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Obsidian Does it Again

Did Obsidian even test Fallout: New Vegas before releasing it?

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Shamus Young:
Did Obsidian even test Fallout: New Vegas before releasing it?

If they had, my revolver would keep the hollowpoint ammunition in its chamber when I switch to a different weapon for 2 seconds.

At least the patch is out.

After having watched the Spoiler Warning episodes that covered FO3 I was wondering whether you'd have anything to say about New Vegas.
I'm almost considering buying this but honestly these huge amounts of bugs are unacceptable, you have a Q&A people, you have programmers, have them work together, hell DELAY THE GAME WHILE YOU FIX IT. Valve may always release really late but atleast their games don't tend to be horribly broken, unlike anything by Bethesda or Obsidian apparently. Its suprisingly the two companies even continue to have anything of a reputation.

It crashes to desktop whenever I want to wait. Got patch 1 before playing, and yet so much disappiontment. But I still love the game, it's addictive as hell)

Eh it's a bethesda open world game. They are always super glitchy when they first come out.

I just got the 360 version of New Vegas today (Europe release date) and I got the patch and haven't encountered any problems so far... I also installed it to my 360 to cut loading times and pop in.

Still I'm really enjoying it ^_^ It's making me want to re-buy Fallout 3 too.

Never seen anyone so quick to dismiss Neverwinter Nights 2 and Mask of the Betrayer. It had rough edges, yes, but it was hardly "broken."

I was sympathetic to Obsidian about KotOR 2 (despite them ruining one of my favourite series') because I was aware of LA's involvement, but then I realised the publisher always gets blamed for their fuck ups.

LA with KotOR 2, Atari with NWN 2 (not a complete fuck up, but dull - to me - and definitely buggy), Sega with Alpha Protocol...

Even now it's Bethesda who are being blamed too, despite the engine of the FO games being made by a different company and Obsidian being the ones to make the game (and the ones responsible for fixing bugs).

There's a common denominator here, and it isn't the publishers.

This is why Im waiting for the patched GOTY editionb or what have you.

NWN 2 wasn't broken. It was bug-challenged)

Up to version 1.23, when they didn't really bothered to fix that annoying thing with movement in third-person mode. Ah, nevermind...

I have a built in soundcard that come standard with most ASUS motherboards. I have resorted to shamanism to get the sound in New Vegas to pretend like it works properly. I'll wait for another patch.
At least they're patching this one. I'm still waiting for the "Better game patch" for Alpha Protocol.

I too will think to wait for the "Game of the Year" edition (quotes indicate sarcasm). Chances are it will be patched or they will release patches fixing the problems by then. Oh wait, Obsidian made it you say? I guess it will be up to the community to fix one of their games. Again.

Umm, it *is* actually the steam cloud service that botched it up. Anyone who ran the game in offline mode and deleted their backup save files could make as many quick saves as they want.

Open user data, go into the only folder after that, and open folder 22380, delete the contents, back them up if you wish, start game, and enjoy your quick saves and auto saves.

They've disabled Steam Sync now, but the game still automatically reaches for the old save games because they're on your computer. On another computer, they wouldn't be there, so they'd reach for the proper files.

Ehe....re-read the thing and saw he *did* find a way around it with the forums.

It's really not being unreasonable or troll-like to criticize Obsidian for this now. Some people will defend them because they love the game, or maybe they have been fortunate enough to not encounter any bugs yet. So far, I do love the game. I didn't love Fallout 3, but Obsidian has made some subtle and some more obvious changes that make New Vegas a much more enjoyable experience for me. So far, I've only had one game crash and a bug that immediately preceded it where two enemies attacked me, so I killed them and then was punished for it with negative Karma and a murder charge. That's all I've had, but when you see so many people coming out with a veritable potpourri of glitches, you can't turn a blind eye.

Obsidian needs to really change this pattern in their releases. After it happening so many times, you can't cut them slack because "the publisher rushed them" or what have you. How have they not addressed this issue yet? You would think if they are aware of their reputation (and how could they not be aware?), they would make damn sure to sweep their games clean of these issues as well as they can.

Re: save games:

Absolutely Steam-based problem. A Batch file which clears the steam cache folder before every launch OR write-protect that folder and your save game problems go away.

Steam.

I am with you on the playtesting though

[edited some tpYos]

This is why I'm waiting a few months to buy the game. By then it will all hopefully be fixed. By either the community or the devs.

Woodsey:
I was sympathetic to Obsidian about KotOR 2 (despite them ruining one of my favourite series') because I was aware of LA's involvement, but then I realised the publisher always gets blamed for their fuck ups.

LA with KotOR 2, Atari with NWN 2 (not a complete fuck up, but dull - to me - and definitely buggy), Sega with Alpha Protocol...

Even now it's Bethesda who are being blamed too, despite the engine of the FO games being made by a different company and Obsidian being the ones to make the game (and the ones responsible for fixing bugs).

There's a common denominator here, and it isn't the publishers.

Agreed. With KOTOR 2 I can see how its Lucasart's fault. They forced the game out way before it was ready.
Not sure what the deal was with Atari and NVN2, so I can't really comment on that.
Sega isn't the best, so perhaps a bit of the blame can be leveled at them, although its unlikely.

However Bethesda cannot be blamed for this. According to the Brink developers, Bethesda is "hands off" with its publishing, meaning it lets the devs do their thing without interference. This is a failure by Obsidian, and nobody else. Yes the engine does have its bugs, but this save thing is just inexcusable.

jedizero:

But no, apparently people are content to fling their hands skywards at the first bug, (On an engine, made by bethesda, that is OBSCENELY BUGGY TO BEGIN WITH. YOU DO NOT WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I CRASHED IN OBLIVION.) Screaming out "WORST GAME EVER LOL SO BUGGY"

Joe user should not have to deal with a showstopper bug in a game within the first minor bit of playing. If they didn't test steam cloud, they shouldn't have implemented it. That isn't a complicated concept. I am curious if it is a case of poor QA or just QA being ignored by the development. Or just rushed in general.

