Zero Punctuation: Video Game Voters Network

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megamanenm:
Not American here so can't help you. When the hell will the anti-video game thing fade away like all the other anti-stuffs before?

Took about 40-50 years for film, so, yeah.

Not American, but keep fighting the good fight you Yankee madmen. Video games are demonized by useless politicians for quicky votes, if gamers become a politically active voting block, politicians will have to think twice before trying to jam unethical legislation down your throats.

k-ossuburb:
I live in Britain, but I support the cause nontheless since the American market is a massive chunk of the gaming industry so whatever happens there will affect me here in big ways.

If there's anything I can do could someone quote/reply to this and let me know, please?

Uhm... but you know that the UK (with most of the rest of Europe and other large parts of the world like Australia and Japan) already have said laws for both games and movies in effect right now (and they're still producing "violent video games" in most of those countries btw.)?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Board_of_Film_Classification
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_European_Game_Information#Where_PEGI_is_used
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Film_and_Literature_Classification_(Australia)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unterhaltungssoftware_Selbstkontrolle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Entertainment_Rating_Organization

It's like every time US citizens throw a hissy fit whenever there's talk about strenghtening gun laws to be more on par with the rest of the civilized world (with the same defense of it being "unconstitutional" even) and the gun lobbies start "campaigns" and empty their deep pockets a little to help...

What i find hilarious is that the one accusing videogames of being violent is Arnold Schwarzenegger

ABOUT DAMN TIME!!!

I actually plan on one day (when im of legal age to run for national office, fucking agism) running on a pro gamer platform, Im good at getting elected to things :D

GeneticallyModifiedDucks:
I was not expecting this. I wish I could help but I'm not American. Still the more coverage this gets the more optimistic we can be about our medium's future. So, basically, GO YAHTZEE!

^This. Considering America is such a huge market and a large part of the video game industry, why isn't there (or if there is, could we spread knowledge about that too? or just quote me so I can do my bit at least?) an organization that allows non-Americans to vote against this case? This isn't just an American issue, it's a world issue regarding an entire medium :\

That said, thank you Yahtzee for making this episode to help raise awareness, although I wish you noted a part to refute all that "but I'm Brittish and shit works like that over here anyway" and similar posts. People don't understand how wonderful (and fucked) American justice system is.

I think having a link to the site in the video description would have helped...

Anyways, going there now.

Edit: A link for the lazy people out there: http://www.videogamevoters.org/

Out of interest (I fully support the sentiment), if video games start getting banned etc in America, does that not mean the industry will just move elsewhere, such as Europe, and produce them there? And like, Americans could only get them on illegal import?

A video game lobby...awesome.

I'm voting for the next candidate that is accused of being bought out by "Big Video Game"

RatRace123:

AnneSQF:
I have looked at the site and it is looking good. Great of you to mention it. But I'm 16 and not American so I wish you the best of luck.

By the way: Is video game violent a big problem in Europe? Here in Denmark we don't hear anything about it, what's up in the other countries?

Here in America, video game violence seems to be a biggest threat to children ever.
Video games will turn every child into a psychopathic satanist... at least that's what the kneejerk dumbass brigade believes.

Yeah, I know. I follow American politics a lot because... our own politic are so goddamn boring.
Sorry to say it but... America; crazy place. Good luck with that XD Just kidding.

I would join if i was an american...
Ohh well..

Well, I'd love to help but I'm Canadian and hockey season is starting, and generally we don't care too much how badly American government screws it's people over. Except in this case, which can have some wider effects... but, again, can't vote since I'm not a yankee.

Anyway, good to see Yahtzee spreading the word.

I think the reason games are being targetted in such a way as they are is down to the fact they are consciously driven by the actions of an individual. In other creative mediums you are a "viewer" taken for a ride on a set path and not a "player" influencing the eventual outcomes. Does it have any real bearing on the psychological effects of a person over that of say, a violent movie? I have no idea.

Personally though, I doubt it matters. If a person is pre-dispositioned to unacceptable behaviour something will set them off eventually. Demonizing games will solve nothing and it's up to parents of minors and mature individuals to guage what is acceptable. Censorship really is going too far. Gah... so annoyed... >.<

I've never had an account on the escapist, but I've created one in response to this video.

