Your Favorite Game Sucks

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Your Favorite Game Sucks

Despite popular opinion, you don't need to have played a game to hate it.

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THANK YOU.

This needed to be said.

Totally agree - Justices my hate of aloto f games...especilly in he racing genre

But on the other hand, recklessly broadcasting an opinion about something you haven't tried can be unnecessarily damaging to a products reputation. Its okay to have an opinion on something, but blurting out you don't like it in a forum only to reveal you haven't actually tried it is understandably going to be met with hostility by those who do like it. So yes, it is healthy to have an uninformed opinion, otherwise you'll get burned by purchases you simply won't like, but mindlessly yelling about it at those who do like it over an internet forum is not going to lead to many decent arguments.

Yes, this certainly needed to be said.

jebussaves88:
Its okay to have an opinion on something, but blurting out you don't like it in a forum only to reveal you haven't actually tried it is understandably going to be met with hostility by those who do like it.

This is the problem. There is no reason for hostility. I LOVE me some ice cream, but if somebody says that ice cream sucks I don't get all angry and confrontational. There is simply no reason.

Legitimate Reasons Why you shouldn't to be a complete dick over someone's "OPINION" over a game or whatever.

Yahtzee says what he says in his videos for 5 main reasons and I'll list them

1. Because He's part of the escapist and he has a job with them [Or something Iwk how that goes.]
2. he's making a legitmate points about a game and how it can be liked and disliked by the public mass who do and don't play video games
3. He makes it entertaining filling it all with those colorful metaphors and analogys to bolster his review and the points about it. He's not just a person who was shat out from the womb and didn't go to school folks.
4. It's his bloody opinion on a game for one thing, the second being the facts of the game.
5. Because he can and wants to actually get a reaction out of the fk's that infest the internet and possibly even change their stupid views on things. He has some hope in humanity at least.

Shamus Young:

jebussaves88:
Its okay to have an opinion on something, but blurting out you don't like it in a forum only to reveal you haven't actually tried it is understandably going to be met with hostility by those who do like it.

This is the problem. There is no reason for hostility. I LOVE me some ice cream, but if somebody says that ice cream sucks I don't get all angry and confrontational. There is simply no reason.

But it begs the question; if you don't like a game, and you haven't tried it, why are you getting involved in an argument over something you clearly have no interest in in the first place? If you'd played the game, or even demoed it, and had genuine criticism for it, then I think its something to discuss, but wading into the troll pit blindfolded is not bringing anything to the table except bad feeling.

For example, I'm fairly sure I wouldn't like the cover system in Killzone 2, and have never thought it was really that pretty a game, which rendered it as a console shooter rather impotent (to me anyway). But you don't see me wading into a Sony forum to tell all the members that their most anticipated game of last year was a big grey pile of something unpleasant. Just because I didn't bother to buy or demo it does not give me the right to criticise peoples taste, which is what anyone who stumbles into such a conversation is doing. "I didn't bother playing the thing you like, but I know it's just bloody awful, and anyone who disagrees is just a moron". If you were to say something like "It just didn't appeal to me" that would be something, if not completely pointless and a waste of time.
If people want mature conversation about something, then the people within that conversation should really be informed about what they're talking about, and anyone who isn't is entitled to their opinion, but within that conversation, that opinion isn't needed.

(Don't take this as me defending fan boys, but to be honest, anyone who blindly criticises a game without playing it is equally guilty of trolling it up)

I'm so glad to see someone say this! It's not even about money. The one precious irrecoverable resource is time; to even ask someone to spend time trying a product is thus equivalent to asking them to sacrifice a portion of their life force that they will never get back. That's why the burden of proof is enormously on the side of advertisers and evangelists to convince people that something is even worth the opportunity cost associated with trying it out.

jebussaves88:

Shamus Young:

jebussaves88:
Its okay to have an opinion on something, but blurting out you don't like it in a forum only to reveal you haven't actually tried it is understandably going to be met with hostility by those who do like it.

This is the problem. There is no reason for hostility. I LOVE me some ice cream, but if somebody says that ice cream sucks I don't get all angry and confrontational. There is simply no reason.

But it begs the question; if you don't like a game, and you haven't tried it, why are you getting involved in an argument over something you clearly have no interest in in the first place? If you'd played the game, or even demoed it, and had genuine criticism for it, then I think its something to discuss, but wading into the troll pit blindfolded is not bringing anything to the table except bad feeling.

