The Big Picture: Once Upon a Time in The Future

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I'm just saying as someone from Northern Alabama, Huntsville specifically, despite the fact most people don't know that the U.S. space program wouldn't have happened without Marshal space flight center's involvement, we're taking it pretty hard here. Huntsville is a town built on space, military, defense engineering, so that announcement was a kick in the gut to the entire city.

Aside from purely economic concerns though, I'm with you. We've explored most of the Earth, found most of its secrets, and as a species we need to stay occupied. Humans are at their best when investigating, exploring or killing each other, so it's probably smartest that we try to stay focused on the first two. I say we keep looking around, poking and prodding the stars, looking for new stuff and trying to figure out what we find, because otherwise we'll probably kill each other.

I wanna kick NASA, The US Congress, and Society-In-General in the balls. (Not the president, though-I'll save him for later.)

First they stop using Pluto as a planet, and now all hope for colonization on other planets has been kicked off for a few more centuries. Seriously, what excuses are there? My answer-there is none.

Sometimes I feel like I was born in the wrong future. We could've had a Utopian-Supercity on Jupiter, but nooooOOOOOOOooo, 9/11 had to happen!! Hell, I'd honestly prefer the post-apocalyptic future then this one: at least then life would feel a bit more important then it does sitting around at a school/job/ computer at home. Our future just sucks.

Daystar Clarion:
Bad move America, looks like it's up to Britian and the space S.A.S. to discover Prothean technology on mars. Don't worry, we'll share the discovery... for a price.

The price of setting up a space program from scratch would be a good first bid.

PrometheanFlame:
Bob,

Really? Peace on Earth or cities on Mars...and you choose Mars? Just...wow.

One of the most beautiful things about massive endeavors such as space exploration is the way it brings people together. It gives them a reason to set aside their differences and work together for a common goal. What do you think the astronauts themselves would say? "Hey, Buzz Aldrin. I know there's this whole Red Scare thing going on that has children hiding under their beds at night for fear of being dashed off the face of the Earth in a nuclear holocaust...but wouldn't it be really neato to go stand on the moon and swing a golf club around? I have a magic button right here that could put an end to the tension, paranoia, and specter of worldwide annihilation...but if you press it, you can just forget about planting that flag!" Do you REALLY think he'd be like, "Fuck everybody because I've had a bad run. Let them burn, for all I care. Let's light this candle! WOO!"

You make a point of highlighting how shallow and indifferent America has become...yet you're every bit as guilty and short-sighted as anyone you would jab your finger at. Yeah, space exploration has been put on the backburner. In case you haven't noticed, our economy isn't exactly thriving and we're hemorrhaging resources into a war against an IDEAL. Have you observed what happens any time somebody mentions raising taxes? The country shits its collective pants. Where's the money supposed to come from? Sacrifices have to be made. Yeah, I would rather see the war end than NASA lose funding, but that's just not how it played out. Does that mean America has written off space exploration altogether? If you really think that, you're as naive as you are childish.

Sheesh.

If this forum had a like button, i'd click yours. ;)

Space travel is just a another extention of the capatalist mindset to waste resources. What MovieBob is endorsing is the idea that we go from planet to planet wasting resources and then moving on to the next one. While I do applaude the fact that he wants to make his dreams realities, it's sad that his dream is so destructive.

Straight up BS dude. Cutting funds to the space program by a certain percentage. Fine. Gimme a decent excuse and I'm on board. But to straight up CANCEL that shit! I'm sorry but that's just not right. What was the fucking point of the past several decades if we're going to just come out and say, "I'm bored. Let's check out that thing over there!" like a fucking child!? *Sigh* America strikes again.

...

Bob, this is pretty much what happened to the space program. The cold war ended, and america's biggest, baddest enemy, Russia (USSR if you want to get historically accurate) just either ran out of resources or focused on other things besides competing with the states for space.

So where does that leave America, where (or more accurately, when) "men were men, women were women" and the country had something it wanted to hit first? Honestly, the states have never cared more about space travel then when their ideological arch nemesis got curious about what might be up there. Russia see's whats up, seems satisfied, and just sits back to let America piss all over them, in a figurative sense, with the moon landing and mars missions and whatever else.