While it is true that video games are often targeted for criticism by the "mainstream media" and that something should be done, this is not the way to do it. I used to be on these guys' emailing list, until I got suspicious of some of their supposed legislation. Then I looked them up, searching "video game voters network wiki" on google, thinking if they would have a wikipedia page.

The second link down is this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing

In the business examples section, you will find a paragraph about how this organization was created by the video game manufacturers themselves, and how the ESA defended this "organization" against claims of astroturfing, when, if you think about it, they have no reason to do so.

rembrandtqeinstein mentioned it above, but it seems no one has paid him any mind.

I have a question: Is there any point for a non-American to sign up or should I wait till someone tries to pass a similar law in my country.

That probably won't happen by the way, since papers and politicians here tend to think that if you ignore videogames long enough it will eventually go away.

I was wondering if you people could inform me a little bit (or at the very least point me towards self-informing).

The whole effort seems largely USA focused and I as a non-citizen feel I have limited rights to influence US law. Is the "threat" just (or mostly) present in the US or have there been attempts by, for example, European legislators to ban or restrict the distribution of video games?

Voice raised, part done, cookie requested!

Darby:
Stayed up until TWO O'CLOCK Australian time to watch this! What a great idea. I'm just insanely relieved that Yahtzee wasn't announcing the end of the series, and subsequently my life. *PHEW!*

I know that's hyperbole, but still, if Yahtzee's videos are the biggest part of your life, that's just sad.

well, since Yahtzee and Daniel Floyd and cp. have said so, I'm gonna sign up n' shit

I was with Yahtzee up until he mentioned free speech. Only stupid Americans pretend they have free speech anymore and even then they can all see they don't, it's just in their constitution.

Free speech is something that on paper sounded like a good idea, but in practice really doesn't work and just has unfortunate consequences for people who try to exercise it.

You know what else sounded like a good idea on paper but in practice really doesn't work and just has unfortunate consequences for people who try to exercise it? Communism. Athankyew.

Dexter111:
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What he said. Although I'm somewhat confused by all this; the upcoming case is for the prevention of the sale of violent/mature games to minors. In the UK you can't sell violent films to minors but nobody really cares. How does it affect my little brother's right to the freedom of speech if he's not allowed to watch torture porn at the age of twelve?

Greatest yahtzee vid EVER!

Ah, waiting for them to die of old age. I recall bringing that up recently from time to time haha.

Dexter111:
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As much as I am aware that there is already a rating system in place here in the U.K. the situation with the U.S. is a lot different because this has the potential to effectively kill the gaming industry by only letting the "safe" games through the censors.

Extra Credits put it better than I ever could, check their video out if you haven't already as to why it's important for us to take action in any way we can.

I've already spread the word to other people on my blog and social networking sites but if you know a way I can physically help, please let me know. Is there a movement like this in the U.K. I can sign up for? Any advice will be appreciated, thanks.

This topic? Again? Ok, here we go...

I'm not particularly fuzzed about this whole Supreme Court thing. They want to make sure that little kids don't have access to games that may possibly harm their development (words fail me here - I'm German). Over here in Germany it's been like that for years now and it the world still exists. You can still get pretty much any game you want - if you're old enough, of course.

It's more of a problem that shops like Walmart don't sell AO games IMO. That's one of the major reasons why producers have to adjust their games to make sure they fit an M rating... Maybe that will change when the kids are out of the way though - who knows?

TBH - i'm sick of all the cool kids crying wolf...

Nice little speech, Uncle Sam ;)

Heh! You tell em Yahtzee! Fantastic PSA!

Between ZP and EC, the entire website must be mobilized by now.

Will do my part after work!

rembrandtqeinstein:
Not to crap in anyone's danish but the bankroll behind the VGVN is the ESA which is the lobbying arm of the game publishers.

The ESA is responsible for propaganda abortions like http://www.jointhecteam.com/ with complete bullshit statements like "natural connection between copyright and creativity" The purpose of the propaganda is to indoctrinate kids into the notion that copyright infringement is the same as plagiarism.

