Zero Punctuation: DeathSpank & Limbo

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Really great Yahtzee, review some great-looking indie games were the faggot developers don't plan a PC release. Fucking console peasants, this is why PC gamers pirate (because we only get EA/Actiblizzard generic shootan or 1/3 of Starcraft 2 for full price), if some of those games were released on Steam the masterrace would easily surpass console sales

JacobyPAX:
I feel that the starcraft quip at the end was unnecessary, and if Yahtzee wants to rip into a game he should at least have the decency to do a full review on it.

I agree. I mean, if he hates a game he's played, that's fine. But he should at least give it a shot before dismissing it so offhandedly.

This is why I like Yahtzee. He's not afraid to call a game out on it's bullshit.

I was really annoyed at all the reviewers saying how awesome LIMBO was when really the only thing it had going for it was it's atmosphere, which doesn't really hold up for very long.

I find it very odd, that Yahtzee refuses to review Starcraft 2 claiming that he's not interested in RTS games. When in the past he's reviewed other genres that he had no particular interest in like Smash Bros, Soul Caliber 4, Gears of War 2, etc. He even reviewed Borderlands and Call of Duty 4 because everyone kept asking him too. What's the deal?

Arcanist:

JacobyPAX:
I feel that the starcraft quip at the end was unnecessary, and if Yahtzee wants to rip into a game he should at least have the decency to do a full review on it.

I agree. I mean, if he hates a game he's played, that's fine. But he should at least give it a shot before dismissing it so offhandedly.

He doesn't hate Starcraft. He isn't reviewing it because he doesn't understand the genre and knows he wont be able to give it a good review. He specificaly said this in his Extra Punctuation on RTS's.

The note at the end of the review was a jab at all of the people he knows will be on his ass about him not reviewing it, despite already explaining why he wont.

Deathspank is the goods, though the humour is probably more "refreshing" than "good."

Haven't tried Limbo, but it seems worth it.

I suppose this is all the mention we'll get on Transformers? I was hoping he'd do a full review, but I guess I can't have my way all the time. :P

"Starcraft 2 can continue sucking it"
THANKYOU!!
You sir are a breath of fresh air in a sea of annoying praise for every cough and piss of nostalgia a developer relies on.

Pyode:

Arcanist:

JacobyPAX:
I feel that the starcraft quip at the end was unnecessary, and if Yahtzee wants to rip into a game he should at least have the decency to do a full review on it.

I agree. I mean, if he hates a game he's played, that's fine. But he should at least give it a shot before dismissing it so offhandedly.

He doesn't hate Starcraft. He isn't reviewing it because he doesn't understand the genre and knows he wont be able to give it a good review. He specificaly said this in his Extra Punctuation on RTS's.

The note at the end of the review was a jab at all of the people he knows will be on his ass about him not reviewing it, despite already explaining why he wont.

I know he doesn't hate the game, but he shouldn't dismiss a game unless he's played it. The comment at the end of this ZP just smacks of antagonizing dick move.

Arcanist:

I know he doesn't hate the game, but he shouldn't dismiss a game unless he's played it. The comment at the end of this ZP just smacks of antagonizing dick move.

Again, he's not "dismissing" the game. He's "dismissing" all of the people who will (and no doubt already have) send him tons of emails, tweets, and comments on his reviews about how he should review a game that he has already said he didn't want to review.

If people would just chill out and let him review what he wants, he wouldn't have to try so hard to get his point across.

Pretty much saying that everything coming out now is repetitive garbage.

Yahtzee claims he won't review SC2 but we all know from his SSBB review that even if he really, really doesn't want to he will review a game we bitch at him about for long enough.

Sinclose:
For some reason, I think this episode felt more like some of the older ZP vids. And for me that's a good thing.

I agree, but is it just me or does it feel like, after every review, you still can't tell if he liked the game or not. He did the normal critic thing of pointing out flaws but he never usually gives his personal opinion on games.

jackanderson:
Nice review. Definately reminded me of the older ZP's.

I wish Limbo would come to PS3.

On the bright side, this means that the aisle is cleared for a review of Split/Second: Velocity! Right?

