Stolen Pixels #231: The History of Civilization, Part 2

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Stolen Pixels #231: The History of Civilization, Part 2

With this, we enter the Dark Ages of Civilization.

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Mines nto crashesd yet and play it for nigh on 60 Hours+ now.

Love it myself, and Ghandi scares me - I just wanna make peace and he sends nukes to me! ;o

And yay for Dark ages!

Was scared of Civ due to its complexity in the other versions. This one seemed a bit easier to manage. So i bought it last night on Steam. I started the game around 8:30pm, about 20 minutes later it was 11:51pm. yeh i'd say its quite the good game this Civ 5 XD

Haven't had a crash either yet, tho i must say around industrial era on larger maps it takes more time for my PC to process the AI turns than it takes me to manage 8 cities. Still waiting for patches and expansions, after all it's been the case with every Civ that they get their awesome status only after about a year or two of fixing the initial release.

I don't hate the new Civ as much as I'm ambivalent to it. It's still Civ, and you still research the same stuff, get the same units, race to build all the wonders you can, improve your lands, etc. There's some new stuff and some old stuff in there. But the game seems to have tried so hard to lose any extra weight and streamline itself that I fear it may have just pushed itself into blandness. After finishing one full game of it (Space victory, of course, the only one that counts IMO) I don't feel the need to play it any more. There's just not much that can go differently. I'd research the same tech, improve the cities in largely the same way and the whole thing would go more or less the same way it does every time. There's just not much replay value. Granted, I felt mostly the same about most Civ games...

I think I'll go install Alpha Centauri now. THAT was a good Civ game. So many ways it can play out, so many ways to build and focus your development. It was just a deeper game than almost any regular Civ game...

What we learn from this comic, save regularly and Dont Fuck with the Ghandi!

Dark Ages = Crashing History. That's just funny - I don't think the point has anything to do with the propensity for the game to actually crash.

I think the fact that so many people are pissed at Civ V is a testament to how good Civ IV is. Civ IV added a lot of flavor to the game that was stripped away in Civ V, and people always get pissed if you remove stuff from games.

I like Civ V but I do think that it has been dumbed down a lot, except for the combat. But I'm not worried because Civ V is ultra-moddable and I'm sure it won't take long until Civ V is spiced up for those of us who like a more complex Civ-experience.

I wish I could play Civ 5, damn you PC and your shitty graphics card!

I just want to backport civ5 combat to civ3 somehow. The rest of it I could do without.

It's pretty, though.

I know its going to happen as soon as I post this but mine has only crashed once, the first time I went to run it. I've noticed the same happening with other Steam games so I just brushed it off as start up pains. Since then it hasn't crashed for me, even when I alt+tab (which tends to break a great many games).

I wanna play Civ 5. Maybe I can run it on low on my laptop...

Tiamat666:
I think the fact that so many people are pissed at Civ V is a testament to how good Civ IV is. Civ IV added a lot of flavor to the game that was stripped away in Civ V, and people always get pissed if you remove stuff from games.

Sadly, such fanboys obviously never heard Sid Meier talk about game design and Civilization. He's specifically stated that if you keep adding features, after a few iterations you would have a game so complex that no new people can ever play it, because there's too much to learn. So while he always adds and innovates to every game, he also trims out parts of the game deemed unnecessary, so that by Civ10, you don't have to take a few semesters in graduate school to play it.

DTWolfwood:
Was scared of Civ due to its complexity in the other versions. This one seemed a bit easier to manage. So i bought it last night on Steam. I started the game around 8:30pm, about 20 minutes later it was 11:51pm. yeh i'd say its quite the good game this Civ 5 XD

Welcome to our dream. Welcome to our nightmare.

DTWolfwood:
Was scared of Civ due to its complexity in the other versions. This one seemed a bit easier to manage. So i bought it last night on Steam. I started the game around 8:30pm, about 20 minutes later it was 11:51pm. yeh i'd say its quite the good game this Civ 5 XD

This is proof that Civ hasn't changed too much.

But if we don't complain about Civilisation 5 what will we complain about? First step you give in to different interface next thing you know you live in a police state! To arms brethren!

Disclaimer: I didn't actually play it and don't care one way or another.

in one play trough i was placed RIGHT next to ghandi, and a city state just above us, another city state (which served also as a "frontier" between me and suleiman and rome) asked that we destroyed the former one, so i created some army, and attacked, by this time Ghandi and me were with our borders relativelly one on top of the other, but neither had "sailing"

i capture the former city state, and ghandi goes ahead and starts being insulted and all, this was my first game, and i thought "yeah bitch, what are you gonna do about it!?" and in the next turn he had 5 catapults, a bunch of spear men, and well, some "elephants"? i dont know what they are called, havent gottem them my self

so, yeah, i was like "O SHIII..."

good thing he didnt went "all out war" on me, but i was "compelled" to agree to everything he asked from that point onward, haha.

Tiamat666:
I think the fact that so many people are pissed at Civ V is a testament to how good Civ IV is. Civ IV added a lot of flavor to the game that was stripped away in Civ V, and people always get pissed if you remove stuff from games.

