Preview: Fable 3

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Preview: Fable 3

Fable 3 solves a problem you may not even have realized its predecessors had.

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...But will it be like Overlord 2? While it's cool to have a sanctuary instead of menus to control everything but after awhile could it just become a frustrating chore of going form Point A to point B to Point C (With travel time going between these points, mind you) to do those menial tasks which you feel 'need to be done' but seem to be nothing but a bother.

oh god i hope they fix the economy, before i was even half way through the game I had gotten everything save the last building in the game. It was crazy I was a millionare who used my gold to max out my character, yup i purchased exp potions because money was so pointless in the game.

Gather:
...But will it be like Overlord 2?...after awhile could it just become a frustrating chore of going form Point A to point B to Point C (With travel time going between these points, mind you) to do those menial tasks which you feel 'need to be done' but seem to be nothing but a bother.

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But thats what Fable 2 was.

When you weigh your options, it was always better to just horde your cash and spend what you earn rather than "invest" in homes and shops with garbage profits (unless you planned on playing this game A LOT, but in reality, the storyline is quite short). The upgrades were trivial and better weapons could often be acquired naturally over the course of the game.

As for Point A to Point B...how about the fact that when you arrived at Point B, you were made to run around killing more crap because you didn't have enough "renown" to continue?

John Cleese is in it.

I'm glad to hear that I'll be hearing him a fair bit as I run around changing clothes.

hansari:

Gather:
...But will it be like Overlord 2?...after awhile could it just become a frustrating chore of going form Point A to point B to Point C (With travel time going between these points, mind you) to do those menial tasks which you feel 'need to be done' but seem to be nothing but a bother.

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But thats what Fable 2 was.

Not really; when I say like Overlord 2 I meant in relation to the menus. Overlord 2 had the same idea; reduce menu's and instead put it all into a cool fort thing so in order to, say, change your weapon you had to go from one side of the sanctuary into a completely different one. Then, you want to change your appearance so you go from that area of the sanctuary to the clothing changing one (Which could be on the other side of your sanctuary) and finally to get into the action you sit on your throne and listen to the next guy who has a problem.

The Menu's in Fable 2 was not like that. I guess I should have said something about the replacement of menu's though; not gameplay.

Stiiiilll can't wait to play it.

Damn... Peter Molyneux is undoubtedly one of the best salesmen in the business of salespeople...
the elimination of experience sounded like shit... now it has this, now im interested
the elimination of menus sounded like shit... now they have a special world to substitute for it? now im interested.

really, this sounds AMAZING, and i loved Fable 2, but I'd like to feel more like a badass who makes tough decisions in Fable 3 (i think they're starting to lean more towards Sandbox instead of RPG... which might be cool)

Onyx Oblivion:
John Cleese is in it.

I'm glad to hear that I'll be hearing him a fair bit as I run around changing clothes.

And Johathan Ross, and Stephen Fry, and Sir Ben Kingsley, and Simon Pegg!

Do we still have no release date for the PC version? =\ Anyway, my hype level is set to 0 for this, I know very little about it so hopefully it will surprise me. I see armor in that screenshot which is encouraging. I was devastated they removed all the awesome armor sets that affected your alignment and made you look like a mad cunt.

Gather:
...But will it be like Overlord 2? While it's cool to have a sanctuary instead of menus to control everything but after awhile could it just become a frustrating chore of going form Point A to point B to Point C (With travel time going between these points, mind you) to do those menial tasks which you feel 'need to be done' but seem to be nothing but a bother.

The Sanctuary fills with stuff automatically as you play the game. You don't actually fix it up, it just fixes up on its own. Find a hammer, it gets added to your armory. Buy an outfit, it'll be on a mannequin the next time you visit. And there's no time between point A and B in the Sanctuary. It's not a huge, sprawling location, just a small, orderly space.

Will a little message still pop up whenever I buy something informing me I bought something? The way I see it having menus isn't the problem. The problem in Fable 2 was horrid load times and not being able to drink/eat more than one thing at a time. Also I seem to recall the menu wouldn't remember where you were, so you had to scroll through the whole list over and over. They didn't have to scrap the whole thing, I have the feeling all this will just add more load time and frustration somehow.

