Game Dreams

Game Dreams

The dreams stuff are made from.

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I realize this may be a bit off topic from the article, but since you did mention it I have to ask. Can what we eat really affect our dreams? (You mentioned them being the result of a bad taco) The fact that indigestion could affect my sleep isn't to hard for me to grasp, but I don't see how it could manifest itself in dreams; affecting my subconscious directly instead of merely waking me from my sleep.

Interesting article. Games already are, in a sense, dreams. Out of body experiences where we exist in a different time and place, and often don't necessarily exist as we do in the real world. Beyond that, of course, is the fact that we can actually control games but must do it under the rules set out by an often invisible and unassailable force. Lots of parallels there so it's easy to understand why they would bleed into one another so easily.

firemark:
I realize this may be a bit off topic from the article, but since you did mention it I have to ask. Can what we eat really affect our dreams? (You mentioned them being the result of a bad taco) The fact that indigestion could affect my sleep isn't to hard for me to grasp, but I don't see how it could manifest itself in dreams; affecting my subconscious directly instead of merely waking me from my sleep.

It's called REM sleep that you can control your dreams sub-unsubconsicously (or something) but I do know that it takes practice.

Sometimes a new game or one I haven't played in ages dominates my mind for a night and makes me unable to sleep, my thoughts entragnled by the mechanics or mistakes I made. Such was the case of my first time playing Team Fortress 2, Half Life 2, Battlefield Heroes, Blazing Angels 2, KoTOR and my revisit and first time to Star Wars Battlefront.
(Battlefront was the worst. Mostly cause my mind got stuck staring for hours at the map.)

Anarchemitis:

firemark:
I realize this may be a bit off topic from the article, but since you did mention it I have to ask. Can what we eat really affect our dreams? (You mentioned them being the result of a bad taco) The fact that indigestion could affect my sleep isn't to hard for me to grasp, but I don't see how it could manifest itself in dreams; affecting my subconscious directly instead of merely waking me from my sleep.

It's called REM sleep that you can control your dreams sub-unsubconsicously (or something) but I do know that it takes practice.

No REM stands for "Rapid Eye Movement" and is a stage of sleep. Lucid dreams are dreams your have conscious control over. It's supposed to be possible, but i can't say i've done it myself.

Another great article. Interesting for me that it came up today, too, because last night I had a dream that Tails had found his father... and it was Anderson Cooper.

I don't want to know what that may mean.

If there is a game I am playing constantly, I end up thinking about it when I am not playing it and it can affect my dreams!
As for the person who sent the letter though, it might be they have someone in their life who is making them feel bad about themselves, but they feel that if they spoke back they would get into trouble for it.
Does anyone else feel that?

It's not just games.

Ask anyone whose worked in retail over Christmas. You serve in your sleep.

In fact, I'd be willing to bet that Yahtzee criticises in his sleep as well. ;)

"sometimes a cigar is just a cigar".

damn dreams and their ability to torture us, the question "why" is never easy. :(

So me actually facing a giant Super Monster in my dreams, holding a gattling gun and V.A.T.S. blasting away his flesh actually has meaning?

So do I always face impossible odds with such bravery without flinching? Really? Awesome.

I took a break from certain games when I would look around and see polygons and texture layers in everyday things. Particularly natural things for some reason, like leaves, clouds and the clear sky was an easy one because it pretty much always looks like a digital gradient to me.

Wieke:
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No REM stands for "Rapid Eye Movement" and is a stage of sleep. Lucid dreams are dreams your have conscious control over. It's supposed to be possible, but i can't say i've done it myself.[/quote]

No, I've had lucid dreams before. All it takes is practice. Not that I'm claiming to be some monk or something, I just got bored and over months of what I call "practice" I was able to notice when I was dreaming and then control things while still asleep. The bad thing is that you walk a fine line between being cognizant that you are dreaming and waking up, which means that if you try to control too much of the dream your focus will actually wake you from the dream.

I'm basically going to go out on a limb and from my own experience say that eating a food that may disagree with your digestive system may cause you discomfort that will manifest itself in your subconscious by creating uncomfortable dreams or nightmares.

The_root_of_all_evil:
Ask anyone whose worked in retail over Christmas. You serve in your sleep.

Those are the worst! I still twitch when I think about it...AAAUUGHH...sorry flashback.

When I was playing Dead Rising a few years ago I dreamed I was throwing plates at zombies. I took that dream to mean it was time to lend the game to a friend.

firemark:

The_root_of_all_evil:
Ask anyone whose worked in retail over Christmas. You serve in your sleep.

