The New Buffy Movie Has a High Bar To Clear

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The New Buffy Movie Has a High Bar To Clear

Buffy the Vampire Slayer may not have been perfect, but it's awfully close.

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Well, y'know, it's been roughly 13 years ago since the series began and 18 for the movie, why not do a -remake- of it?

I'd say give it two more years, but then I realized it may take 2 years to make anyway. So..*shrug*

Nah, the series was a re-make itself really. This seems unnecessary to me. Another cash-in. Why not revive the show? People liked it enough.

Instead of endless remakes I wish producers would try to create new IP with similar themes. Why not try a different spin on the vampire slayer type genre?

Maybe make it, like, the vampires are actually aliens, and the "Buffy" character is half-vampire alien, and that's how she gets her powers, and all the magic elements are actually alien super science. And all her friends use that science to help her fight the aliens. I don't know, I'm just throwing the ball around.

But creativity doesn't seem to bring in the cheese now does it?

Hmmmm..... Buffy is my favourite show ever. So While I guess I'm looking forward to seeing more of it... I'm always weary about reboots... Still I shant judge until I see the result. Then I shall judge ALOT!

Seriously just a couple of hours ago I was thinking that I'm amazed that they hadn't made a film set after the series had ended.

All I ask is that for the love of guy if some chick is writing the script DO NOT TURN IT INTO TWILIGHT BUFFY!!!!! They ruined Little Red Riding Hood by giving it the Twilight make over don't do it to Buffy!! I will be enraged!!!! And I'm a chick. I don't want it ruined with Twilight chick crap!!

I started watching Buffy reruns a couple of months ago and I'm surprised at how much i like it. It seemed so incredibly stupid, yet it's so good O.o

Rebooting it without Whedon is definitely not the way to go :(

I never got into Buffy. I grew up on Hong Kong cinema so watching the stunt double get her ass kicked was a turn off for me. I'd take Michelle Yeoh over Buffy any time

Oh.. first off... A role model? for whom?... other female vampire slayers?

And as for not forcing the whole feminism thing down anyone's throat.. did you actually watch the last 3 seasons?

I will say though.. Buffy was fun.... but Angel was far better.

Over the top, sexy, gorey, edgy chaos...... why not let someone like Tarantino direct the action scenes and who ever directed Mean Girls do the rest, I DONT KNOW!!!

I never really watched it, although my sister did and I will admit the puppet slayer episode and the Angel episode when they actually turned into puppets were halarious. Puppets are good. The guy who played Angel was a good actor too.

As a side note im not really into Tarantino im just grasping at vampire ashes here.

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I will say though.. Buffy was fun.... but Angel was far better.

Yea while i enjoyed Buffy I must say that i definitely preferred the redemption theme of Angel to the growing up themes of Buffy.

I'm glad you mentioned tropes, because I think it deserves a mention that Buffy was so egregious in this regard that, at www.tvtropes.org, it's considered (almost memetically) as THE show that you can find an example of ANY trope in, EVER. They've pulled that show apart by its seams and pasted it over their entire wiki...and it's the single show they respect the most.

I just wanted to say that. As to the movie, I'll reserve judgement.

So, it's buffy, without joss whedon's style of writing.

why even give a fuck.

sigh

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I will say though.. Buffy was fun.... but Angel was far better.

the truth if ever i saw it

Buffy without Whedon? Jesus, this might actually have a chance of being good!

Ah yes the Initiative, damn them for makin Spike a sissy-boy.

Anyway, back on topic, the film would most likely be a bit shite me thinks but if gets a few people who missed out on the series to go out and buy the dvds? Then i think it was worth it.

There are not many shows I hold in as high regard as Buffy. I watched a few old episodes recently for the first time in years, and they still hold up so well. It just fused its component elements together so well: the writing, the characters, the acting, the action scenes, the comedy, the drama, the experimentation. Some shows today bang out a really strong season, maybe even two or three. But few seem to stay as intriguing as Buffy did for me.

Even though I didn't find most of the seasonal arcs or Big Bads after season 3 as compelling (how do you top Mayor Wilkens and the Buffy/Faith arc?), I grew to love the characters so much, and their actors did such a great job inhabiting their skins, I could forgive most other shortcomings. And the later seasons still had so many great stand-out episodes.

I'm not shocked that the Kuzuis want to reboot Buffy and try and capitalize on all the vampire hype (although they should really have done that a couple years ago before vampires got too played out). But I'm not expecting much of anything from it, considering what they did with the property back in 1993.