In short though, I think its summed up by this. They don't have anyone to 1-up now. There is no big contest for whoever has the bigger dick, like in the cold war. Now, there is simply no one to show off to, no world that needs to impressed. Sure they explored for a few years after that, then came other presidents who were more content to do other things, such as nothing. Now they have no purpose to get into space, if no one wants to beat them to it. And by no one, I mean Russia, and with an american president that doesn't want to be outdone in a pissing contest for mars.

:O Awww man! Now I'm upset.
The worst part is I read that in our present state of technology, if we started right now, we could have Mars terraformed by 2100. I was so excited when I read that. I really love space, I don't want it to be given up on and I certainly don't want to end up taking the USS Mountain Dew to Planet Microsoft or the Starbucks nebula.

Solid.

Darks63:
The main problm with cities on Mars Bob is we lack terraforming technology to make Mars and the Moon places worth living on. Overall I share ur regret over humanity seeming to be in a tech slump where we try to make a ever cooler cell phones while other dream techs get no time. Sadly much like before we probably need a war to galvenize tech to go forward again, as long as its not nuclear.

We don't need to terraform. The planet has an atmosphere already, thin but not a vacuum, we just need more Oxygen. Drop a few domes to control O2 and CO2 levels and start building facilities to harvest and process the raw resources to manufacture more domes. The biggest issue is even if the whole of the polar region is water [ice] we would need to relocate it to the equator region where we would be building settlements. Water would be required for food production as well as needed for any industrial processes.

The war will come from the shortage of raw processing materials. The moon will never be a viable option because is it's just rock, there was never any volcanic activity, that we know of, to cycle heavy metals to the surface. We will need Mars for potential sources of gold, silver, palladium, uranium, iron, aluminum, platinum,... basically everything with atomic weight over 20, we're even running out of processable helium resources.

Scientist like to through out asteroid mining as a resource venture but the logistics of landing, collecting, and leaving within our travel range will never be a possibility, unless we have a way to stop asteroids.

Still hoping for things to happen like in that novel, where humans find out how to create wormholes that let them see anywhere in time and space :)

lets colonize mars with starving children
that'll fix everything

I feel towards this just as you, and its a shame. I remember some promises about mars being colonized by 2015 or something, I knew its a stretch but heck, I wish at least my children will see space colonization coming one day.

On the other hand, america isn't the only one having a space program, as you said. I hope lies within those who still dream...

Btw for all those folks thinking cutting the space program means that we will be feeding the starving and cure the ill... YOU ARE WRONG!
The money will be used to get the faulting economy back on its feet, or with other words, it will be used to help out people who once were rich. If the money were REALLY used to do good things, I'd be for it too, but ain't gonna happen friends.

man i dont even know that its fucking sad even fucking media was showing some star bitchies tits but dont a nasa program cancel

fucking commie obama care about socialism but dont about sience

hate people they just awful science programs cut they money while people eeven dont care and keep jorking off on american idol

i know my post looks banal and hate but i just cant spell my hate on them other way (or dont want )

a sad thing indead

Don't worry Bob, you're not the only one pissed that this country does not have a clear plan for space exploration. One of the best past times of my childhood was gazing at the stars and imagining the wondrous worlds out there and when am I going to visit them. I've accepted that I may never make it there in my life time, but that doesn't mean I can't condition my children to strive for that dream, well, not that specific dream, the desire to innovate. That's something we can focus on, give more incentive to learn and create and you'll find lots of people signing up to make the leap into hyperspace.

You know what happened to 'us', bob? We became a civilisation of whinging selfish manchildren who think that mars missions and ipods are more important than feeding the hungry, caring for the sick, or dealing with the huge global disasters that are looming in our near future.

