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Rubashov:

Celtic_Kerr:

Rubashov:

Celtic_Kerr:

No, the Sith have remained united before. They thrived under the Rule of 2 with Darth RRevan, and Revan often encouraged Malik to strike him down, offering advice. But the force is an essence that flows through all living things. If more beings are trying to syphon that power, then each person gets less power to syphon.

That doesn't really make sense. I mean, the Sith Lords weren't the only people who used the Dark Side. Just look at all the Dark Jedi running around during KotOR; if Revan wanted to keep the Dark Side concentrated, why would he have convinced the Jedi that followed him into the Mandalorian Wars to turn dark? The whole Force-being-diluted thing may have been part of Darth Bane's rationale for killing all the other Sith Lords and instituting Revan's Rule of Two as official policy, but I'm pretty sure Revan's original adoption of the rule had more to do with trying to cut down on infighting. Remember, his whole purpose in waging the Jedi Civil War was to unite the galaxy in preparation for the coming Sith invasion; infighting is hardly conducive to unity.

Revan existed Pre-KOTOR though. He was a leading figure-head and one of the main sith in the Star Wars Universe. I'll admit I don't know why you'd convince your jedi to follow the darkside either. Revan never followed a "Fight to become the best" Fighting for the sake of it amongst his followers meant nothing. Malik's attempts on his life was Malik's training. The day that Malik killed him was the day that Revan would have deemed himself no longer fit to lead, and time for Malik to take the Sith in his own direction. it's more of a "The strong shall lead" thing. Unlike Sidius, Revan wouldn't sit theree and say "Strike my apprentice down! Take his spot!" No, for Revan, it was him and his apprentice. Once his aprpecitce struck him down, then Malik would find his own apprentice. it's one of the reasons I didn't like KOTOR's directional plot twist.

Sure, it was cool, but it didn't add up with Revan's philosophy and past. Plus there was the amnesia bit in the game, so even if you did recruit the Jedi to become Sith, it could be explained that he forgot his own rule.

Umm... Wookiepedia says Revan's first appearance (in both the in-the-flesh sense and the just-mentioned sense) was in KotOR, and I'm inclined to agree; Bioware was deliberately trying its hardest not to mess with existing Star Wars canon by creating an entirely new cast of characters. If anything, it's his other appearances that don't add up with his original appearance in the game, not the other way around.

About the amnesia thing...he turned his fellow Revanchists to the Dark Side long before his mind-wipe at the hands of the Jedi Council.

Also, the whole "Dark Side being diluted" thing really doesn't make sense as Revan's motivation when you consider the fact that there was an entire empire of Sith just hanging out in the Unknown Regions, waiting for a chance to get revenge on the Republic for defeating it during the Great Hyperspace War.

The whole "diluting the Force" thing has never been cannonized, it's not a bottle of booze, it doesn't ration itself.

And Revan never got the chance to actually implement the Rule of Two. He came up with the idea, but it was too late to make it so because by then he had a vast following of other Sith and apprentices under him. It was actually Darth Bane that followed the Rule first. It had nothing to do with access to the amount of "Force" available in the universe, but merely the knowledge/teachings of it. By nature the Sith code is doomed to fail with a vast number of followers; that's because a large number of apprentices can gang up on and outnumber a single master, and then make the most powerful of apprentices the new master. This is what is meant by diluting the force, because that one apprentice, although more powerful then the others, is not as powerful or knowledgable then the original master, thus losing any untaught wisdom or knowledge that he posessed forever.

Under the Rule of Two, the apprentice should only challenge their master once all of the said master's knowledge and wisdom has been passed along. If apprentice defeats master one on one then they are worthy of taking that mantle and then starting the process all over again, if they fail though, then they were never worthy of being a Sith in the first place. The Rule of Two simply exhists so the teaching of the dark side can live on at it's fullest possible potential. Darth Revan saw that eventually, but he was betrayed before he could make it so. Read Darth Bane: Path to Destruction, it is the main premise behind the Sith concept, and is actually a very entertaining read.

Okay, nerd rant done, that was fun. I'm going to go flirt with some cute co-workers now.

quiet_samurai:

The whole "diluting the Force" thing has never been cannonized, it's not a bottle of booze, it doesn't ration itself.

And Revan never got the chance to actually implement the Rule of Two. He came up with the idea, but it was too late to make it so because by then he had a vast following of other Sith and apprentices under him. It was actually Darth Bane that followed the Rule first. It had nothing to do with access to the amount of "Force" available in the universe, but merely the knowledge/teachings of it. By nature the Sith code is doomed to fail with a vast number of followers; that's because a large number of apprentices can gang up on and outnumber a single master, and then make the most powerful of apprentices the new master. This is what is meant by diluting the force, because that one apprentice, although more powerful then the others, is not as powerful or knowledgable then the original master, thus losing any untaught wisdom or knowledge that he posessed forever.