Didn't they already do the whole "location as a menu" in Black and White?

Wasn't it annoying and confusing?

Am I remembering this wrong?

Gather:

hansari:

Gather:
...But will it be like Overlord 2?...after awhile could it just become a frustrating chore of going form Point A to point B to Point C (With travel time going between these points, mind you) to do those menial tasks which you feel 'need to be done' but seem to be nothing but a bother.

...

But thats what Fable 2 was.

Not really; when I say like Overlord 2 I meant in relation to the menus. Overlord 2 had the same idea; reduce menu's and instead put it all into a cool fort thing so in order to, say, change your weapon you had to go from one side of the sanctuary into a completely different one. Then, you want to change your appearance so you go from that area of the sanctuary to the clothing changing one (Which could be on the other side of your sanctuary) and finally to get into the action you sit on your throne and listen to the next guy who has a problem.

The Menu's in Fable 2 was not like that. I guess I should have said something about the replacement of menu's though; not gameplay.

True, but I think the problem with Overlord 2 was that it put all the stuff (minion homes, forge, building yard, etc, etc) in seperate, large environments that could not be quickly loaded, or had an annoyingly slow animation to get you there. HOpefully, Fable 3 uses either single, small rooms, or a single large room with everything in it for the Fable 3 'inventory'.

Either way, it is a good idea when it works - even in Overlord 2, I felt it was a much more interesting way to look at my stuff, but the loading/transport time between maps was just too damn long, and the amount of walking around you needed to do in the minion-lair area was just too much.

Fr]anc[is:
Will a little message still pop up whenever I buy something informing me I bought something? The way I see it having menus isn't the problem. The problem in Fable 2 was horrid load times and not being able to drink/eat more than one thing at a time. Also I seem to recall the menu wouldn't remember where you were, so you had to scroll through the whole list over and over. They didn't have to scrap the whole thing, I have the feeling all this will just add more load time and frustration somehow.

The Sanctuary is a breeze. Seriously. There are still wicked load times during actual gameplay, like when you move from one geographic area to the other, but navigating through your Sanctuary is almost entirely stress-free. A few quirks, no question, but I was shocked by its elegant usefulness.

Susan Arendt:
The Sanctuary is a breeze. Seriously. There are still wicked load times during actual gameplay, like when you move from one geographic area to the other, but navigating through your Sanctuary is almost entirely stress-free. A few quirks, no question, but I was shocked by its elegant usefulness.

Forgive me, I wasn't skeptical of you personally, I was skeptical of Peter ;p Were you playing the PC or xbox? This interface sounds wonderful for PC, just point at what you want. But when I first read it I thought you would still have to 'scroll' through all the choices, a prettier menu perhaps, but still a menu, if that makes any sense at all. I'm probably just splitting hairs here now. Good article btw :D

I can only hope the ending is better

Zing:

Onyx Oblivion:
John Cleese is in it.

I'm glad to hear that I'll be hearing him a fair bit as I run around changing clothes.

And Johathan Ross, and Stephen Fry, and Sir Ben Kingsley, and Simon Pegg!

I was sold when I saw Stephen Fry.
OT: Cool I WILL buy it now.
For several reasons.
Stephen Fry is a legend...

It all starts with the Hero's Sanctuary, a 3D representation of all the information you used to access from the pause menu. The Sanctuary is a suite of rooms, each with a different purpose - head down one hallway to browse through all of the weapons in your armory, or enter another hallway to peruse the trophies you've mounted on the walls.
[SNIP]
At the center of the Sancturary lies your map, yet another clever way to communicate dozens of bits of information without forcing you to flip through menus.

Wait, so it's exactly the same as the awkward, overblown temple from Black & White? Well, if that is the case, hopefully it won't have the same annoying labelling problem that frequently led to mutters of "cock, wrong room" and having to go back.