I wish I heard any of this when it was relevent, I really would love to be a part of the universe beyond earth.

we can fix world peace by finding aliens to go to war with nothing unites us more than a common enemy :P but in all seriousness the reason we don't have world peace and all that is cuz resources are limited that's why we need space travel so we can get more new resources to provide for everyone that's the real big picture people who want world peace are naive

Mr. Bob, i guess

Sorry, long time watcher first time respond, SINCE I CANT GET EMAIL TO WORK.
*ahem* sorry about that. Any way, i believe what you said about the space progam, and its cancelatio are true, and have the same thoughts.And i thought i would share my defence against the 'bleeding hearts' with you. When (i'm an optimist, so sue me) space travel is put back in front, there are eventually going to be stations, outposts, docks, etc. NOt only will these thing provide jobs while they are running, but will also provide jobs to both skilled and unskilled laborers DURING CONSTRUCTION! The price will be high, but this could very well improve the economy. Also, assuming we get hydroponics down, we will increase the total area we have to grow food on, eventually leading to a reduction in world hunger. Science would be forced to take a notch up, like it did in the cold war. Hell, if we're lucky, some of the other countries will try to race us to colonize Mars, leading to a revival of the space race. We are going to get to study other things in space, in new and different conditions, whos to say we wont start finding new ways and new cures to diseases. This puch could in fact affect how we perceive the world and may bring about enough change that would aide in the creation of world peace. im not enough of an optimist to say world peace is possible, but this would definately be a steo in the right dirrection. And yes, i realise my typing is horrendous, as is my spelling. Tough it out. These are just my thoughts on the subject. Please respond if you could.

Thanks.
Sincerly
Frostryu
Josiahfallen@yahoo.com

Frostryu:
Mr. Bob, i guess

Sorry, long time watcher first time respond, SINCE I CANT GET EMAIL TO WORK.
*ahem* sorry about that. Any way, i believe what you said about the space progam, and its cancelatio are true, and have the same thoughts.And i thought i would share my defence against the 'bleeding hearts' with you. When (i'm an optimist, so sue me) space travel is put back in front, there are eventually going to be stations, outposts, docks, etc. NOt only will these thing provide jobs while they are running, but will also provide jobs to both skilled and unskilled laborers DURING CONSTRUCTION! The price will be high, but this could very well improve the economy. Also, assuming we get hydroponics down, we will increase the total area we have to grow food on, eventually leading to a reduction in world hunger. Science would be forced to take a notch up, like it did in the cold war. Hell, if we're lucky, some of the other countries will try to race us to colonize Mars, leading to a revival of the space race. We are going to get to study other things in space, in new and different conditions, whos to say we wont start finding new ways and new cures to diseases. This puch could in fact affect how we perceive the world and may bring about enough change that would aide in the creation of world peace. im not enough of an optimist to say world peace is possible, but this would definately be a steo in the right dirrection. And yes, i realise my typing is horrendous, as is my spelling. Tough it out. These are just my thoughts on the subject. Please respond if you could.

Thanks.
Sincerly
Frostryu
Josiahfallen@yahoo.com

Well said here here

LittleChone:

Sometimes I feel like I was born in the wrong future. We could've had a Utopian-Supercity on Jupiter, but nooooOOOOOOOooo, 9/11 had to happen!! Hell, I'd honestly prefer the post-apocalyptic future then this one: at least then life would feel a bit more important then it does sitting around at a school/job/ computer at home. Our future just sucks.

Why do you think (almost) the whole western population spends time killing eachother in digital fantasy worlds? Were freakin misserable with "the real world".

Yes, we got food. We got shelter. We got entertainment. But all in all its just escapism for what we really want the world to be: A ground where the conflicts are how to survive and improve, not who is blessed by which deity or who called who a bad word. And we do nothing to stop the way it is going! We just keep standing in lines to get the newest vanity trinket first. Couldnt agree with you more on the post apocalyptic part. Living there would be better than this...

No, Im not referring to a revolution here. But I wish for a world where humans are ONE race, and working together to reach common goals. A place where the ones that enjoy sports can genetically engineer himself to be a prime athlete, a D&D fan can run around in forest fighting real dragons and party with real dwarves for a living, and an artist can work unrestrained.

its an utopia, I know. But its not a dream. We couldve been there if we werent so pitiful.

/rant

Btw, I like my life, just wish it was better :D

I'm sorry that the U.S.A,russa and the EU space program isen't working out. I was hoping we least build a small base on the moon, let alone mars yet. i'm a english male and even if the uk helped the program, Great Britin would likely go bankrupt, but. i'm sure if we all tried get off our computres and do something about it(like rise a saport canpain) we'ill get back on track. so don't worry bob, things will look up. we will get off the ground its just taking some time.

thanks for reading and i hoped this will help yer feel better.