Those are the worst! I still twitch when I think about it...AAAUUGHH...sorry flashback.

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I think generally dreams have no actual meaning(its what my psychology professor says and he'd be one to know)... but I've noticed that what is forefront in my mind is occasionally featured in my dreams.

On the topic of food: I've noticed that when my sleep is less deep, I tend to dream more/remember my dreams better; So I would suggest that having food that didn't agree with you could cause your sleep to be less deep, potentially making your dreams more vivid or memorable; I dunno about it affecting the actual content though.

Since "dreams" and "sleep" in general is the one big mystery i haven't solved yet, i don't really have a clear cut statement ready about their "meaning" - but what i do know yet, plus some logics, lets me say what i currently consider "probable":

My impression about dreams is - to put it simple - that they result from things that are on our mind, plus some ridiculous randomness. The "interpretation" usually happens after the puzzle pieces are already on the table. What i mean with this, is that i noticed, that in my and others dreams (dream logs), when a new "scene" is created, the scene usually is there first, and THEN the dreamer tries to make sense of it (and while doing so, adjusting it, and adding more things).

So, what does that tell about the "meaning of dreams"? That they are probably just that: Stuff that we think about, plus randomness (including random old memories), plus creative interpretation. The results do obviously tell us something about ourselves. After all, if you dream often about something, then it apparently is someway important to you. Or if you randomly embed an old memory, then you apparently still remember it (else, it couldn't be part of the dream). Etc. etc.

The key aspect which i'm trying to explain here is: Dreams are not some "prophecy" or "judgement" created by some "god", who makes a statement about us. When people talk about the meaning of dreams, they often talk about it, as if it were some judgement made by SOMEONE/SOMETHING ELSE. Crap like "if you dream xyz, then this always symbolizes abc." - as if there were some cosmic being, that sends us secret messages, but encrypted of course because that being is a meanie. That's not what dreams are.

Rather, what i'm trying to explain, is something much more mundane: When you think about something, then you obviously think about it :) Same for feelings: If you feel some way about something, then you apparently are capable of feeling that way about it :) So, i think a better way to deal with dreams, is to not treat them like something else, but instead treat them as how you experienced them.

Like, you watch a movie, and at some point feel a certain way - and then afterwards wonder why you felt that way? Same thing. The only things "special" to dreams, is the increased randomness, and that infobits may be used, that aren't right now important to you anymore - those aspects may be confusing.

P.S.: Another thing that may be confusing about dreams, is that you may be thinking, imaginating or saying things how you actually mean them, instead of how you learned to interprete them. Let me give you an example: A few weeks ago, i had a dream that ended with me saying a sentence. That sentence began with the words "A highly low...". After i woke up, i at first was amused about what crap i said there - "Highly low" wtf? Contradiction much?

But then after a while, i noticed that someway this wasn't really so dumb. It actually was very clever, because i expressed this part of the sentence, as what it is, rather than "prettyfied": You know, we have this concept of "intensity", and we may say things like "super low" or "very low", etc., but emotionally and structurally, there isn't really much difference between "high" and "very". It's just different words for the same thing, and in everyday sentences, we just routinely arrange those synonyms in a way, so that they won't LOOK contradictory. So, what i in this dream actually meant, was just "very low", but in a moment of honesty, i expressed it as how i actually feel about it: "highly low".

I'm surprised the Tetris effect didn't get a look-in. Probably my favourite gaming-induced psychosis ever.

The_root_of_all_evil:
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You sir, made my day. I remember that one fondly. I also have CAD and xkcd bookmarked next to it. Thanks for finding that one for me!

I used to be that bad at WoW, still play it on and off but now that I no longer raid it seems to have loosened its grip on me and I no longer think and dream about it. I still dream quite frequently, though it seems to be a much wider variety now.

SaturdayS:
I took a break from certain games when I would look around and see polygons and texture layers in everyday things. Particularly natural things for some reason, like leaves, clouds and the clear sky was an easy one because it pretty much always looks like a digital gradient to me.

I always thought that fog was god turning down the draw distance.

Thorvan:

SaturdayS:
I took a break from certain games when I would look around and see polygons and texture layers in everyday things. Particularly natural things for some reason, like leaves, clouds and the clear sky was an easy one because it pretty much always looks like a digital gradient to me.

I always thought that fog was god turning down the draw distance.

I wonder how much lag he gets.