OT: I refuse to get excited about this game. I just flat-out refuse. I won't let you hurt me again, Peter!

Anybody ever play the old SNES game Terranigma?
That also had basically the exact same setup as this new Hero's Sanctuary thing.
The character had a magic box he dove into, inside of which was rooms dedicated to all your stuff, books for combat tips, and a mirror to look at your stats.

...Of course, that wasn't in 3-D, so it was basically just a different-looking menu as opposed to something interactive.

Huzzah for Susan for giving out this preview!

Either way, I will be getting this game and just play it until it's severely scratched or something. No matter how 'limiting' it actually is with free-roam and all that, I love the atmopshere and the feeling it conveys. It's dark but always has British Humour soaked into every aspect of it.

The sanctuary seems like a good idea, but I am a sucker for anything fable related. What I really hope for is better clothing options like armor and not regular clothes.

The problem with doign away with menus entirely is that it trends towards simplification in all the aspects menus touch on (IE invisible war, bioshock, doom 3, others).

But the spell blending sounds terrific, perhaps THIS time it will be reasonable to be a mage?
Fable one's magic was diverse, but difficult to utilize and enhance, and fable 2's magic was stupid (summon undead FROGS?!) for the most part, time manipulation + guns notwithstanding.

This article sounds so positive and hopeful, but to me the idea of walking around a 3D sanctuary just to put on clothes and whatnot sounds like a clunky waste of time. And lumping all exp in guild seals? Does Lionhead really deserve a pat on the back for that? It's not exactly innovative, seeing as like 99% of games that are based on experience points only have one form of exp.

Nothing about that menu system sounds appealing. Why would I want to run around inside an imaginary fort just to equip a different sword slightly shinier than the one that didn't stop the monster, currently in the act of pounding my face in, from doing so. If anyone knows about the xzibit meme this reminds me of that( Yo dawg I put walking around in yo walking around, so you can be bored while you're bored =D)

Also it's not the anticipation of the franchise's strengths that amplify the game's weaknesses. It's the fact that they tell you about all this cool crap they're going to put in and then don't deliver on half of it. Hell the stuff in Fable 2 is pretty much what they promised in Fable 1. And they still left stuff out of Fable 2. Does anybody else remember those videos of Molyneux playing Fable 2 and kicking baddies against a wall before impaling them with his sword ? Saying that there were going to be several "kill" moves such as that, each one being different based on the surrounding environment, and in the end it was just a generic finishing blow delivered to anyone laying on his back ? No ? Oh right I forgot about their wonderful PR department.

I'm looking forward to it.

Please say we don't have to stick to carrots, celery and tofu if we don't want our characters to be fat. Running for miles across open countryside, swinging heavy swords through the air, casting spell upon spell - I really can't have the occasional blueberry pie without turning into a blimp?

I know it's Fable and all, but I was hoping the story would get some work. The mention in the article was brief, but it sounds like your brother the tyrant is going to be another Lord Lucien: dastardly eeeevil, and stupidly so, for no reason other than being evil. *Yawn*

Uhm... i actually knew of the Problem and i know plenty of others who also knew of it. ^.^

Need to rez my 360....Im excited....also Rifle is badass...

More rubbish don't beleive anything about a fable game until you play it yourself.

though i have no intrest in play fable 3, fable 2 was such a bad game i don't even care about the third. Much rather watch paint dry then play anymore fable.

So Fable 3 is good, but not perfect....I can live with that.

I can't wait for this, along w/ the 'Lair of the Shadow Broker' DLC. Buuuuuut, since my system red ringed (thanks to my idiot younger brother) I guess I have to wait.

I can't wait for this game!

I've been thinking about picking this up when it comes out, articles like this are quite helpful in that decision. Looking more and more like I'll be getting this.

If they can just fix the economy. Make the townsfolk a bit more believable and less hive minded. Bring back Stealth (from the first Fable). And make the Magic system more intuitive and less Over powered then I think Fable III will be better then the first two. (Fable: The Lost Chapters still is better then Fable II in my book)

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