With any luck, this won't be horrible. It does kinda suck that they aren't letting Whedon into the project at all, but I mean it's not like Whedon wrote every single episode and comic book. They're letting a new writer in and the movie may have some good producers or directors. Do we even know who's playing Buffy yet? (I've heard that it may or may not be SMG)

It has potential to be a fun popcorn movie that any true Buffy fan will at least make an honest effort to enjoy instead of just scoffing at Whedon's absence.

AcacianLeaves:
Buffy without Whedon? Jesus, this might actually have a chance of being good!

Half right, a total reboot of it would be good. A serious go at the whole idea of a teenage super powered vamp slayer would be nice. Less false drama, and more real emotion. I think without being Wheedon driven is the only thing that could make it good. I'll admit I'm not a fan of Wheedon, at all, I even think he hides from his own work. He would never go back to do Firefly, or Buffy because he knows it would flop with him at the healm. He knows all he has to do is make new stuff thats fresh and not boring for a season or 3 and his fan base will eat it up wheather it's good or not.

But back on topic, Wheedonless is definatly a step forward. Does it even have to be "Buffy" as such, or could it just be set in the same universe, who knows. All I want to see is vampires brought back to the "Interview with a Vampire" and "Dracula" standard, and the slaying of Vampires left to either teenage super powers led by a Dutch Doctor or possibly robots.

I re-watch Buffy as faithfully as I re-read Calvin & Hobbes. I turn a blind eye to under-par action scenes - not the focus. Special FX in Calvin & Hobbes are lacking too, for that matter.

Surely what Buffy fans want to see is an intelligent continuation of the series, rather than the doomed re-treading of a 108-hour story in 2 hours.

Just reminded me to seek out Angel. Redemption themes sounds curious, but are presumably less easy to empathise with, given that we all had to grow up. Or try.

Nice article Elizabeth.

EDIT: *apologies for double-post. Refreshed, copy-pasted, returned later & reposted, and yipee I'd done it twice.

Very interesting concept, and a really good article on it.

I think what made Buffy and Angel good was that it felt like Whedon was just as invested in his characters as you were.

But I'm a little inclined to agree that he might shy away from his work once it's out there in the open, done and accepted. Maybe he knows that some things are better left done like they are, rather than trying to revive them.

As a writer I am sure he has a billion stories inside him that he has left to tell, so it makes sense for him to keep plowing on and churning out more, rather than retreading what he's already done.

It just sounds like a money grab to me...

I loved Buffy. Please don't ruin my memories!

Reading through this thing: Do ANY of you realize that Buffy The Vampire Slayer was a god fucking awful movie that was rebooted as a TV show?

To the fans up in arms:

Given the show you pour your undying devotion to is a reboot, why not give another one a chance before condemning it to the gutters of movie hell?

seekeroftruth86:
Nah, the series was a re-make itself really. This seems unnecessary to me. Another cash-in. Why not revive the show? People liked it enough.

Instead of endless remakes I wish producers would try to create new IP with similar themes. Why not try a different spin on the vampire slayer type genre?

Maybe make it, like, the vampires are actually aliens, and the "Buffy" character is half-vampire alien, and that's how she gets her powers, and all the magic elements are actually alien super science. And all her friends use that science to help her fight the aliens. I don't know, I'm just throwing the ball around.

But creativity doesn't seem to bring in the cheese now does it?

Haven't you just suggested a pretty cliché line and then chastised them for the lack of creativity?

Zachary Amaranth:

seekeroftruth86:
Nah, the series was a re-make itself really. This seems unnecessary to me. Another cash-in. Why not revive the show? People liked it enough.

Instead of endless remakes I wish producers would try to create new IP with similar themes. Why not try a different spin on the vampire slayer type genre?

Maybe make it, like, the vampires are actually aliens, and the "Buffy" character is half-vampire alien, and that's how she gets her powers, and all the magic elements are actually alien super science. And all her friends use that science to help her fight the aliens. I don't know, I'm just throwing the ball around.

But creativity doesn't seem to bring in the cheese now does it?

Haven't you just suggested a pretty cliché line and then chastised them for the lack of creativity?

Hmm? I never said it was entertainment gold, I was just seeing how the formula might be shaken up a bit, so that they don't need to remake a franchise. I chastise their lack of creativity because they won't take the initiative to try new things (which doesn't bring in the cheese, to reiterate). They just want to cash in on a popular franchise by digging it back up. They recast people, maybe re-write some motivations and scenarios, but ultimately it will be the name that drives the show. That's what I think is uncreative. I (as well as many other people I'm sure) have tons of ideas for shows, movies, and video games. Why do we need remakes?

Micklet:

AcacianLeaves:
Buffy without Whedon? Jesus, this might actually have a chance of being good!

Half right, a total reboot of it would be good. A serious go at the whole idea of a teenage super powered vamp slayer would be nice. Less false drama, and more real emotion.

