Don't Use the Word "Gamer"

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Very nice, Yahtzee. I'm a little surprised this didn't come about sooner.
Have a nice holiday.

I personally use the term 'gamer' to describe one who enjoys playing games and does so on a regular basis, and I feel that does a fairly good job of describing us.

As for the arguement of how we don't label other people by their preferred media, movie lovers? emos/goths/moshers/etc.? These are all people who's identity is centered around the media they enjoy and consume (the main thing that makes gamers unique in this form of naming is that we engage more actively in games that most others do in their media, it is more appropriate that we are named after it since it is something we are doing ourselves).

The people who draw the negetive conotations to the word 'gamer' are not only the ones who wear it like a badge of pride, but also those who see it as an insult or a form of segrigation (in otherwords, Mr. Croshaw himself), I am reminded of the issues surrounding use of the 'N word' (it started off as a racial slur, then people tried to turn it into a term of endearment only for this to fail and for it to remain as a racial slur because it is still treated as an 'exclusive word').

In other words, if you want the negetive imagery surrounding the word 'gamer' to disappear then we have to just accept it as a blank label, stop thinking that it's something to be proud (or ashamed) of and just treat it for what it is, a conveinient way of referring to someone who plays games, if we start emboldening it or censoring people who use it then the image problem we have is only going to get worse.

TWEWER:
We shouldn't call ourselves gamers because society has put a label on the word? I guess we shouldn't say we play video games for the same reason.

For instance, if I were to call myself an otaku people would look at me strangely. If/when I tell people that I watch anime I get equally weird looks.

The impression I got was that he has a problem (one that I share) with people who have created an identity for themselves centered around a hobby. It's as bad as calling yourself a cinemateur...cineman...cinemarshal?

Frankly, I'm not good enough at communication to put my own unease with that tendency into a clear and concise argument against it, but I think that's the gist of it.

I guess the closest I can come up with if you can't a. earn money with your knowledge and or skill at it, or aren't creating, building, and/or maintaining something with it, it's probably not a good idea to build your identity around it. Gaming is entertaining, but, well, it's unimportant.

Oh, right yeah, there was a context to the whole article that I just breezed over.

I play games, but I'm not a gamer.

It's pretty easy to understand without hammering your keyboard into an angry mixture of dust, sweat and bile...

I watch Star Trek but I'm not a Trekky, I ride a motorbike but I'm not a biker, I'm unemployed but I'm not a douche.

It's all too easy to pigeon-hole yourself or others when you attempt to boil down their personality in to one word. I'm not saying 'don't call yourself a gamer.' Feel free, but unless you add '...and I'm a...' at the end people will think that's all you do and are therefore overweight, hairy necked and carry about you a feint odour of milk.

Hmm. Interesting points. I will just mention that I have referred to myself as bibliophile before.

That may just mean that I'm a wanker though.

Well i somewhat agree.
The word has become a stereotypical label usually used in a negative context, yet who is to blame that it is used as such?
Is it the one who is being labeled or is it the one putting that label on another person?

In my idealistic view it should be the ones putting the labels on others that should change, not the ones being labeled.
And i certainly agree that people who label themselves as such are most to blame.

People who refuse to be a part of the standard flock and decide to create their own special flock are only making it worse for everyone.

Its abit like (and please don't hate me for saying so) gay people who cry rape and murder for being stigmatized and plea to be treated as normal humans (which they are in the first place), yet decide they need to hold a gay parade in the most extravagant possible way.

If you don't want to be labeled then you shouldn't shout from the rooftops for everyone to hear that you don't want to be labeled.
You'll only awaken more haters and likers to fuel the fire both ways, making the gap between both sides larger and the chance on conflic greater.

Sir John the Net Knight:
You know, I've put up with the self-important, narcissistic bullshit of a one Benjamin "Yahtzee" Croshaw for quite some time now. And though that is hardly a stretch for me, as I have been absorbing the anger and prejudice of the world's asshole population for a good three decades, I can no longer stand to have Yahtzee's own brand of verbal diarrhea being funneled into my ear canal any longer.

I put up with a lot of shit from people like Yahtzee over the years. But when you call Aerith Gainsborough a "flaky bint", you have stepped over the proverbial line. I have no more patience for you, Croshaw. Take your crybaby rants that you poorly disguise as legitimate reviews and stick them up your pasty, white tuchus. You really wanna know what the definition of the stereotypical asshole gamer that gives us all a bad name? Every morning you look at one in the mirror when you wake up. It's people like you that ruin this hobby for the rest of us.