For example, I'm fairly sure I wouldn't like the cover system in Killzone 2, and have never thought it was really that pretty a game, which rendered it as a console shooter rather impotent (to me anyway). But you don't see me wading into a Sony forum to tell all the members that their most anticipated game of last year was a big grey pile of something unpleasant. Just because I didn't bother to buy or demo it does not give me the right to criticise peoples taste, which is what anyone who stumbles into such a conversation is doing. "I didn't bother playing the thing you like, but I know it's just bloody awful, and anyone who disagrees is just a moron". If you were to say something like "It just didn't appeal to me" that would be something, if not completely pointless and a waste of time.
If people want mature conversation about something, then the people within that conversation should really be informed about what they're talking about, and anyone who isn't is entitled to their opinion, but within that conversation, that opinion isn't needed.

(Don't take this as me defending fan boys, but to be honest, anyone who blindly criticises a game without playing it is equally guilty of trolling it up)

^this a million times. People need to learn how to articulate their opinions better and try not to present it as fact.

jebussaves88:

Shamus Young:

jebussaves88:
Its okay to have an opinion on something, but blurting out you don't like it in a forum only to reveal you haven't actually tried it is understandably going to be met with hostility by those who do like it.

This is the problem. There is no reason for hostility. I LOVE me some ice cream, but if somebody says that ice cream sucks I don't get all angry and confrontational. There is simply no reason.

But it begs the question; if you don't like a game, and you haven't tried it, why are you getting involved in an argument over something you clearly have no interest in in the first place? If you'd played the game, or even demoed it, and had genuine criticism for it, then I think its something to discuss, but wading into the troll pit blindfolded is not bringing anything to the table except bad feeling.

For example, I'm fairly sure I wouldn't like the cover system in Killzone 2, and have never thought it was really that pretty a game, which rendered it as a console shooter rather impotent (to me anyway). But you don't see me wading into a Sony forum to tell all the members that their most anticipated game of last year was a big grey pile of something unpleasant. Just because I didn't bother to buy or demo it does not give me the right to criticise peoples taste, which is what anyone who stumbles into such a conversation is doing. "I didn't bother playing the thing you like, but I know it's just bloody awful, and anyone who disagrees is just a moron". If you were to say something like "It just didn't appeal to me" that would be something, if not completely pointless and a waste of time.
If people want mature conversation about something, then the people within that conversation should really be informed about what they're talking about, and anyone who isn't is entitled to their opinion, but within that conversation, that opinion isn't needed.

(Don't take this as me defending fan boys, but to be honest, anyone who blindly criticises a game without playing it is equally guilty of trolling it up)

Yeah...but Yahtzee actually played the game, and he still got a reaction like that from the fanboys. I like SSBB, I have fun in that. I can design me some nice stages in that game with its limitations, and I have fun.

Fanboys like those have absolutely no reason to be just sending that hate to him.

Yahtzee as his job is to play and review games, he has to go out and buy them himself [or some other reason but probably what i stated anyway]. He doesn't have forever to play a game as well, he said in his review he had like 3 hours to play with his buddies, in the mailbag showdown he gets rammed for apperently NOT playing with friends.

They need to pay some bloody attention is what they need to be doing.

You know, every time this comes up it bring's Adam Sessler's hatred of Final Fantasy to mind.

Seeing the fanboy hate is one reason I look forward to them posting those reviews. (See Crisis Core).

Of course you have an opinion about games you haven't played. If not, you'd buy every new release, play a bunch of crappy games, go broke and die. But when the flame war starts between fanboys and haters about a gmes you haven't experienced, STAY OUT OF IT! Your opinion really doesn't need to be shared when you have zero evidence to back it up.

Shamus Young:

jebussaves88:
Its okay to have an opinion on something, but blurting out you don't like it in a forum only to reveal you haven't actually tried it is understandably going to be met with hostility by those who do like it.

This is the problem. There is no reason for hostility. I LOVE me some ice cream, but if somebody says that ice cream sucks I don't get all angry and confrontational. There is simply no reason.

Shamus, you're my new hero. That is EXACTLY what I've always said. Taking offense because someone doesn't like something you love is just plain insecurity, IMO.

Impluse_101:
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I don't really have anything to argue with here. I think people should be able to disagree with him via message or forum post, but if only they were more literate. If both parties (in this case, Yahtzee and SSBB fan boy) have played the game, then there are grounds for a discussion/argument. Hate mail is NOT appropriate, and I do disagree with extreme fanboyism. Plus, Yahtzee is renowned for disliking multiplayer, so taking issue with his lack of opinion on it is like taking issue with a Violinist for not being able to do a kick ass drum solo.