Did you even watch Buffy?

I dare anyone look at episodes like The Gift, The Body, Seeing Red or Conversations with Dead People and say that they don't have real emotion in them.

Anya's monologue of not understanding death, despite the hundreds of years that she's seen all around the world during her life is heartbreaking.

There's a ridiculous cliché that seems to be going around with Whedon haters that he's some sort of smug and smarmy hack that only writes would-be witty banter without any meat to it. Which, if you'll ask any professional with enough spine to look at things objectively (past the whole teen girl vs. vampires thing) will say is not true.

Remaking Buffy is not only a cynical and ugly cash in at what was nothing short of TV brilliance, attempting to make a buck on the Twilight mania before it dies totally (finally!). Here's hoping that it'll go the way of the US Spaced remake, which is just as easily labeled into the same bad idea folder and thrown away without a second glance.

Does it have alot to live up to? Sure. Is it a cash-in on the twilight craze? proberbly. Is it doomed to fail becasue of just that. No. School has changed since the 90s. To each generation.....well its a new generation with new challenges. I welcome the potential. I loved the series, but not everything josh touches is gold and there is no reason some talented others can't also make something good.

So WB have finally decided to cash in on the new vmpire trend, can't say I'm surprised. The reboot could go either way and I will attempt to reserve judgement until I see it.

btw

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Oh.. first off... A role model? for whom?... other female vampire slayers?

Me for a start, just because you didn't appreciate Buffy as a role model doesn't mean that none of the rest of us did. Buffy is a genuinely strong female chracter, without being hugely patronised, masculinised or overly girly, which is kind of a rare thing.

And yes I know she does start off very girly but she gets less girly without being less feminine.

DarkPanda XIII:
Well, y'know, it's been roughly 13 years ago since the series began and 18 for the movie, why not do a -remake- of it?

I'd say give it two more years, but then I realized it may take 2 years to make anyway. So..*shrug*

Why not? Because a world of remakes is a sad one, at least in my opinion. Why not make something NEW instead? The series is so good it cannot be surpassed anyway, and its not old enough to be irrelevant. There is no point in remaking it.

If it involves hot lesbian witches I will not complain.

Buffy had a good run and ended gracefully. It shouldnt be dragged up for a quick cash in on the Twilight market (which is exactly whats going to happen). First Teen Wolf, now Buffy - stop trying to Twilightify all our sci fi programs!

I'm not a fan of the 'remake-mania' sweeping across the globe. It's lazy, underhanded and frequently awful. It's also not surprising, or preventable.

If I pitch a new movie idea it may succeed, it may flop. When you're investing $200,000,000 in a project that isn't what you want. You want the guy who says 'this brand maintained ratings of between 3.5 and 5.5million viewers throughout a 7 year lifecycle and it's name alone will generate hype.'

I don't like it, but it's basic business - take the straightest path to maximum profit.

That's always been the downfall of the medium; it's art attempting to work hand in hand with business and frankly what makes good art rarely makes good money. Van Gogh's paintings may be worth $30,000,000 now, but he couldn't give them away as toilet paper when he was alive.

Now; Buffy. I grew up with the show and adored every episode. The original movie was god-awful, but the series resonated in my teenage brain like a tuning fork and it's finale felt as epic and climactic to me as the Moon Landing probably would have.

Still, I invite a new imagining of her. I welcome the idea of an artistic re-rendering to create something totally new and different out of the source material. Key words here being NEW and ORIGINAL. Batman worked because it was on the opposite end of the spectrum to it's predecessors. SWAT, Lost in Space, the A-Team, etc didn't work because they essentially tried the same thing with a new cast, which can only be compared to the original and never stand as tall.

Unfortunately, back to the business thing, I know that they'll aim for a PG13 Twilight meets High School Musical and this will end up stinking more than vampires dumping ground. It'll also make a fortune and only encourage similar travesties.

THOSE BASTARDS!
Why do they never give us more firefly, Serenity 2 would draw me to the cinema guaranteed.

seekeroftruth86:

Hmm? I never said it was entertainment gold, I was just seeing how the formula might be shaken up a bit, so that they don't need to remake a franchise. I chastise their lack of creativity because they won't take the initiative to try new things (which doesn't bring in the cheese, to reiterate). They just want to cash in on a popular franchise by digging it back up. They recast people, maybe re-write some motivations and scenarios, but ultimately it will be the name that drives the show. That's what I think is uncreative. I (as well as many other people I'm sure) have tons of ideas for shows, movies, and video games. Why do we need remakes?

But still, you chastised them for not trying something new and suggested something old. At that point, what does it matter if they reboot Buffy or not, if they're just rehashing a different tired old plot instead?

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