Under the Rule of Two, the apprentice should only challenge their master once all of the said master's knowledge and wisdom has been passed along. If apprentice defeats master one on one then they are worthy of taking that mantle and then starting the process all over again, if they fail though, then they were never worthy of being a Sith in the first place. The Rule of Two simply exhists so the teaching of the dark side can live on at it's fullest possible potential. Darth Revan saw that eventually, but he was betrayed before he could make it so. Read Darth Bane: Path to Destruction, it is the main premise behind the Sith concept, and is actually a very entertaining read.

Okay, nerd rant done, that was fun. I'm going to go flirt with some cute co-workers now.

See, that actually does make sense.

Another solid entry.

Well done.

quiet_samurai:

The whole "diluting the Force" thing has never been cannonized, it's not a bottle of booze, it doesn't ration itself.

And Revan never got the chance to actually implement the Rule of Two. He came up with the idea, but it was too late to make it so because by then he had a vast following of other Sith and apprentices under him. It was actually Darth Bane that followed the Rule first. It had nothing to do with access to the amount of "Force" available in the universe, but merely the knowledge/teachings of it. By nature the Sith code is doomed to fail with a vast number of followers; that's because a large number of apprentices can gang up on and outnumber a single master, and then make the most powerful of apprentices the new master. This is what is meant by diluting the force, because that one apprentice, although more powerful then the others, is not as powerful or knowledgable then the original master, thus losing any untaught wisdom or knowledge that he posessed forever.

Under the Rule of Two, the apprentice should only challenge their master once all of the said master's knowledge and wisdom has been passed along. If apprentice defeats master one on one then they are worthy of taking that mantle and then starting the process all over again, if they fail though, then they were never worthy of being a Sith in the first place. The Rule of Two simply exhists so the teaching of the dark side can live on at it's fullest possible potential. Darth Revan saw that eventually, but he was betrayed before he could make it so. Read Darth Bane: Path to Destruction, it is the main premise behind the Sith concept, and is actually a very entertaining read.

Okay, nerd rant done, that was fun. I'm going to go flirt with some cute co-workers now.

Note to self: don't work with backstabbing bastards; they screw up the grand plan.

And lo' Darth Ramsey was born.

Celtic_Kerr:

Bob_F_It:
The "You kill it, you win it" order of things never made sense to me. You could have your one supreme guy knowing he was the better one, or you could just have two guys of similar power.

EDIT: NINJA'D

The theory is based off of Darth Revan's (Yes, THE Darth Revan from Kotor) rule of two. There are always two sith, never more than two. One to hold the power, and one to crave it. The Jedi became so weak and let palpatine slip by unknowing he was a sith because there were so many Jedi, they diluted the force basically. Too many people trying to use the light side of it. The rule of two ensures that the two sith are as powerful as possible.

THe one who craves the power is expected to kill his master. It's almost a complement to the master in a "You trained me well, I will carry on the Sith legacy from here" kinda way. You earn what you kill

well, I thought Revan did like most of the 'Rocky' sequels :P

The more of these I read the more I love them! And yes it must really suck to be the second in command when Palpatine's your boss.

Emperor = Best Boss Ever

Celtic_Kerr:

Bob_F_It:
The "You kill it, you win it" order of things never made sense to me. You could have your one supreme guy knowing he was the better one, or you could just have two guys of similar power.

EDIT: NINJA'D

The theory is based off of Darth Revan's (Yes, THE Darth Revan from Kotor) rule of two. There are always two sith, never more than two. One to hold the power, and one to crave it. The Jedi became so weak and let palpatine slip by unknowing he was a sith because there were so many Jedi, they diluted the force basically. Too many people trying to use the light side of it. The rule of two ensures that the two sith are as powerful as possible.

THe one who craves the power is expected to kill his master. It's almost a complement to the master in a "You trained me well, I will carry on the Sith legacy from here" kinda way. You earn what you kill

So wait... wait... you're saying that The Force is kinda like the MP system in Mario RPG where everyone has to draw from the same pool?

Getting replaced by a cook, thats harsh. I knew Palpatine would get fed up fairly quickly from Anakin's constant Emo whining.

Ok, all the talk about the Sith, the Rule of Two, and Palpatine's very incessant manipulation of everyone whose initials werent Emperor Palpatine aside...

This comic cracked me up. Hilarious.
:D Very please.

Whiskey Echo!
Mythgraven

Ouch
<-

Onyx Oblivion:
Non-Wookies only...

AWWWW...

Sue for speciesism.

008Zulu:
Getting replaced by a cook, thats harsh. I knew Palpatine would get fed up fairly quickly from Anakin's constant Emo whining.

Vader: BUT PADME'S DEAD!

Palpatine: You!

The Janitor: Yeah?

Palpatine: STRIKE VADER DOWN AND TAKE HIS PLACE AT MY SIDE!

The Janitor: Can't, my life insurance doesn't cover lightsabers.

Vader: YOU MAKE MY WIFY COME BACK NOW! WAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

Palpatine: God #@!%it.

Always wondered what the turnover rate for Dark Lord of the Sith was...

Not G. Ivingname:

Vader: BUT PADME'S DEAD!

Palpatine: You!

The Janitor: Yeah?

Palpatine: STRIKE VADER DOWN AND TAKE HIS PLACE AT MY SIDE!

