The Big Picture: Once Upon a Time in The Future

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thats a pretty defeatist attitude

So many other users have make the great point, that space just isn't in the media spotlight anymore. Which is just sad, I'm sure the U.S.A will get back around to space travel at some point. I just can't see it happening in my life time, with the economy way it is.

There's nothing in space, even with all out satellites all we really need to focus on is our own immediate orbit, when i can barely afford a game once a month Im not gonna feel sympathetic for an online critic whose made because we're not going to emulate his favorite book or movies.

There is nothing to be gained from space that would as of right now justify the cost of going there. At all.

I will never forgive Obama for canceling the plan to return to the moon. That is just one sin is cannot forgive. Oh and you wanna know what a man looks like when his life's dream has just been crushed by a committee? Watch Dr. Robert Zubrin's testimony to the 2003 Senate.

Also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Direct

Your welcome, internet.

I love ya Bob, but would you REALLY trade world peace for a colonization of a barren dustball like Mars?

I don't think you would.

Hm, colonization of Mars or literally no more fighting on earth?

I mean honestly use your damn brain Bob. With no more need to supply and funds to military and all that, we will eventually (if not almost immediately) get back to funding the space program. Think it through more dammit.

Shit man I'm one of those people who didn't wake up to smell the ashes of all this and now that I do know I have one thing to say...

MrhalfAwake:
There's nothing in space, even with all out satellites all we really need to focus on is our own immediate orbit, when i can barely afford a game once a month Im not gonna feel sympathetic for an online critic whose made because we're not going to emulate his favorite book or movies.

There is nothing to be gained from space that would as of right now justify the cost of going there. At all.

So assuring the continuation of the human species isn't worth the cost? Wow. Only someone with absolutely no knowledge of science would say that there is nothing to be gained from space.

docking pointless and wasteful space exploration to help a country is a good idea, space travel is a black hole for money and has little to no benefit to society

I can't speak for everyone, but I pretty much ignore this issue entirely because if I bothered to think about I'd be in danger of a heart attack. The big thing is....I feel helpless to do anything about it. In the middle of a recession, nobody but nobody is gonna want to be the guy that stands up and says "let's spend billions of dollars on space exploration" when any political opponent can stand up and say "why would we do that when nobody has a job right now"? Forget the fact that harvesting asteroids could pay back what it costs to get up there ten times over. Forget the fact that China is diligently working on perfecting its own space program, and by the time we get our heads out of our collective asses we might find out that they own the freaking sky (okay, I'm exaggerating....and maybe its just post cold war suspicion talking....but goddamn do I get twitchy around china...nah, its just my general belief that any nation as prosperous as china has become has no need whatsoever to such backward totalitarian approaches to human rights...but I digress).

Seriously, I have no idea how I (and the other true believers in space flight) can do anything about this. However we go here, this is a fucking doldrum when it comes to something as big as space. The world economy is shaky, our economy is too, and there's no end in sight.

Of course, the other reason I'm not frothing at the mouth was that I knew about the shuttle retirement program way back when Bush was still around. It pissed me off back then that there was literally no replacement for the shuttle at that time for a good TEN YEARS. Much like a bad break up, this is still a bitter subject, but time has dulled the rage to a cold lump in my throat. Now its less hate and more resentment.

also, just because its 'cool' doesnt make it good, why not try make the earth better for a start rather then giving up on it and going straight for other planets with no natural resources

Dear posters to whom this is the first news of the constellation program shutdown, let me emphasize this.

The "Space" Program is not being shutdown. The shuttle program is. What does this mean? It means we're looking for better ways of effectivally sending people to space than putting them in a winged pod strapped to two massive rockets.

I sent letters to my representatives urging the cancellation of the constellation program back when it was being voted on. You know why? Because it needed to be cancelled, and we're better off without it. Don't presume all the nuances of the issue can be laid out in a 3 minute video.

Dear Bob, I would also Pick Cities on mars over World Peace.

If God and Free Will both exist, then there is nothing man nor even God can do to bring about world peace so long as there are those who aren't willing to accept that people are people, and that we should work together, rather than killing each other (I'm not saying disarm, there will always be a place for defense forces)

Putting cities on Mars? That's a job that is totally doable.

I'm a realist, and the fact is that World Peace is more in the realm of fiction than putting cities on Mars is.

Daystar Clarion:
Bad move America, looks like it's up to Britian and the space S.A.S. to discover Prothean technology on mars. Don't worry, we'll share the discovery... for a price.