Wrong... Sorry, but yahtzee tends to focus on newer games of the generes he likes. FPS's, 3rd person shooters, 3rd person puzzle/platforming. He doesnt quite strike me as a fan of racing games,so its much more likely hes gonna review that transformers game, or possibly another retro review. Shame though, Split/second would make for a funny review, he would bash its name no doubt.

If you never branch out you will continue being disappointed by run of the mill shooters with crappy story and standard graphics, etc.

But w/e I'd prefer you didn't review SC2 because you would do what you did to Halo 3, not check out SC1 story and say "Durr, Idk the story so I'm gonna criticize the story because I don't know what's going on even tho story is what I claim to care about most durr."

Why don't you go review one of the worst representatives of the RTS genre with Halo Wars again and do it again on a console not designed for RTS play (any non computer). We don't want you on SC2, the flagship for the genre.

Linkassassin360:
-snip-

Actually, he said he was playing Split/Second: Velocity in the most recent Extra Punctuation, so he probably will be reviewing it. However, it's unclear if he will be reviewing it next week or the week after.

Pyode:

Linkassassin360:
-snip-

Actually, he said he was playing Split/Second: Velocity in the most recent Extra Punctuation, so he probably will be reviewing it. However, it's unclear if he will be reviewing it next week or the week after.

Whoops, havent gotten around to reading that quite yet.

I don't know what it is about eastern European cartoons but they are all so dreary and depressing... and it's the love of money that is the root of all evil, not money itself.

Well since I don't really want to try eating a dick at the moment, I better go download one of these right now.
sheesh, talk about playing hardball

Woooo Double-Bill!! I love these. Yahtzee should review small indie titles more often.

Anyway, on topic, both look super duper awesome, but I'm reallu strapped for cash at the moment, and I've got a large pile of other games that need finishing. Maybe sometime in the future. I think I'll get DeathSpank, if I can find it on special on the PSN one day.

JacobyPAX:
I feel that the starcraft quip at the end was unnecessary, and if Yahtzee wants to rip into a game he should at least have the decency to do a full review on it.

Yahtzee said in the latest Extra Punctuation that he will not review Starcraft 2, ever. He made it quite clear he doesn't like RTS games. Meanwhile, I'm gonna go and cry that my computer can't run SC2. But as soon as I get my new rig, that game is top priority!

OT: This review made me laugh, especially the closing joke. I had the same problem with Deathspank, although it was funny, the gameplay did grate on me a bit.

However, in my opinion, Limbo can piss off. I said it when Braid came out, and I'll say it now, I couldn't give a flying fuck if it's "artistic". I'm not paying 1200 bloody points for an extremely short game. Now don't get me wrong, we do need more original and creative games, but I'm not willing to spend my money on it. I'm sure it's a good experience though, so maybe I'll buy it when it's "Deal Of The Week" or something.

I couldn't agree with him on the War For Cybertron thing. Not challenging? I see this man hasn't fought Trypticon on hard without Co-Op.

Flash games I played I like better then Limber and they don't have 20 pounds of cash in development, but that is just me.

This was my favorite ZP since the Painkiller episode! Fantastic!

Apocolyptic despair? with Limbo?

That sort of thing is what I get playing Fallout 3, which is probubly my answer to your Silent Hill 2.

Oh come on war for cybertron was above average good!!

Is Yahtzee saying that eating a dick isn't challenging?

you should review APB

I agree 100% on both.

Deathspank's humor is annoying and the baddies all blend in the with the background to the point of being invisible.

Limbo was great but degenerated into a series of physics puzzles. Great start, poor finish.

solidstatemind:
Love the Cure reference. Betcha it was 'Disintegration'...

I don't know, even Love Cats would make me dream in grey shade about things trying to kill me.

I played DeathSpank that while repetitive in the sense of all other hack n' slash RPGs was oddly enough carried by the humor.

Limbo on the other hand was carried by the graphics since in all honesty I've played better platformer mechanics, but they're not bad.

It's an odd selection to review since they're so different... but then again given the variety of your audience I suppose it could make sense.

Also was that your brief review of War for Cybertron? Not your cup of tea eh?

