from the bad guys or trying to hunt them down. At least in the first Terminator movie, it actually panned out to make sense in the sequel (even though John Conner's age didn't make a damn bit of sense since it was less than a decade between movies, yet he had somehow become 12 or 14 years old in that time). Van Damme always found an excuse to do the splits (the worst example was in Time Cop), and Mr. Asian Experience always found a way to work in an angle where he tossed some guy through a window or glass table. For a few movies, Wesley Snipes found a reason to do a high kick to someone's head. They all had their signature moves that fans always looked forward to them doing, sort of like the moment nearly everyone waits for in modern movies where they mention the title of the movie within the movie, none being more of a whore to this concept as "Dude, Where's My Car?".
I'm glad we've seen the death of those terrible spoof movies that we were plagued by for the longest time, with at least one coming out every year based on the popular movies of the day. Damn those got annoying as hell!

I find that all of these myths revolve around what kind of movie is being made. A lot of people try to pass it off as just a matter of taste, but a poorly made pizza is still shitty even if you like that flavor. Any kind of movie (political, adapted, remade, teenage oriented, etc.) can be good if it's well made. Of course, this is something that matters more to cinephiles and critics than the "average movie going audience". Great article, looking forward to the next.

Not G. Ivingname:
I think all of hollywood's problems have ONE single source, money. Films have the ability to be wildly successful beyound anybodies dreams or put the studio in so much dept they have to go bankrupt. This risk vs. reward enviroment has made every studio scrambling to find what makes money and more importantly, what MADE money. Story, characters, and orginality are rarely part of the equation. CGI, action, and adaptions ussually are. There are exceptions, Pixar being able to go by since every film has been a hit and allowed studios to make even more in toy tie ins.

I see this problem too. So many studios just make the same old uninspired crap over and over again, but it still rolls in millions of dollars. That's why I prefer smaller indie movies, but that factor does reduce the capacity of movies being able to pull off certain genres (such as fantasy or sci-fi,) in the same way that mainstream studios can.
Sure, you might get a couple real gems per year (and sorting through the sea of crap, I think the good movies these days are better than good older movies,) but the sea is definitely mostly populated with filler, which desperately needs to be filtered out.

I'm personally looking very happily forward towards future Bollywood films, as the recent decade has produced some really amazing ones, while before that every single Bollywood movie is actually basically the exact same.

I think that a lot of movies are actually getting themselves in the left wing-libertarian corner of the political square, which is a good thing to me. More movies like Avatar might actually be able to influence people's politics a fair bit, assuming all the studios just aren't into making as much money they can off the same action or romance movie in a different dress.

id say movies have gotten better, i mean look at the 90s, yes there was some goodies, but damn there was alooooot of crap.
so okey the crap can be fun to watch amongst friends, but hell even plan 9 from outer space is fun with friends, but alone its just kinda sad..
hmm wait that was a bad example i just laugh my ass of at how low grade it is, like laughing at some one who falls in the corridor.

if id put my vote to why there isn't as many good movies as it ought to be, well thats cause big name peps fuck things up, directors, producers screen writers or the sponsors having their own opinion about how to do things and so things don't reach their full potential, like district nine, its good rly good but it could be so much better whit just some minor adjustments, some more ingenuity in the weapons, the main character being just a little less of a prick(he had like 2 or 3 good qualities) , the villains a little bit more humane and a much greater depiction on the plight of the aliens and booom instead of a 8-9/10 its a 10/10 a epic to be forever remembered.

but essentially a good movie can be done on basically any story line if done right.

Last part inevitably reminded me of the old:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHY8NKj3RKs&feature=channel

GodKlown:
(even though John Conner's age didn't make a damn bit of sense since it was less than a decade between movies, yet he had somehow become 12 or 14 years old in that time

I think somewhere the movie (T2)not-so-clearly states that it takes place in 96 or 97, with the first movie taking place in 85. I could be wrong, but I think it just barely hits the mark.

electronic wolf:
Meh, i don't really care about movies anyway. It's a dying industry that leeches off other types of media.

Way to generalize a whole industry.

Anyway, I don't think that movies these days are any worse or better than normal, certainly not early 70s level but some still fantastic movies are made. As it is, i think the best way to find good movies these days is too just look at smaller movies that are often overshadowed by the big blockbusters, things like "Bad lieutenant", and stop looking at only multi-million dollar special effects wank-offs like Transformers, though sometimes even they are good, like District Nine.

Twilight is prolly the best example of really...really bad movie and narrative story telling...

Onyx Oblivion:
Is one the the REAL reasons:

Teenage and tween GIRLS?

You know...the aforementioned Twilight.

High School Musical and its ilk.

I don't see why Twilight or High School Musical and their audience would be any more to blame than Transformers or 300 and their audience. A "good" film could be made that still appeals to young girls, just as MovieBob pointed out concerning The Dark Knight and teenage boys.

My guess would be... it seems few directors are doing it for passion anymore. It's all about the benjimans now. Of course, hollywood has always made a lot of money, but it seems like old directors while making lots of money still had a passion for films.

Movies now just seem to be dumped out, run through the "make shiny" CG department and then slapped on screen. This is an obvious blanket statement as there ARE "good" films still being made.

MovieBob:
Why Movies Suck Now Part One: The Myths

Movies may suck these days, but these aren't the reasons why.

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I read your debate with "Men are pigs" woman at Big Hollywood. I decided to comment here since I don't want my online self connected any way to that site.

Speaking as a guy with an old fashioned style I have to say I was insulted. Just because I wouldn't say no to a willing and eager partner I have no respect for them and treat them as akin to a wet towel. Besides, chivalry is all about a pro-female sexual attitude. One of it's core tennant is "Ladies First".

Also, since I'm Canadian, could someone explain why abstinance education is a good idea but teaching safe sex isn't?

It would be helpful to define what makes a movie suck so there would be common grounds for discussion. I know the question is broad and does not easily isolate to any particular factor, but knowing what standards have deteriorated in the last 10 or 20 years would help bring focus to the article.

Referencing some of the comments, before one goes and says "I don't like most movies being made today" it is important to keep in mind different people have different tastes and the American movie industry caters to broad tastes and so one shouldn't expect to like all or even a majority of movies being produced.

I personally dislike movies simply for time reasons. 2 hours is too short to go truly in depth compared to a TV series, novel, or even a video game. Yet sitting down for two hours just watching something goes beyond my attention span at the same time. But I guess that is just a personal bias I have... I rather play a video game or read a novel for two hours straight then just watch something.

Before people are like TV sucks (which it often does as well), a few words-

AVATAR: The Last Airbender...

TV> movies...

hehehe...

fallacious reasoning is fun... =)

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