What makes it worse is that I live in Space City Houston....T_T I get the crap end of History!!

Secondly I'm willing to support any other country as well to be our successor in forms of Space travel and colonization.

Thirdly, Way to go Bob, you are a very brave man for showing your true colors and not hiding behind a fake personality. I applaud you and agree with you to quite the extent.

Heads-up, this is a long post with a lot of quotes. Apologies to everyone who's getting this whole thing in their inbox and has to hunt for their post; it was either that, or make a half-dozen different posts, or learn when to keep my mouth shut. This seemed to be the best option.

MovieBob:
...when we finally make do First Contact, the aliens won't be met by a respectable starship crewed by a cross-section of the very best humanity have to offer, but instead will come upon the U.S.S. Mountain Dew, crewed by a cross-section of human worthlessness picked by some damn reality show.

OK, Bob, I know you were being sarcastic and all, but that. Sounds. Like. The premise. Of the best. Sci-fi. Comedy. Ever. Seriously. I was toying around with the idea of creating a sci-fi comedy show reminiscent of Red Dwarf or something, but I was kind of stuck for a premise. Not anymore. I'll be sure to get in touch if it ever goes anywhere, see if we can work something out.

Darth Sea Bass:
I'm not even american and i'm pissed off that america has canned the shuttle! How as a species are we gonna advance without pushing ourselves to explore and colonize space?

You seem to have missed either the point of the video or the less on how space travel works. Or both. It's not just that they canceled the shuttle program; it's that they canceled the stuff that was set to replace it. We can't very well fly to Mars or colonize planets in other solar systems in the Space Shuttle. ;)

flying_whimsy:
Arguably, the internet has been ground zero for everything awesome over the last twenty year: nearly instant dissemination of information across class and geopolitical boundaries and what do we do with it? porn, WoW, and facebook.

Humanity epic fail.

Wow... This is probably the most poignant thing I've read in ages. I really don't know what to say.

Orcboyphil:
I'm with Bob here but not just for the ohh wow where finally here reason (Though it is a frikkin large part of it). The choice isan't really feed the starving or go to Mars; its go to Mars and the technology that will be necessary to create a viable colony will also be the technology that improves the lot for the poor people of Earth.

I'm not so sure anymore. It seems to me that all the technology we'd need in order to go to Mars already exists, because technology has been improving on its own since it was created for the original space program. Feel free to prove me wrong though.

Falseprophet:
There's one very important reason to keep funding space research. If a couple of decades from now, we find a Near Earth Object in real danger of impacting with the Earth, wouldn't you rather have something in place to address it? Or would you rather put your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye?

You know all them nukes we've still got stored up? The ones that the U.S. supply of alone could blow up a whole Earth-sized planet and then some? Yeah, I think we've got a pretty good fighting chance. Now, making sure we still have enough people on watch that we'll see it coming, that's another matter, but if things ever get so bad that NASA loses that much funding, there's a good chance we'll have bigger things to worry about.

JUMBO PALACE:
I feel like this show is just giving Bob an outlet to yell about things.

I think he more or less said that was the point in the first episode.

Squarez:
If the EU united as one single country, we could probably easily get a decent space program running, maybe one that could surpass NASA. But alas, people are too proud to admit that united we stand, divided we fall and the British would want to stay British and the French would want to stay French etc instead of just being European.

And you would all speak, what, Esperanto? Also keep in mind that so far, nobody's proven that a country that big and that densely populated can work. Including the U.S., which from the looks of things is on its way to proving that it can't.

You know what's actually more realistic then colonizing Mars right now? Making a Space Colony. Basically, build a giant metal orb that can house thousands of people, put them in, and basically send it to space as are first non-earth colony (Basically, it'd be a giant Satellite). That is realistic, we should try that first.

OT: Nice video. I don't think I'd pick the same as you (Peace will eventually bring Space Colonies, ever thought of that?), but I won't judge. Space Colonies are awesome.

Believe me Bob, i'd love to see humanity move out into space. Even without the laser guns and freaky blue aliens, the thought of an actual colony on another planet just makes me burn with excitement. Times are tough, though. Economic downturn, etc. Maybe it just isn't practical right yet. :(

I thought it would be pretty cool terraforming mars. Hey, here's another idea, though. We've been talking for ages about finding a new planet, one that could support life, and we've finally found it. Not only that, it's 20 lightyears away. I realize how insanely far that is, but that's actually ridiculously close in the broad spectrum. In space terms, that would mean it's in our neighborhood. A short bike ride away. In addition, Swiss scientists are actually capturing dark matter for longer and longer periods of time. To top it off, no, I don't think we should send people. What we could do, however, is use signals imprinted in this dark matter to control robotics, things to explore those places. Hell, within a few centuries we could be talking about seeing the new earth, same gravity and everything.