What I take issue with is people verbally dismissing a game via the internet at the very people who are likely to take issue with the criticism they are levelling at it when the person has no contact with the game short of demoing it. SO I think saying its fine to bad mouth a game without playing it is sort of reckless.

Shamus Young:
This is the problem. There is no reason for hostility. I LOVE me some ice cream, but if somebody says that ice cream sucks I don't get all angry and confrontational. There is simply no reason.

Ice cream looks like frozen cum and (probably) tastes worse. How can you eat that crap? Lord knows I never would.

I completely agree that you can dislike and avoid something without seeing it firsthand. You can mention that it sucks or isn't for you if the topic arises and even list reasons why this is the case based on secondhand sources.

But hate is a strong word. The only entertainment media I can honestly say I hate are ones I've actively been tortured by like Twilight. How can you develop an emotion as strong as hate for a game/book/movie/pile of vampire flavored word-vomit without actually having the experience? I understand that I'm just arguing semantics here, but I feel it's an important distinction to make. Some people decide some new game or whatever is one of the worst creations of man alongside nuclear weapons or supernatural romance novels and will loudly tell everyone everywhere how horrid it is at the slightest provocation. That is hatred and it makes no sense to me.

Towowo2:
People need to learn how to articulate their opinions better and try not to present it as fact.

It is impossible to present your opinion as fact without saying something ridiculous like, "Research shows that Twilight sucks." If you're offended by someone offering their opinion without a big disclaimer that what they say is in fact their own subjective view of the matter, you lack conviction in your own opinions and need to get over it. Just about everything a person says that isn't either a math problem or a dry description of the current weather conditions is an opinion. Informing them that they still only speak for themselves just makes you look insecure.

This is all fine and good as long as you don't go on the internet and tell people why the game sucks so hard.

That's when you are transformed from opinionated human to annoying trolly butt-nugget.

Shamus Young:

jebussaves88:
Its okay to have an opinion on something, but blurting out you don't like it in a forum only to reveal you haven't actually tried it is understandably going to be met with hostility by those who do like it.

This is the problem. There is no reason for hostility. I LOVE me some ice cream, but if somebody says that ice cream sucks I don't get all angry and confrontational. There is simply no reason.

I think people expect to be understood as well in writing on the internet as they do when discussing something face-to-face, where body language, tones of voice, dress sense appearance and even a speakers age all inform the conversation at least as much as what is being said. Confrontation isn't the exception, it is the rule; harmony and cooperation only exist so long as people are constantly seeing the familiar and the agreeable, and constantly having that reinforced.

But news and opinion on the internet canno simply keep shovelling out the same-old-same-old. Remaining uninformed carries a stigma, it is backward, its something to be made fun of. So we're obliged to search out something new. And when we see it, it sure looks ugly sometimes. And then, despite me trying to be the model of reason, I go and post something in defence of something else.

And then I electronically step on someone-else's toes because I completely fail to communicate everything that would be entirely reasonable spoken face to face. And the cycle perhaps starts over and again, until its essentially the culture of a chatroom.

I agree Shamus!

I think having and sharing your opinion is fine and dandy, and nobody has a right to call out out on it. But there is the trolling scum that will fire of an opinion with as much vile spittle as they can muster which goes beyond an opinion. It's a forced attempt to piss people off. I can go and say that Metroid other M looks pretty boring and sounds like there's a stupid concept behind it. But that's about it. If I were to then presume it's the worst game of the series ever, and call people who like it, or even tried it, complete jerk offs, then I'd deserve to be rebuked... although, obviously, that would have been the point in saying those things ;)

Ideally we'd all be like the fan boys want and give everything the time it deserves but there's only so much time and money to put aside for a hobby.

We have to form opinions from known experience a little research and the feedback others and we usually do that pretty swiftly. Other times we don't and the only way to form an opinion (and opinions do need to be formed and revised) is to forge ahead and acquire a copy; I like JRPGS but the feedback from FF13 was a game that left me undecided before I actually got it.

I know I don't like football games the manner of play, rules and appeal of the games are lost on me. Technically I know them all but it just doesn't flip a switch somewhere deep inside. I played FIFA at a friends recently (at his behest) and I will admit I was surprised at how well it played and how far those games have come from Sensible and Fifa98. we played for a couple of hours but I won't give a football game my own time and money they just don't appeal and probably never will.
I don't need to check reviews, screen shots, pre-release footage and and couple of days hire to know I would only find them a passing and mild distraction and why waste my time on that when I could be playing the latest RPG or finding out what the next big strategy game has to offer?