So while the VGVN appears to be a pro freedom you can bet the ESA would support a draconian three-strikes law similar to what France just passed: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/09/24/0942227/In-France-Hadopi-Reporting-Begins-With-Only-10000-IP-Addresses-Per-Day

Damn, you hit it out of the park with this. Here's a paragraph that basically tells kids it's ok to use others work in school without permission, but nowhere else. Which renders things such as reviews and even articles in the newspaper as illegal (by their standards):

Quote from jointhecteam.com:
"Conclude this class discussion by reminding
students that the special rules for respecting
intellectual property in school don't apply outside
the classroom. Students are allowed to copy short
passages of copyrighted text, individual
copyrighted images, and excerpts from other
copyrighted material in their school work, as long
as they credit their sources. This is called "fair
use." But no one is allowed to copy copyrighted
material outside the classroom for any reason
without getting permission"

People who create the works in question would love that because they could pick and choose who reviews or reports on the item in question, usually (hell, always) to those who give favorable reports.

Mr. Crowshaw uses his celebrity status for good... *cough* sellout *cough* (kidding)

Though I don't live in America (Hell, as far as I know my country's government isn't aware games exist), good luck to all those who are going to vote! Hopefully that rediculous law doesn't get passed...

A lot of people here don't actually live in america but it wouldn't hurt to see what happens if you throw your hat in. After all if they stop making games for americans to play most likely all the other countries won't get those games either.

RowdyRodimus:

rembrandtqeinstein:
Not to crap in anyone's danish but the bankroll behind the VGVN is the ESA which is the lobbying arm of the game publishers.

The ESA is responsible for propaganda abortions like http://www.jointhecteam.com/ with complete bullshit statements like "natural connection between copyright and creativity" The purpose of the propaganda is to indoctrinate kids into the notion that copyright infringement is the same as plagiarism.

So while the VGVN appears to be a pro freedom you can bet the ESA would support a draconian three-strikes law similar to what France just passed: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/09/24/0942227/In-France-Hadopi-Reporting-Begins-With-Only-10000-IP-Addresses-Per-Day

Damn, you hit it out of the park with this. Here's a paragraph that basically tells kids it's ok to use others work in school without permission, but nowhere else. Which renders things such as reviews and even articles in the newspaper as illegal (by their standards):

Quote from jointhecteam.com:
"Conclude this class discussion by reminding
students that the special rules for respecting
intellectual property in school don't apply outside
the classroom. Students are allowed to copy short
passages of copyrighted text, individual
copyrighted images, and excerpts from other
copyrighted material in their school work, as long
as they credit their sources. This is called "fair
use." But no one is allowed to copy copyrighted
material outside the classroom for any reason
without getting permission"

People who create the works in question would love that because they could pick and choose who reviews or reports on the item in question, usually (hell, always) to those who give favorable reports.

Can't we save games first and then handle that? I don't like dealing with two big issues at once makes my brain all hot in a bad way.

i think if they somehow won there would be a restiance force to fight agaisnt them for videogames. now where do i sign up

rembrandtqeinstein:
Not to crap in anyone's danish but the bankroll behind the VGVN is the ESA which is the lobbying arm of the game publishers.

The ESA is responsible for propaganda abortions like http://www.jointhecteam.com/ with complete bullshit statements like "natural connection between copyright and creativity" The purpose of the propaganda is to indoctrinate kids into the notion that copyright infringement is the same as plagiarism.

So while the VGVN appears to be a pro freedom you can bet the ESA would support a draconian three-strikes law similar to what France just passed: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/09/24/0942227/In-France-Hadopi-Reporting-Begins-With-Only-10000-IP-Addresses-Per-Day

That was a minor shit in my danish, but it doesn't mean that they can't do any good in this case.

AnneSQF:
I have looked at the site and it is looking good. Great of you to mention it. But I'm 16 and not American so I wish you the best of luck.

By the way: Is video game violent a big problem in Europe? Here in Denmark we don't hear anything about it, what's up in the other countries?

well i do remember germany attempting to ban violent video games and crytek threaten to close down their german studio there

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