"a client" ??? Isn't he supposed to say "a patient" ?

manga-minx:
If there is a game I am playing constantly, I end up thinking about it when I am not playing it and it can affect my dreams!
As for the person who sent the letter though, it might be they have someone in their life who is making them feel bad about themselves, but they feel that if they spoke back they would get into trouble for it.
Does anyone else feel that?

don't know if im allowed to say this but i send the letter, at the time it was more not being able to hurt another human (no matter how blood splattered and cannibalistic) even if it meant survival. About the part of someone in my life making me feel bad about myself is very true, several people make me feel that way.

Sam Vimes:
"a client" ??? Isn't he supposed to say "a patient" ?

Patients are sick people seeing a doctor. Clients are people who have hired someone to do work for them. Both are applicable, and "client" doesn't have the "sick" connotation.

I've been paying attention to my dreams and since there haven't been any real changes to my habits, I've been able to capture a few patterns.

1. Rejection from loved ones.

2. Zombies or conspiracies or madness or otherwise a cause for everybody in the world to be against me.

3. Whatever video game I'd happened to be playing at the time.

You see how the last one doesn't necessarily reflect my state of mind... it's just an unavoidable side-effect of all the video games I play. Zombies in dreams can mean more, seeing as how they are the walking dead/a soulless monster in a human form... but I don't have the credentials to tell you what it means either.The only part I can recognize for sure is helplessness (not making contact with the sledgehammer).

I think it's very normal that you dream about your day. And if you spend so SO much time playing wow, it obviously gets a big part of that subconcious process aswell.
Sadly it's true with so many boring things you do all day... if you have ever dreamed about fucking economic studies, you know what I mean.

Mechsoap:

manga-minx:
If there is a game I am playing constantly, I end up thinking about it when I am not playing it and it can affect my dreams!
As for the person who sent the letter though, it might be they have someone in their life who is making them feel bad about themselves, but they feel that if they spoke back they would get into trouble for it.
Does anyone else feel that?

don't know if im allowed to say this but i send the letter, at the time it was more not being able to hurt another human (no matter how blood splattered and cannibalistic) even if it meant survival. About the part of someone in my life making me feel bad about myself is very true, several people make me feel that way.

I'm sorry to hear that! :( Isn't there someone you can speak to that can offer you help?

manga-minx:

Mechsoap:

manga-minx:
If there is a game I am playing constantly, I end up thinking about it when I am not playing it and it can affect my dreams!
As for the person who sent the letter though, it might be they have someone in their life who is making them feel bad about themselves, but they feel that if they spoke back they would get into trouble for it.
Does anyone else feel that?

don't know if im allowed to say this but i send the letter, at the time it was more not being able to hurt another human (no matter how blood splattered and cannibalistic) even if it meant survival. About the part of someone in my life making me feel bad about myself is very true, several people make me feel that way.

I'm sorry to hear that! :( Isn't there someone you can speak to that can offer you help?

not really since most would laugh at me or say to man up.

"For example, studying for a test is like farming materials for raid flasks--dull and boring, but necessary if you want to succeed."

ugh I see STUDYING...something I need to be doing. sigh...lol and I don't play WoW

I can expect to dream about whatever game I'm into at the moment. I sort of look forward to it, because a usually dream a game better than I can play it. By that, I mean that the dream is better and more involving than the game, and that I am better at it.

While I cannot say I never day dream, I found the account of not being able to apply ones thought to anything else as unfamiliar. Is it just me? Games have never hijacked my thought when doing other things.

"Sometimes a sledgehammer is just a sledgehammer." That will be tickling me for at least the rest of the day! A persistent song or good line is one thing that can hijack my mind, and this may have done that.

Psychologists often interpret such images sexually...

That made me laugh.

'I kept swinging my hammer at the zombie, but I just couldn't "hit it".'

I dream rarely, but in the rare case that it happens I usually have some memory afterward of the dream and can tell just what event or experience or whatever from my real life urged the dream to come..(and no, I've never had video game dreams..)

I remember the first time I played Minecraft. I played long into the night, and I remember having the same experience that Dr. Mark describes, Minecraft became the setting for my dream.

It was weird.

Mostly, when I try to interpret my dreams, I try to consider my emotional state during the dream before the content of the dream itself.

I found the bit about relating real life activities to game tasks especially revealing. I came upon doing this myself, relating things like chores to quick grab quests or skill training. It makes me smile just thinking about it, but pretending that I'm my own MMORPG toon helps me get menial work done a lot faster.

 

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