And before you accuse me of the following. No, I do not own a body pillow or any other perverted anime crap. Though I'm sure you'll claim otherwise in next week's article.

Is this (relatively) clever Satire or are you serious? Sometimes difficult to pick up on.

If it's serious: 1: You don't have to watch or read anything by the author.
2: Someone's opinion about a character in a game is their own business.

I prefer to see gamers the way Jane McGonigal sees them.

The true dicks are "people on the internet that happens to be gamers".

While the term moviegoer is definitely marketing asshole shit, the term Film Buff is something that's a part of culture as much as Gamer is. The only difference is that Film Buff implies someone who is dedicated and knows about something people care about, people don't just latch onto the idea just to "be accepted" by a "group". It represents something, almost like a medal of accomplishment. "Gamer" has yet to reach that point popular in culture that "Film Buff" has, and probably won't for a good decade or four.

Of coarse if you're a charming and fun individual you can do your part to make your normal friends comfortable with the term and almost respect it. Steal it from the fat neckbeards of the world, eventually it will be the proud moniker it should be. What we should be thinking about instead is something to call the idiots referenced in this article. "Losers" has a nice ring to it.

Neat, now's my turn.

Won't complain about FF7. Never played it, can't bitch about how shitty Aerith was. So I won't criticize Sir John.

But I won't pretentiously say, "After reading this article, I won't use the word gamer anymore" saying either.

When I think about this, it reminds me of my racial issues of being "Asian" or how cool it is to have foreigner skin living in a different country, albeit that going off the road a bit. Still, I see this issue with a lot of Anime fandom with the notion that they "watch anime but like to listen to linkin park, watch arthouse films, and hang out with popular "NORMAL" peeps," which is just as pretentious as saying "I'm an Otaku who does nothing but sit in the dark and watch Anime."

The problem I have with "gamers," not talking about the word but the demographics, is that many of them don't realize the magnanimous potential that video games can offer as a medium. They can bitch and yell loud about how they can't beat a level in COD or MW and use complex finger dexterity or math skill in WOW or SC,while I yell about "hard" boss fights or complex issues in Odin Sphere or Cave Story. Most of these gamers just want short pop culture fun and thrills rather than breaking down the mechanics of what makes a game phenomenal.

So this is neither a appraisal or rebuttal to Yahtzee's article, but I can assure "most people who play video games" that he is worth your time.

PS: For realies, I also don't like the term "gamer," reminds me of my tosser friends I had. Like the "I play video games" mentality verus the "I'm a gamer."

i dont even use gamer i just say "i play me some vidz"

I feel this article was a bit pointless. Who cares what others think? You're afraid being a gamer carries a stereotype? EVERYTHING carries a stereotype.

Yes, I'm a gamer. It means I play videogames. It's a label, but not how I define myself. There are many other labels that apply to me too. None of them define me singularly.

If a person asks me what I am, I'm me. It's that simple.

Yahtzee Croshaw:
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Not all gamers are sweaty manchildren playing games in their parent's basement. Some of them are actually normal.

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all of us gaymers are bros, bros, though most are fat enough to kill me with the fat smell alone, i still love my bros very much.

Meh. Gamer I am, Gamer shall I remain. But hell, you've earned a nice vacation. Go relax somewhere cool.

Here's a thought: FF7 sucks. There, end the shit storm already.

As for the "flame mastah" Sir John the Net Knight:

Christ people this is fucking entertainment! As in things that we engage in to deviate from a doldrums-esque existence. Must we really argue about some stupid collection of pixels on a fucking cd?

Now then, as for the topic, this can go either way. "Gamer" has pretty much equaled the level of high school cliche, and yes it does warrant its stereotypes. All in all though, if you feel you like being labeled then by all means print pawn shop quality tee shirts that only read a witty slogan in black and white lettering on a plain black or white shirt. Hell put the slogan off center and slanted so it gives it an "artsy" look. Splatter ink onto it so it looks like you got into a fight with a malfunctioning printer and lost. Construct neon signs that would eventually become your second night light. (The first being the glow from your HD tv sets or computers, which you seem to never turn off.)