Yahtzee was right to give ssbb a review, it keeps his opinion of fighting games up to date and his extremely critical view of such games allows him to point out serious flaws in a game without just glossing over them as normal parts of the genre

. Which is his job after all.

This reminds me of a book called Blink!, talking about this same sort of thing. You got it spot on in that people will judge everything immediately and forming their opinions about it. You shouldn't necessarily rely on them, per se, but they shouldn't be ignored either.

Hell, that's how I came to love certain games is seeing them over and over in previews and walkthroughs before buying them. And I've enjoyed them and loved them ever since. :)

This article seems to conflate not liking a game with thinking it is a bad game. Your focus is upon prejudging a game so as to avoid wasting money. While this is necessary to be anything approaching a reasonable consumer of any medium, letting dislike get to the point of believing that the author is a hack, that other people shouldn't like the work, or that the work is outright morally objectionable requires a great deal more experience than those provided by previews, reviews, and the like. Farmville's kind of a bad example, as reading about Zynga's dubiously legal shenanigans to gain profit allow people to raise reasonable moral objection, no experience with the game necessary. So, I'll use your Twilight example instead: It is reasonable to have heard about the book and decide that you won't like it before even reading it. It is not reasonable to decry its treatment of vampires, women, or its audience's IQ before having read at least a few chapters of Meyer's actual WORDS. Otherwise, you can only know secondhand what such treatment actually entails. This is a problem because the details are easily skewed by those who already have a strong opinion about the book (in either direction). If you do have such objections to a work, it is fine to discuss it in a mature manner with those who disagree with you, but if you don't actually know what you're talking about, on what grounds do your opinions stand?

EDIT: For the record, I also disagree with those who say that Yahtzee was "biased" when he reviewed SSBB, or at least that his opinions were invalid on those grounds. I greatly enjoy Brawl, but the game flat-out REQUIRES a great deal of experience with Nintendo games (that is, a pro-Nintendo bias) to derive half of its enjoyment. The concept is even marketed as a form of wish-fulfillment; a resolution to the typical nerd fantasy of "who would win in a fight" that is only of relevance to Nintendo fans. Thus, non-Nintendo fans should not be expected to enjoy the game, and for them, Yahtzee's opinion is perhaps the best gauge of whether or not they would like the game. This contributes to a large portion of Yahtzee's criticism of the game ("Who the hell is Marth, and why is getting him considered a reward?"), and the rest of it, if memory serves me, were more minor points. The only thing Yahtzee criticizes that I take issue with is the allegedly too-far-zoomed-out camera... but who knows? Maybe us SSB fans have an easier time because our eyes have been trained by the frantic pace of the previous games. The camera IS farther away than in the original and Melee, and some specific character situations can produce particularly hard-to-see results (try playing a green Mr. Game and Watch on Smashville at night, or telling the difference between a blue and black Marth)

It is impossible to present your opinion as fact without saying something ridiculous like, "Research shows that Twilight sucks." If you're offended by someone offering their opinion without a big disclaimer that what they say is in fact their own subjective view of the matter, you lack conviction in your own opinions and need to get over it. Just about everything a person says that isn't either a math problem or a dry description of the current weather conditions is an opinion. Informing them that they still only speak for themselves just makes you look insecure.

Not really my intended point. I simply meant that people can put a little more effort to word them better, sure you can't please everyone but does it mean you shouldn't put effort into it.
I expect people to backup their opinions as well.

You know, I see a lot of people here confusing "stating your opinion" with "being a troll". There is a big difference there, folks.

Let me give you an example: If I say "this game is a big pile of dog shit", that is just my opinion. But if I say "this game is a big pile of dog shit and everyone who likes it is a stupid dogshit-eater", then I'm being an asshole.

Can you see the difference? Stating an opinion about something, be it a game, movie, book or ice cream, shouldn't be considered offensive to anyone or anything but the game/movie/book/ice cream itself. I'm not trying to offend people who have a different opinion than mine.

People in general and fanboys in particular should learn to stop taking everything so bloody personally.

Towowo2:
People need to learn how to articulate their opinions better and try not to present it as fact.

It's the other way around: people need to learn that everything I say that is subjective is my opinion. It would be redundant, tiring and pointless to repeatedly state "that's just my opinion".

If someone says "game X sucks!!!1one", then of course it's his opinion. There's no anointed comittee that will decide which games suck and which don't, everyone has their opinion. It's not an objective, factual sentence, so it can ONLY be opinion.