Why do I get the feeling Mogworld isn't very well written if Yahtzee can't even spell "artifact" properly... :(

AgentLex:

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Roninraver:

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Turbo_ski:

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thats not my point, he said he wasn't going to review it because he felt his opinion carries little weight on the subject (thats new I know), i understand that, i just don't think the cheek is nessesary on something he said himself he is inexperienced with, and with which he has no intentions of becoming aquainted with for that matter.

That hasn't stopped him from reviewing JRPGs and SC2 is so accessible even non-gamers get into it. That whole excuse that he would be too inexperienced regarding RTS doesn't hold weight. Besides the the single player campaign plays more like a hybrid between point and click adventure and RPG with a RTS as a base.

If he decides to review it after all i will be only too happy alright?
But that doesn't change the fact that he said he isn't going to, nor does it change the reason he gave for that, my point is if he isn't going to review it like all the other games he pokes fun at, then he can keep the single sentence comments about it to himself.

Or, he can say whatever the Hells he wishes, at whatever length he wishes, about whatever topic he wishes. Y'know, like you yourself are allowed to do. Just who in the heck do you think you are, dictating to someone else what they shall or shall not say?

He says he doesn't plan on a Starcraft 2 critique, so that bars him from ever making mention, passing or otherwise, of the game again? And it gives you license to try and e-police any comment he makes until he decides to do a proper review, and "earn the right" to his opinion?

How about no? How about, he says what he wants to, when he chooses. And you can do the same. Without the need to justify yourself to anyone else.

Or do you plan on retroactively going back through your lifetime and filming a snarky fast-talking critique complete with animations to justify any offhand comment you've ever made, as you seem intent on doing so to Yahtzee. Quid pro quo.

Hey, I belive in free speech and all, but just because I can run down a street half naked carrying a pigs heart and loudly uttering satanic rituals (sounds like an awsome dare btw) doesn't mean I should. And when you claim to be a professional on something, a certain level of etiquette is usually anticipated.
in his extra punctuation, he gives a reasonable and inoffensive explanation as to why he won't be reviewing sc2, i commend him for this.
What I don't understand though, Is why he just had to go and ruin that by making a unessesary and altogether offensive comment without any follow up to vindicate his opinion.
It seems to me that if anything he could have just summarized the polite way of saying it, within about 1 sentence. The way he wrote it seems like the written equivalent of giving all the people hoping for an sc2 review the flip!
Yes yahtzee can say whatever the hell he wants, does that mean he should, or for that matter, even has a reason to?

I have free speech and i can say whatever I want so you know what?
Free speech can suck it!

was that nice? no.
can you do anything about it? Of course not i have free speech silly!
was it even nessesary? no.
If it was nessesary could i have put it in a more polite and reasonable way? yes.
i hope you are getting the picture now, if not there isn't a whole lot more i simplify for you.

If you're honestly this upset over such a frail comment, I'd suggest staying away from Zero Punctuation reviews altogether.

I have to agree with this guy. This thread caught my eye because it quickly became a flame war. Just let it be man, everyone shares a different point of view. I would personally love to see Yahtzee throw a bitch-fit over Starcraft II, but alas, that'll never happen.

As Yahtzee once said, (and I'm paraphrasing) "I don't understand the crusade-esque favore this console generation has attracted." well, now you've become that guy. except instead of defending a console your defending a game critic with a witty sense of humour and obvious self esteem issues. I'm pretty sure someone as egotistical as he is doesn't care how people interpret his banter or what people like you think. Just let it be man, let it go.

Come on people. While some parts of the single player in TF:WFC were nice, it was still lacking. Plus, there were plenty of bugs. Maybe next time they can do it right.

I love Transformers with a passion that few mortals can comprehend. I bought War For Cybertron expecting a competent yet cliched, nostalgia-driven boomfest and that was exactly what I got. Exciting or memorable would have been nice, but there ya go. If I'd owned Gears of War I'd probably have waited for WFC to drop to budget before picking it up.

Still, figures of Optimus and Bumblebee are already out and Megatron and Soundwave are coming soon. They might be the best part of the whole affair :)

-Nick

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