And if you don't, that's fine too. Go out and enjoy the pessimistic world in which we live. Go have sex with nameless hookers, go get drunk at frat parties. Go and work a meaningless job and come home to a few mediocre hours of an interactive game on the television. Rinse and repeat until you are six fucking feet under. All in all who cares what you label yourself.

This world is full of cookie cutter people all wanting to be better than everyone else. Why have an opinion? Because there's always some douche bag out there that will degrade you and tell you up front that you are wrong and they are right.

There, I hope you are happy now!

/rant

Sir John the Net Knight:
You know, I've put up with the self-important, narcissistic bullshit of a one Benjamin "Yahtzee" Croshaw for quite some time now. And though that is hardly a stretch for me, as I have been absorbing the anger and prejudice of the world's asshole population for a good three decades, I can no longer stand to have Yahtzee's own brand of verbal diarrhea being funneled into my ear canal any longer.

I put up with a lot of shit from people like Yahtzee over the years. But when you call Aerith Gainsborough a "flaky bint", you have stepped over the proverbial line. I have no more patience for you, Croshaw. Take your crybaby rants that you poorly disguise as legitimate reviews and stick them up your pasty, white tuchus. You really wanna know what the definition of the stereotypical asshole gamer that gives us all a bad name? Every morning you look at one in the mirror when you wake up. It's people like you that ruin this hobby for the rest of us.

And before you accuse me of the following. No, I do not own a body pillow or any other perverted anime crap. Though I'm sure you'll claim otherwise in next week's article.

May i be the first to point out: you.read.the.article. It was 2 pages long, and you hate Yahtzee with a passion, yet you still read the whole thing. Your bile is thoroughly unjustified as long as you brought it on yourself.

OT: IMA GAMER, HEAR ME WHINE. Catchy, i like it. Also, i'm a gamer. Burn, Yahtzee.

I might be one of a million people to say this but while I agree with some of the negative connotations of gamer, I don't think we are to the point as a society were we can eliminate it. Until gamers are not in the minority, we need a term to refer to our still rather unusual hobby. Not even the power of Yahtzee's snarky wit and spiffy hat can make a term cease to exist before its time. Good luck trying though.

Sir John the Net Knight:

evilthecat:
Flaws of aeris:

1. She's unecessarily 'speshul'. The whole 'last of the ancients' thing basically comes down to 'unique without actually having to bother with any character development'.

2. Her 'personality' (for want of a better word) is a series of cutsey/moe stereotypes. She has no real complexity and just bounces between being offensively sweet and upbeat and ramming her 'targic' history in our faces in an effort to gain our sympathy.

3. The game actively attempts to force you to like her (generally by ramming home that all the other characters do), which is fucking irritating in light of the above.

Okay, so final fantasy characters don't tend to be that good.. but really, she's not even a good specimen of the breed.

1. Yes, overused plot-point. I'll give you that, but not much of it. It worked for Luke Skywalker.

2. And I fail to see how that is a bad thing when presented against a cast of dribbling depressives and half-ass comic relief.

3. I don't follow you on this one. It makes no sense. Yeah, all the other characters like her. Yet you present this as a flaw?

Yeah, Final Fantasy has a lot of bad characters. Quina, Yuffie, TEE-DUS, Anyone from FFXI. But uh, nope I don't see how you've proven to me Aerith is bad.

The reason it's a flaw as far as the other poster is concerned is that they don't make Aeris a character you feel you can associate with or like, with any kind of depth, but you spend the entire game hearing from the other characters how great she is.
Then she dies, and this is the number one most common videogame moment that people use to "prove" videogames are art, or can have an emotional impact.
Search for any "what videogames have made you cry?" thread anywhere and FFVII comes up in the opening post nine times out of ten.

As someone who hasn't played FFVII and has no intention of doing so, I'm frankly a bit tired of hearing about it.

Frankly I think Final Fantasy games and the characters within are all pretty worthless.

Hey, have fun, man. Glad to hear the bar is doing well, and that there's the potential for more venues. If it gets to the point of international expansion, or franchising, whatever the case may be, I would say that there should be some target cities that could do really well. Cities where multiple gaming companies like to reside, like the Durham NC circuit, or Austin Texas, where the bars might have a chance to chat up members of the companies for some interesting opportunities/giveaways/swag deals, things like that.