I like Civ V but I do think that it has been dumbed down a lot, except for the combat. But I'm not worried because Civ V is ultra-moddable and I'm sure it won't take long until Civ V is spiced up for those of us who like a more complex Civ-experience.

Im still mainly pissed at Civ's time limit.

yea, players can zerg rush wonders and get a space victory at about 1100 A.D., but an Endurance or Survival....or hell, a Sandbox mode would of been a nice edition.

{I have yet to play the full Civ V, so I dont know if it does or doesnt.}

OT: I dont know why Gandhi is the butt of aggression jokes for the Civ Series, yes, he was a pacifist IRL, but in Civ IV I had the FRENCH attack me openly and NOT delcare war, when I called bullshit they countered with tanks, THOUSANDS OF THEM.

all because they destroyed one of my scouts.....

DTWolfwood:
Was scared of Civ due to its complexity in the other versions. This one seemed a bit easier to manage. So i bought it last night on Steam. I started the game around 8:30pm, about 20 minutes later it was 11:51pm. yeh i'd say its quite the good game this Civ 5 XD

Yeah, that happens. A lot.

The demo crashed on me twice, so I can imagine the frustration of actually having the game.

The outcries from both of those parties are so annoying, I love it but I don't understand why people get angry at another person's opinion and insult them for it, of course that could apply to anything.

I count myself quite lucky that I've never had a crash problem with Civ V.

Edit: I have a feeling a lot of the complaints levelled at Civ V for being dumbed down is that people have toruble seperating Civ IV once it was fully expanded and vanilla Civ IV. The vanilla versions of both aren't remarkably different in terms of complexity, Civ V just LOOKS less complex.

I really want to get Civ5...

And dont mess with Ghandi.

Ghandi is pretty much the running joke of the Civ series. I bet Sid Meier's totally in on this.

I love playing as Augustus, and breaking the world under the heel of my all-powerful Legions.

And I hate Darius and the Persians more than Ghandi at the moment.

crotalidian:
What we learn from this comic, save regularly and Dont Fuck with the Ghandi!

You don't need to save to protect from crashes. The game auto-saves every X turns (default 10) and keep Y saves (default 5).

It crashed on me a couple of times (it seems to be more stable on 7 than on XP), but you just need to load the last autosave.

It crashed so many times on my laptop :(
Makes me sad, almost sad enough to a have an undead Ghandi negotiate the release of a patch with Firaxis (and possibly burn the place down in the process)...
Something for the next comic perhaps: the goddamn AI. Barbarian ships happily sail near my cities until they are destroyed, workers build farms only to tear them down and build mines instead, the other players have units wander between two places every turn, and they just won't fuckin' relent with their offers of peace, and trade, and not burning down orphanages...

Jaredin:
Mines nto crashesd yet and play it for nigh on 60 Hours+ now.

Love it myself, and Ghandi scares me - I just wanna make peace and he sends nukes to me! ;o

And yay for Dark ages!

You have tempted the Microsoft Gremlins; your game will inevitable crash next time you play!

Ghandi never bothered me, but whenever I play on a challenging difficulty I pray to all of the Gods that Montezuma isn't going to show up near me; he always attacks even to the detriment of both of us!

Right something hasnt happened to mine yet i cant say what it is or it will do.But you guys know what i mean.

Was rather funny just wish you did more windows so pretty much all i am saying is i want more that must be a good thing

My biggest issue with the Civ series has always been the diplomacy as the AI players always seem to want an arm and a leg when all they are willing to give you is fingernail clippings unless you are in an position of overwhelming power. And by overwhelming power I of course mean having taken everyone of their cities and have surrounded and ready to take their capital.

Honestly I find the whole Civ 5 crashing thing to be part of why I'm loving it thus far, as I spent several years playing the original Civ despite it's tendency to either crash or completely freeze up on me. Ahhhh nostalgia, how you burden me so.

Yeah; Civ V crashes constantly for me; when I fire up the DX10 version it crashes about 5 seconds after I start playing a map, even though my graphics card should support it; and when I run the DX9 version it still has a tendency to crash once in a while, which usually means it will crash after 3 to 5 straight hours of gaming without saves.

Oh yes does it ever crash a lot. Not that I wouldn't make a million saves in a civ game, but now it's actually a requirement.

Never had it crash on me at all. Funny, I usually tend to attract crashes.

"Prepare to be crushed under the wheels of our chariots you Peace-hating Son of a Bitch!"

Onyx Oblivion:
I wanna play Civ 5. Maybe I can run it on low on my laptop...

Steam has a demo. That's how I found out my laptop could run it. As for being able to spend all that money on the full version, that may have to wait.

oneplus999:

DTWolfwood:
Was scared of Civ due to its complexity in the other versions. This one seemed a bit easier to manage. So i bought it last night on Steam. I started the game around 8:30pm, about 20 minutes later it was 11:51pm. yeh i'd say its quite the good game this Civ 5 XD

Welcome to our dream. Welcome to our nightmare.

Slighty off topic, but would you say Civ is more engaging online?
I've never had the urge to play online on a civ game...

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