Haakong:

LittleChone:

Sometimes I feel like I was born in the wrong future. We could've had a Utopian-Supercity on Jupiter, but nooooOOOOOOOooo, 9/11 had to happen!! Hell, I'd honestly prefer the post-apocalyptic future then this one: at least then life would feel a bit more important then it does sitting around at a school/job/ computer at home. Our future just sucks.

Why do you think (almost) the whole western population spends time killing eachother in digital fantasy worlds? Were freakin misserable with "the real world".

Yes, we got food. We got shelter. We got entertainment. But all in all its just escapism for what we really want the world to be: A ground where the conflicts are how to survive and improve, not who is blessed by which deity or who called who a bad word. And we do nothing to stop the way it is going! We just keep standing in lines to get the newest vanity trinket first. Couldnt agree with you more on the post apocalyptic part. Living there would be better than this...

No, Im not referring to a revolution here. But I wish for a world where humans are ONE race, and working together to reach common goals. A place where the ones that enjoy sports can genetically engineer himself to be a prime athlete, a D&D fan can run around in forest fighting real dragons and party with real dwarves for a living, and an artist can work unrestrained.

its an utopia, I know. But its not a dream. We couldve been there if we werent so pitiful.

/rant

Btw, I like my life, just wish it was better :D

Don't worry, I enjoy my life too. But it just makes you wonder what could've been...

Good video, Bob. I agree that we won't see cities on Mars in our lifetimes but if we don't colonize another planet, or learn to conserve this one, we can consider the human race as good as dead. The 6th mass extinction, and as far as extinctions go, the biggest predators don't fare too well... Look at what happened to the dinosaurs.

Good vid, Bob. I agree that we won't see cities on Mars in our lifetime but we have to colonize another planet, or learn to conserve our own, at some point in the future. Otherwise, it'll be the 6th mass extinction, and well, as far as extinctions go the biggest predators don't fare so well... look at the dinosaurs.

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Really, I agree that the Space program should not be our top priority.
And Its not because of the poor. But the US has a 14 TRILLION dollar debt going on... I don't think spending billions so we can colonize mars would really help that....

WTF! This is the stupidest thing the US has ever done. Do they not realize what we are giving up here? Do they not realize how much technology has come out of the space race that we all take for granted now? I'll justify spending billions of dollars on the future any day. Sure it may not have great benefits now, but space exploration could be our salvation from overpopulation in the future through colorization of new planets. I am sure there will be a lot more hungry people when Earth is bursting from its seems with people.

basically it's the the economy... and other domestic problem when you get right down to it the people ultimately holding the purse strings have to cut back on spending. thats what people think they want right now. low taxes and less goverment. and add onto that how after than one shuttle failed on reentry and showered north texas with debris the media didn't look at it how it use to look at space travel, no fox news decried how much money was being spent killing american heros. (but we totally need to stay in iraq in afgastistan for as long as possible, because that doesn't cost BILIIIONS of dollars and thousands of american heros) The economy sucks, glaan beck sean hannity and bill oreilly all get a primetime slot and until some changes are made we don't go back to space. do this suck? yes.

I disagree about the genie metaphor but on the whole I agree with you. The world's grown cynical and bitter, as itsjustsomerandomguy once put it "Nobody wants to look up anymore... They don't want to crane there necks." Absolutely damn right its pathetic. People would rather watch a reality show where they can look down at someone then hope for the future.

YES
Thank you Bob!
I have to admit i lost a little respect for Bob with the Halo rant, but now he's back in my good books. It's a fucking crime that the US space program has basically been abandoned while the US Military was given 600billion dollars last year alone. With 10% of that money we could fund a Mars mission.
The EU have laughable space programs, Russia's is as retro as possible without falling apart, and as for the rest of the world i'm not sure. As Bob suggested, lets hope India or China can get to Mars.

this vid = my feelings exactly

Ehm, yust don't vote Obama next time.

PROBLEM SOLVED.....

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