The only way the term gamer will disappear is when it is normal for you to start a conversation with someone by saying something like, "Oh did you play that new game that just came out?" The same way you would talk about a movie or sports. Don't get me wrong, this is happening already, but I would give it a few more years.

So what are we supposed to call ourselves? Normal people? Not that it wouldnt be great if everyone in the world loved video games but there are so many people who just don't give half a damn about them. And all you describe are the fat ass smelly people who lock themselves away in their mother's basement to play wow or something, perhaps you are forgetting about the absolute fags you can meet on xbox live who seem to have only recently discovered swearing and are determined to make proficient use of it. This stereotype hits home much harder for me because I'm not an MMORPG fan and even though I don't like being grouped with them, that's just what society does. It's not for us to decide what people call us, it's just the way it is.

I'm a gamer. I've had to deal with much stronger social stigmas in my life, so it's no big deal to me. But hey, I don't want to be normal.

More accurately, I don't want to conform for the sake of conformity.

I'm not an anime lover, I don't fetishise Japan. Nothing about me screams "gamer." "Artist," perhaps, but we're allowed eccentricity. I can socialise, deal with people on a professional level, and hold down a standard job. And if I get a weird look when I get called a gamer, get told I don't look like one of "those people," so be it.

I'm not "proud" to be a gamer, any more than I'm proud to be on the internet or a mobile phone user. But I'm not going to be ashamed of the activity, or scared enough to try and redefine the terms to escape the prejudices.

A gamer is a person who is good at certain types of games, mainly those that require a bit of skill or patience to be good at. For example you can call yourself a gamer if you have a max level wow character of if you can do a 360 headshot in mw2 however you can not refer to yourself as such for playing casual or just plain stupid games.

Thus calling yourself a gamer just means that you consider yourself sufficiently "pro" at any number of games that you can impress other people by playing.

Also there is no difference between gamer and hardcore-gamer, the correct term for a "gamer" that isn't that much into video-games is "casual gamer".

As for valid and constructive arguments to support my theory:
1. I am Batman.
2. Batman is ALWAYS right.
3. Therefore my thesis is correct

Okay but what if you don't have a job and are a worthless good for nothing (for society anyway) who spends most of their time playing video games. What do you call your self then? *Dies a little inside.*

I included something along the lines of

being a self confessed "gamer"...

In my university application, not only did I get a place on the course (in a year where thousands of students have been rejected lots of whom have better grades than me) I was involved in a half-hour discussion with several of the lecturers on interesting uses for and things relating too gaming.

Including but not limited to chess openings and how one lecturers brother is a borderline WOW addict.

Sorry Yhatzee, I do see where you are coming from, but to my mind and the minds of the lecturers it would appear gaming is more than just a hobby, It is a mindset you can apply to anything.

Pattern recognition, development of tactics on the fly the ability to analyze and improve on other peoples recommended strategies are all common "Gamer" traits be the game chess or halo.

You can take the game away from the gamer but you won't stop him finding or making a new one.

Sir John the Net Knight:
You know, I've put up with the self-important, narcissistic bullshit of a one Benjamin "Yahtzee" Croshaw for quite some time now. And though that is hardly a stretch for me, as I have been absorbing the anger and prejudice of the world's asshole population for a good three decades, I can no longer stand to have Yahtzee's own brand of verbal diarrhea being funneled into my ear canal any longer.

I put up with a lot of shit from people like Yahtzee over the years. But when you call Aerith Gainsborough a "flaky bint", you have stepped over the proverbial line. I have no more patience for you, Croshaw. Take your crybaby rants that you poorly disguise as legitimate reviews and stick them up your pasty, white tuchus. You really wanna know what the definition of the stereotypical asshole gamer that gives us all a bad name? Every morning you look at one in the mirror when you wake up. It's people like you that ruin this hobby for the rest of us.

And before you accuse me of the following. No, I do not own a body pillow or any other perverted anime crap. Though I'm sure you'll claim otherwise in next week's article.

You acted like someone is forcing you to listen to him. Its like complaining that your bleeding when your stabbing yourself with a knife.

I would totally buy an F. Scott Fitzgerald-themed t-shirt.

/completelymissingthepoint/

I think "Masters/Users of Interactive Media" will suffice. Hmm... MIM or UIM.

Disguises the word a little bit and can also be applied in other mediums of entertainment.