The Janitor: Can't, my life insurance doesn't cover lightsabers.

Vader: YOU MAKE MY WIFY COME BACK NOW! WAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

Palpatine: God #@!%it.

Palpatine would have better luck on eHarmony or Craig's list. His Facebook status probably reads: LF New Apprentice.

008Zulu:

Not G. Ivingname:

Vader: BUT PADME'S DEAD!

Palpatine: You!

The Janitor: Yeah?

Palpatine: STRIKE VADER DOWN AND TAKE HIS PLACE AT MY SIDE!

The Janitor: Can't, my life insurance doesn't cover lightsabers.

Vader: YOU MAKE MY WIFY COME BACK NOW! WAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

Palpatine: God #@!%it.

Palpatine would have better luck on eHarmony or Craig's list. His Facebook status probably reads: LF New Apprentice.

Lord Emp666: 1 Ned a n3w @pprent1nc3 m@n, Vadr 1s a w1ny br@t.

NotaSpy: Ok, I will take it, just give your address, my payment, benefits, and the Death Star's potential weaknesses.

Lord Emp66: 0k, PMing th3m to u.

Notaspy: Thanks.

Lord Emp66: Why d0 u ned to know the Deth Starr's we@kness?

NotaSpy has logged out

Lord Emp66: God #@%^it.

I'll stick with the Order, thanks.

These ceremonial combat robes are pretty fucking awesome. :D

Just to add to some of the fine geekery here, I believe Palpatine is constantly offering Vader's job because Vader is no longer capable of wielding the force as he once was. Obi-wan slicing and dicing him, wiped out a substantial portion of Vader's potential. Indeed, I seem to recall Vader can't even use force lightening because he's got machine parts.

In short Vader is weak, and in Sith terms, very replaceable because of it.

Gift.

quiet_samurai:

The whole "diluting the Force" thing has never been cannonized, it's not a bottle of booze, it doesn't ration itself.

And Revan never got the chance to actually implement the Rule of Two. He came up with the idea, but it was too late to make it so because by then he had a vast following of other Sith and apprentices under him. It was actually Darth Bane that followed the Rule first. It had nothing to do with access to the amount of "Force" available in the universe, but merely the knowledge/teachings of it. By nature the Sith code is doomed to fail with a vast number of followers; that's because a large number of apprentices can gang up on and outnumber a single master, and then make the most powerful of apprentices the new master. This is what is meant by diluting the force, because that one apprentice, although more powerful then the others, is not as powerful or knowledgable then the original master, thus losing any untaught wisdom or knowledge that he posessed forever.

Under the Rule of Two, the apprentice should only challenge their master once all of the said master's knowledge and wisdom has been passed along. If apprentice defeats master one on one then they are worthy of taking that mantle and then starting the process all over again, if they fail though, then they were never worthy of being a Sith in the first place. The Rule of Two simply exhists so the teaching of the dark side can live on at it's fullest possible potential. Darth Revan saw that eventually, but he was betrayed before he could make it so. Read Darth Bane: Path to Destruction, it is the main premise behind the Sith concept, and is actually a very entertaining read.

Okay, nerd rant done, that was fun. I'm going to go flirt with some cute co-workers now.

Best input so far.

Best Star Wars the Force Unleashed comic so far.

quiet_samurai:

The whole "diluting the Force" thing has never been cannonized, it's not a bottle of booze, it doesn't ration itself.

And Revan never got the chance to actually implement the Rule of Two. He came up with the idea, but it was too late to make it so because by then he had a vast following of other Sith and apprentices under him. It was actually Darth Bane that followed the Rule first. It had nothing to do with access to the amount of "Force" available in the universe, but merely the knowledge/teachings of it. By nature the Sith code is doomed to fail with a vast number of followers; that's because a large number of apprentices can gang up on and outnumber a single master, and then make the most powerful of apprentices the new master. This is what is meant by diluting the force, because that one apprentice, although more powerful then the others, is not as powerful or knowledgable then the original master, thus losing any untaught wisdom or knowledge that he posessed forever.

Under the Rule of Two, the apprentice should only challenge their master once all of the said master's knowledge and wisdom has been passed along. If apprentice defeats master one on one then they are worthy of taking that mantle and then starting the process all over again, if they fail though, then they were never worthy of being a Sith in the first place. The Rule of Two simply exhists so the teaching of the dark side can live on at it's fullest possible potential. Darth Revan saw that eventually, but he was betrayed before he could make it so. Read Darth Bane: Path to Destruction, it is the main premise behind the Sith concept, and is actually a very entertaining read.

Okay, nerd rant done, that was fun. I'm going to go flirt with some cute co-workers now.

^ This. There is only one Force. There isn't a Light Force for the Jedi, and a Dark one for the Sith. The choice of 'side' comes solely from within the user. If there is a limited supply, then its limited for every single Force wielder. The Sith don't get more power just cause there's only 2 of them.

there for it could be stated that if any single jedi or sith was channeling force from a global pool having more jedi might mean you channel it slower and fewer sith mean it comes to you faster...it may not be the force but how you channel it that matters. (a methodology versus resource point of view)

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