Sounds like it's par for the course for a newly launched Bethesda's Flavour of Gamebryo game. I've heard worse from Fallout 3 (specifically the DLCs being completely and utterly broken at launch).

In Obsidian's defence, the game only went gold three weeks ago, and the save bug may be Steam related, and they've got two patches out for it already.

I guess my instincts were right. Stay clear of Obsidian crappy games.

As soon as I saw that Obsidian was working on the next installment of my beloved Fallout, I knew I had to take the "wait and see" approach.

After reading this and seeing some gameplay vids on YouTube, I'm glad I didn't waste $60 on this buggy shit. Like many above me have already stated, I'll wait for the GOTY that will inevitably come out in late-2011/early 2012.

On another note, why is it so fucking hard to make a good game that takes place in Las Vegas? Seriously, even a UT3 map of the Strip would be the funnest thing to happen to UT3, so why is it so difficult?

STOP buying their shit, day one then......

If ANYONE complains about Obsidunce's next game then it's entirely your own fault for buying it.

I'm sick to death of seeing people complain about their games, when it's been obvious for years that all they do is release crap now.... and it all comes as some big surprise??? :Oo WTF??

Yeah, the save thing you described was steam related. That particular bug isn't obsidian's fault. what IS Obsidian's fault is tat the space suit from Come Fly With Me, could cause save game corruption on the xbox 360. Not sure if they have fixed that problem yet or not though. Other than that, it's been really fun so far for me.

Sutter Cane:
Yeah, the save thing you described was steam related. That particular bug isn't obsidian's fault.

It's not Steam related, it's happening in non steam versions too. It's the way THEY have coded the saves to work in the engine.. It IS their fault.

The great thing is that some these were bugs in Fallout 3. Yet, they still haven't fixed them. In fact, the bugs seem to have gotten worse.
That's why I'm waiting until I hear that New Vegas is largely bug free. In other words, I'm never going to buy it.

I put up with enough of that sh*t in Fallout 3!

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Sutter Cane:
Yeah, the save thing you described was steam related. That particular bug isn't obsidian's fault.

It's not Steam related, it's the way THEY have coded the saves to work in the engine.. It IS their fault.

must have heard wrong then sorry. I must be thinking of something different.

Removed because I was acting like an ass...sorry.

Putting out a game as buggy as New Vegas is just completely unacceptable for a big name developer. I decided to hold off on buying it, because I wanted to see if this was going to happen, and I'm glad I did. It's really a shame, because I'm 99% certain I'd love the game anyway, like that clumsy, socially awkward, overly exuberant cousin that you just can't help but like...but I'm not going to validate a release like this. Sooner or later, we that play games are going to have to start doing something more than complaining about a game while playing it (and no I don't mean piracy, just boycotts).

I'm going to wait for a game of the year edition that's (hopefully) patched up and then I'm going to buy it secondhand. Sorry Obsidian. No cookie for you. Get your shit together.

The only major bug, aside from the same physics glitches I've come to expect of Bethesda games, is that save bug. Pissed me off, I lost about half the progress I had made so far.

jedizero:

Fumbleumble:

Sutter Cane:
Yeah, the save thing you described was steam related. That particular bug isn't obsidian's fault.

It's not Steam related, it's happening in non steam versions too. It's the way THEY have coded the saves to work in the engine.. It IS their fault.

Congratulations on not knowing HOW your game works!

Fallout New Vegas uses steamworks as DRM, but also offers some neat bonuses to go with it. Easier chat than GFWL, not completely crappy, etc. etc.

In order to play the game, you make a steam account and give them the CD key. Then you let it update/decrypt the files and install.

Now your game is running, but. On. STEAM.

I meant bought from Steam....

Doesn't matter though, it's still not a steam issue.

I wish people would trying to fudge matters when it comes to who is to blame for a bad game.

If they make it then the buck stops there!... it's either a bad coding job (their fault), or an exageration of the time THEY thought they could do it in and the publisher want it on the agreed date (their fault again)....

Once bitten, twice shy.... but after the fourth surely it becomes expected?

Hum. I played the game today for ten hours straigt and the only bug I encountered was the fact that it would load up some older auto-save when I klicked "continue" in the main menu. But I still could load my manual saves. So am I just lucky or is that patch THAT good?

Well there have been minor things, like whole rooms in the casinos being virtualy empty and useless, some quests having dodgy dialoges and the mid-game being an incomprehensible mess of faction-picking-quests that noone ever bothers you to explain. But well, that's pretty common for open world games.

Was that a "My Name Is Earl" reference?

Removed because I was an ass. Sorry.

Honestly, I'm not sure about this. On the one hand, KOTOR 2 was Rushed, NWN 2 wasn't too bad, on the other, I'm about as close to an Alpha Protocol fanboy as there is. I think I've beaten the game 3 or 4 times. I still enjoy it. Yeah, all those games have polish issues, but they were also the best kind of game, intricate RPGs.

I think Obsidian is a B-list developer trying to make A-list games. If they pumped out Shooters or Movie Tie-ins, then no one would ever say anything bad about them. Hell, we'd be impressed by the level of sophistication they bring to the table. I bet Obsidian could make the best damn Superman game ever (mostly cause of the lack of competition). Instead, they go after the biggest fish in gaming: Star Wars, Forgotten Realms, Fallout. If they'd leave the sacred cows alone, I don't think they'd have such a bad rep.

Well they're releasing patches for it so hopefully by the end of the month the majority of bugs will be fixed.

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