I really wonder what Yahtzee's definition of 'normal' is...normal doesn't exist. It's simply a concept we've made to explain what we SHOULD be, rather then what we WANT to be. Pinholing yourself into the category of 'normal' means nothing. Normal by who's standards? Your own? Your friends'? Society's? (god that made me sound like some punk douchebag...) Seriously, if you think 'gamer' is a stereotype, 'normal' fits that just as well. In the end, we're all freaks in the freak kingdom.

Maybe we should stop associating all our problems with words and actually get down to the root of the problem with the 'gamer population', rather then pull the ol' "*insert offensive slur here* is BAD* technique. I think that focusing on the limited social development of the gamers that give us a bad name would be far more useful then saying 'this word gives us a bad image'. No, no it does not, some people who are associated with it do, changing the word does nothing.

Also, with the way games are attacked in the media, is it hardly a surprise that gamers attempt to create a collective group? They're being defensive over their passion (sometimes in a horribly immature way, mind you). Without gamer generated political blocs and movements the gaming world would be an entirely different, and quite possibly, a heavily censored medium. I would assume that Mr. Croshaw, who once lived under the reign of Fuhrer Atkinson, would understand that, but no.

Yes, I believe the other stereotype about gamers is that they're skinny narcissistic nerds that hate everyone. We wouldn't happen to know anyone that fits that description, would we now, Yahtzee. Honestly, I was fine with the article, I prefer calling myself a nerd anyways then being defined by just the gaming. Which I do quite more then you but in your little blurb near the end there. I think i'm just annoyed that when you say "fat, sweaty, and neckbearded." That more or less describes me appearance wise. Although, I'm generally not all that sweaty and I do shave the neck beard to give myself a regular beard but that is beside the point.

no matter how much time you spend watching movies, your ability to watch movies will not increase greatly. I agree that for people how just spend some spare time playing games the usage of the word might be a little overstretched, but for those who literally pour their lives into their passion it deserves a different magnitude of how closely you identify yourself with what you do.

for example, if someone casually plays cricket one could call them a person who plays cricket or a cricket player, but if almost every day is like one great big cricket oriented rocky style montage then i would say they have good justification to identify as "cricketers".

PS, i remember reading somewhere that an 80 year old woman plays like 8 hours of video games a day, they called her hardcore granny.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW YEEEEEEEAAAH!.

I don't think I've ever called myself a gamer, to the best of my memory, but fat lot of good that does me, my memory is like Swiss cheese.
Anyway, I like to think that I already approach talking about games like this.

I ask people "what games do you play" not "are you a gamer", though that might be because I couldn't be bothered with labels for myself and as an extension of that, I couldn't be bothered labelling the outside world.
To lazy to label? You better believe it!

Sir John the Net Knight:
I put up with a lot of shit from people like Yahtzee over the years. But when you call Aerith Gainsborough a "flaky bint", you have stepped over the proverbial line.

Didn't he say in the article that he placed that there just to troll the knee-jerk reactionaries that he was talking about?
Not to insult yourself here, but I do believe that was his stated reason.

HEY!! I DEMMAND YOU TO PUT A VIDEO!!! I AM PAYING THIS SITE TO SEE YOUR VIDEOS ON HQ!!!

yeah...

also, funny how everyone avoided "aeris" thingy... too creepy to be true...

Yahtzee Croshaw:
Extra Punctuation: Don't Use the Word "Gamer"

Not all gamers are sweaty manchildren playing games in their parent's basement. Some of them are actually normal.

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"Gamer" simply identifies a gaming enthusiast and its the perfect word for the job and certainly less of a mouthful than "gaming enthusiast".. or would you rather we pretended we're something we're not?
Who wants to "fit in" and be "normal" anyway, I've seen those "normal" assholes and they can keep it.

The point I'm trying to reach is that playing games, as entertaining and fascinating and beneficial as it might be, is just something people do, not something they should be defined by. People don't call themselves moviegoers, or TV watchers, or book readers. That's the job of marketing agencies.

Yhatzee, I'm sorry and I hope you don't mind me saying this but you're a dick. Bookworms, film buffs do exist and they do self identify, and well they should. These forms of media (gaming too) are major parts of of the art and culture of our society today. To be a part of that, even if only as a consumer and aficionado is something to be proud of.

I am a Gamer.

Hey, I thought Yahtzee was on holiday.

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