Does that make you feel better, Bob?

I don't actually think colonization within our solar system is really very plausible, given gravitational differences and and the like, but this could be the big thing. Also, look to India for everything scientific from now on. They're the new big players.

i love your shows and you're a great film critic and mostly cool guy, but as for this? shut up bob. we dont have the money and we should REALLY divert our funds to more pressing matters.
like health care reform?
or relieving poverty?
or paying off our debts to china? (we really should do this instead of paying attention to something that MIGHT happen)
the list goes on...

seriously, don't be so mad over something so small.

To be honest, I'm surprised with the idea that space exploration is either a pointless or useless endeavorer. The funny thing about science is that in the pursuit of one goal, many other things can be found as a result. Take NASA's original plan to go to the moon. Did the plan in it self have any real value to the public. Asides from a great feeling of accomplishment... no, not really. But look how we live thanks to the program itself. According to the NASA website, Insulation, the Jaws of Life, Satellite TV, GPS systems, LED technology, Laser Heart Surgery, and many other things were created BECAUSE of the space program. The technology that was used to make the impossibility of space exploration possible is now used as both a recreational and vital (especially if you live where it gets cold) parts in our lives.

So if space exploration to Mars happens, just imagine what in could mean for us as mankind. Sure, there is no real tangible purpose to launch a man to Mars (other than the bragging rights), but there will be things that will help mankind. Maybe the engines they create for the project will be seen in our vehicles. Maybe the constant studying on engines in space will finally result in the coming of an affordable hovercraft. Maybe the Gundam will finally be created! ...alright, that last one probably won't happen, but you get my point. Space exploration will help society as a whole, but not directly.

Another thing that I really don't like about the comments, including Moviebob's video, is the idea that we have to choose between science and social problems. I can understand economic problems being the more important but NEWSFLASH, there were poor, starving people when we landed on the moon. To believe that before we take off to Mars, we must end world hunger and find world peace to me seems ridiculous.

Sorry for the long post and for any grammatic mistakes in this comment.

I'm with you Bob, one of my greatest wishes is to live to see colonies on other planets and actually be able to live on one. I hope at least one country continues their space program.

Silly question: What happens to the air, water, and assorted materials used in the creation of a spacecraft if it breaks down in space?

In all fairness, manned space exploration is both impractical and doesn't yield much in terms of data. Sure it helped push rocket science further, but past that space exploration, and the information we get out of it isn't reliant on manned flights. Spirit and Opportunity, the Hubble Telescope, are examples of what robotic technology can gain us in space exploration. And for the time being, and probably many a century moving forward realistically we need to be exploring space with instruments. We don't have to actually set foot there to explore space. I know the idea is nice and all, but it just isn't practical at the moment. Our tech isn't there, so in the mean time we can explore space fully with robots, and deep space telescopes which are far more important then putting hairless monkeys in space. While we can focus those funds here on earth to make technologies that will put humanity in a position to effectively achieve such goals when the time is ready. And pray we find the aliens before they find us, a resource rich planet with a semi advanced species, is prime for the pickings.

i watch your movie reviews and your game overthinker stuff, but you didnt think this through and you didnt research this very well. also you have other people jumping on your coat-tails and they surely didnt do their research either. not enough of these responses are intelligent(though some are). i am very disappointed at the( ... dare I say) immaturity of this video, it makes me sad. keep your content value at its previous levels, please and thank you.

ithink nasa has been a waste of money, but dont you see it is their fault that space exploration has been falling. They have spent billions of dollars getting absolutely nowhere for 20years, and we are supposed to just let them continue to pigeeonhole our hopes and dreams in an unceasing beaurocracy. Maybe the cut of the spaceshittle and threats of budget cuts will put nasa back into gear

Don't worry, Canada and the CSA is here to pick up your slack.

As someone about to start on a career in Astrophysics I'll be damned if I let the opportunity for advancing space exploration go out with a whimper.

Thanks Bob. It's good to know that people with a voice in the media care about this.

Great episode except for not sure how questioning Obama's birth certificate is racist.