A friend of mine, when he says something and someone responds "but that's just YOUR opinion", he then says: "no, it's not, this is the opinion from that old lady at the end of the street; now I'll state MY opinion" :)

So true Mr. Shamus. I am usually very vocal about things I dislike, but before I am so I usually research the things a bit more. In case, as you say it, I might miss out on something that I at first don't seem to like. Researching these things have more often than not made me dislike the thing in question even more. This includes games like Final Fantasy, Devil May Cry, Metal Gear Solid to movies and books like Twilight.

Why do I spend time researching these things if I don't like them? Because whenever you say you don't like something, the usual reply will be "well, have you tried/listened to/read it?" At least I can then answer "No, but I know at least as much as you do about the subject, maybe even more" instead of just "no". Because then the answer will be "Well, you just don't have a valid opinion then". So thank you Shamus for putting this out there.

jebussaves88:

(Don't take this as me defending fan boys, but to be honest, anyone who blindly criticises a game without playing it is equally guilty of trolling it up)

QFT. Fanboys are stupid IMO (why can't people be happy for other people who enjoy the same hobby they do but have differing opinions). If you have not played the game, and have no interest in playing it you should not comment about it because it's stupid and immature because all you're doing is acting like the 5 year old who kept saying his toys were better than yours (even though he hasn't seen them) and if you try to argue with him he just plugs his ears with his fingers and yells "la la la la la i'm not listening la la la la la" THAT is EXACTLY what you're acting like if you say a game "sucks" or is "mainstream drab" if you haven't played it yet. go play your indie and "art" games ya hippie[jk on the hippy part don't flame me], if you don't like mainstream games good for you, you don't need to put it in every post just because most mainstream games are actually really good. I'm pretty sure the people that slam mainstream games are just like those people who want to be with the "cool" crowd and will say "me too" when it comes to "fighting the power (mainstream media).

sunburst313:

It is impossible to present your opinion as fact without saying something ridiculous like, "Research shows that Twilight sucks." If you're offended by someone offering their opinion without a big disclaimer that what they say is in fact their own subjective view of the matter, you lack conviction in your own opinions and need to get over it. Just about everything a person says that isn't either a math problem or a dry description of the current weather conditions is an opinion. Informing them that they still only speak for themselves just makes you look insecure.

I was ninja'd while writing my post. But yes, exactly. People need to stop with "but it's just YOUR opinion". Well, of course it is.

My internet life is largely formed around learning information, forming opinions, and sharing opinions with other people, on games I have never played. You could ask me about almost any recent AAA game, and I could tell you what I think about it -- and I've never played more than 3/4 of them! I'm planning on recording a podcast later today on Reach, and my sole experience is from a ton of reviews and previews, word-of-mouth, and a bit of live coverage!

aldowyn:
My internet life is largely formed around learning information, forming opinions, and sharing opinions with other people, on games I have never played. You could ask me about almost any recent AAA game, and I could tell you what I think about it -- and I've never played more than 3/4 of them! I'm planning on recording a podcast later today on Reach, and my sole experience is from a ton of reviews and previews, word-of-mouth, and a bit of live coverage!

Orly.... *Suave eyes*

Edit: Mwuahahhaaha~

If you can't hate something until you've tried it: How many people hate crystal meth?

The_root_of_all_evil:
If you can't hate something until you've tried it: How many people hate crystal meth?

Thats an entirely differnet subject for another time.

jebussaves88:
But it begs the question; if you don't like a game, and you haven't tried it, why are you getting involved in an argument over something you clearly have no interest in in the first place? If you'd played the game, or even demoed it, and had genuine criticism for it, then I think its something to discuss, but wading into the troll pit blindfolded is not bringing anything to the table except bad feeling.

Nicely put.

A lot of people in the comments section of Zero Punctuation just want to be in on the feeding frenzy eventhough they never played the game and probably had no prior interest in it to begin with.

Theres all sorts of reasons to hate games you have never played, but fanboys are fanatics. They will read how you don't like a game, hassle you for it, then 5 minutes later go back to being "right" about their game. Being on the Internet means if you share your opinion then there will be those who don't like it. To the fanboys, my credo is simple; "Who cares what you think."

The_root_of_all_evil:
If you can't hate something until you've tried it: How many people hate crystal meth?

People don't hate the taste of crystal meth; they hate its effect on society. That's different. If Halo Reach was causing mass infertility, tooth loss and discolouration of the skin, then we would have every right to tell the Halo fanboys to button it. But it isn't, so we kind of don't, unless we've played it and are now chewing with our gums and firing blanks.

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