The idea that he wasn't born in the U.S. is one of the stupidest conspiracy theories I've ever heard but I don't see the racism. Sorry.

Enough about that, the reason no one is raising a holy hell about space exploration is that there are issues that affect people on a day to day basis still on the table. Mostly economy and healthcare.

But it is a shame we will be ending space exploration in the U.S. Perhaps we'll get a second space race though.

I can see India or China reaching some significant milestone on the path to man on Mars, then our national pride will feel threatened and wala full steam ahead with Nasa.

sagacious:
Dear Bob, I would also Pick Cities on mars over World Peace.

If God and Free Will both exist, then there is nothing man nor even God can do to bring about world peace so long as there are those who aren't willing to accept that people are people, and that we should work together, rather than killing each other (I'm not saying disarm, there will always be a place for defense forces)

Putting cities on Mars? That's a job that is totally doable.

I'm a realist, and the fact is that World Peace is more in the realm of fiction than putting cities on Mars is.

That's debatable.

Steve the Pocket:

Squarez:
If the EU united as one single country, we could probably easily get a decent space program running, maybe one that could surpass NASA. But alas, people are too proud to admit that united we stand, divided we fall and the British would want to stay British and the French would want to stay French etc instead of just being European.

And you would all speak, what, Esperanto? Also keep in mind that so far, nobody's proven that a country that big and that densely populated can work. Including the U.S., which from the looks of things is on its way to proving that it can't.

Well it's only been working for the past 300 years, so I'd say it was doing okay.

The future already happened, but we collectively decided that we'd rather use lasers to play music and buy things, rather than launch rockets and perhaps shoot people. The same sort of thing applies to most-any other technology you wish to name. Hence why it's easy to know all about the latest iThing, but SpaceX's Falcon 9 launch, and work on their Dragon capsule can easily slip by unnoticed.

The individual is not the group, so this may prove highly frustrating.

matrix3509:

MrhalfAwake:
There's nothing in space, even with all out satellites all we really need to focus on is our own immediate orbit, when i can barely afford a game once a month Im not gonna feel sympathetic for an online critic whose made because we're not going to emulate his favorite book or movies.

There is nothing to be gained from space that would as of right now justify the cost of going there. At all.

So assuring the continuation of the human species isn't worth the cost? Wow. Only someone with absolutely no knowledge of science would say that there is nothing to be gained from space.

If we can't assure our immediate needs are met how in the hell do you expect to meet our long term needs.

Wow, that video reflected my sentiments almost exactly.

I would so rather have cities on Mars before World Peace. Why? Because the only way for humanity to have peace with each other is if we expand and grow. People will always fight over scarce resources.

Towels:
Wow, that video reflected my sentiments almost exactly.

I would so rather have cities on Mars before World Peace. Why? Because the only way for humanity to have peace with each other is if we expand and grow. People will always fight over scarce resources.

yeah because people will just play nice when they have more space to fuck up. Just because we have another planet to mess around in doesn't mean religious racial or economical issues will suddenly go away. If anything it will cause more tension as people fight over Much more limited resources, cost of development, and anti-martian/earthling sentiment. It would also be only a matter of time before some colonies decide to go full on Zeon on our asses and revolt.

Strap rockets to the useless ISS send/ crash it into the moon, create base with materials. cmon people we are halfway there already.

ps screw the 'international' part of the ISS those countries can just plain suck it up

pss we are going to let it crash into the ocean anyway.

I definitely find myself frustrated sometimes with the stagnation of human accomplishment. Every month there's a new electronic gimmick or new updated Google but there's nothing satisfying. Admittedly some health advances are met with a jolt of excitement and then a crushing realisation that everything will be caught up in trials and red tape for decades before any good comes of it and the consideration that while life gets longer it's the shitty part of life that gets longer. Living to 120 would be great if you're not spending 40 of those years bed-ridden with a nurse tending to you.

And yeah, space travel. Think about it, we got to the moon in rolled-uptinfoil and enough computing power to run a $10 digital watch. That's impressive on it's own. Think what we could do with the technology avaliable to us now!

There's definitely a question of money. You know when you get a tax return payment and you think "Man I'm going to just go out and buy a kick-ass electric guitar" but then the ghost of "responsibility" steps up to the plate and convinces you that you'd better save it because while finances are okay at the moment you'll never know when you need it. Eventually the money is fritter'd away by buying food, petrol, booze and paying bills.

Sometimes life it so much better if you just damn the consequences and do what's awesome. Humanity needs more of this spirit.

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