The Big Picture: The Devil & Mr. Parker

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"Make a deal with the Marvel Devil. He has no idea what he's doing."

I see what you did there.

haha this was quite good

I saw the title and read the description and then I said OH SHIT THIS IS ABOUT SPIDERMAN!

Edit: Went back and watched it. The point, I think your missing it. The Devil stamped out their marriage because they had "true love", and Mephisto felt this was a fantastic way to give a fuck you to god, Cause he's the devil thats what he does.

What you need to understand is leading up to this Peter was consoled by superhero's, great sages, the soul of Aunt May, EVEN GOD HIMSELF, CAME AND SPOKE TO HIM, and told him to LET THE 90 YEAR OLD BAT FUCKING DIE BECAUSE SHE'S FUCKING 98 GODDAMN SON LKJHFJKAD but he said fuck you to everyone, his relationship, his unborn child (MJ was pregnant or heavily implied to be, making this also a pseudo abortion story)

I don't hate BND because it erased continuity, I don't give a shit - I think every comic should have a period reboot to keep shit from getting too complex. The reason I hate Quesada and BND is because it was a complete editors decision, made no sense from the characters standpoint, and has turned Peter Parker, once lovable down on his luck jokester, to a fucking loser with bad relationships whose basically, kind of a dick. The writing for him since BND has been atrocious, none of the old spidey fun or responsibility is still there, and now there's some mary sue named carlie who is an expy of Quesada's actual daughter being forced on Peter and the fans are piiissseed.

That leads into the other reason why the mainstream doesn't read comics (or rather INFORMS the other reason):

They are often REALLY stupid. For a study in this go read Final Crisis.

(Not always though. Identity Crisis was awesome, as was the main Civil War story)

My problem with One More Day is that yeah, Spiderman married wasn't AWESOME, but he's been married since I was old enough to remember. And suddenly going from a fairly-happy, slightly-nerdy married man, to a thirty-something year old loser, still living in his Aunt's basement. Trying to tell us something, Marvel? And finally, that retcon; What a fucking ass pull! "We dont want spiderman to be married anymore, how do we retcon 20 years of canon? I KNOW! A wizard did it!

should we inform bob that the deal of the devil has already been reconnect out. and instead they just got a divorce and dr. strange, tony stark and mr. fantastic did it instead. or should we just let him think comics are not that weird :P

The Devil & Mr. Parker

This week, Bob tackles a devil of a retcon.

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This is madness! The OP is the Seventh post! And I watched it two hours earlier!

The story is so convulsed that they are pretending so much Canon never happened? They're going through the plot with hedge trimmers. This is what happens when you keep a story open too long.

Calumon: Maybe they should stop? That'd make people stop complaining.

My god that plot was...stupid. Comic aren't very big in the UK (in fact i only know one show where they sell them regularly and it's about 70 miles from where i live) so i don't know anything outside basic facts and the movies.

But i was hoping you'd talk about your thoughts on the Spider-man reboot and i'd love to hear your two-cents on the subject in your awesome manner =)

psrdirector:
should we inform bob that the deal of the devil has already been reconnect out. and instead they just got a divorce and dr. strange, tony stark and mr. fantastic did it instead. or should we just let him think comics are not that weird :P

They didn't get a divorce, they still just didn't get married in the first place. Plus I think O.M.I.T is what people in the Marvel universe thinks happened as opposed to what actually did happen.

Ah man and I already sold my soul to eternal damnation for a Klondike bar...<.<

The Devil's in the details!

You would think they should just go back and try again.

Yes it's cheesy alright. But it's no worst than Hulk's nightmare that lasted for 70 or so issues. Anyone knows what about talking about. But hey, at least with Spider-Man than made something a little more complex to wipe other writers' mistakes. It's no wonder that Comics aren't popular to general audiance. It's not too complicated. It's uselessly complicated. All the twists and turn of a character that was created 50 years ago are hard to follow for new comers. Not only hard... but uninteresting, too!

Well, Quesada is an asshole, so this is just right up his alley. Even he admits the move was purely for marketing reasons. What's really sad is that EVEN AUNT MAY'S SPIRIT TELLS PETER TO MOVE ON. But instead he throws a selfish hissy fit and this bullshit happens. I don't even read comics and I know how stupid this plot was.

Poor Mephisto. He spends too much time kissing Thanos' ass and making deals with Norse gods to understand human relationships.

Yeah, um... watch the #2 pick in the following video (about 25:55). It outlines all the problems with One More Day.

http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/linkara/at4w/27731-at4w-top15comicsineverreview

BND was such a cock punch by Quesada, a man who even explicitly stated when Spidey revealed his identity, "There will be no magic retcons for this". Then he pulls a literal magic fucking retcon out of his bloated ass. Also, NO ONE CAN SAVE MAY FROM A FUCKING GUNSHOT?! Riiiiiiight, it's not as if Doctor Strange can't magic her wounds away, Reed Richards can't make a bacta tank or the X-Men, who had a guy who's sole power was to heal people NO MATTER THE WOUND, couldn't help.

Noooooo, Mary Jane had to go away because if there is one thing comic fans don't understand, it's marriage and relationship problems because we're all just a bunch of greesy misanthropes masturbating in our mom's basement, right Quesada? So now Spider-man is a weekly comic, with villain-of-the-week flavour and no complexity because Spidey is back to his swinging 60's days.

Again, punch right to the cock.

Quesada dishing out shit like this is why I stopped reading comics for quite a few years back then and pretty much the only reason I ever give MARVEL any of my money nowadays is because of stuff like Deadpool and the occasional appearance of the post-NextWave version of Machine Man. (But even then, I have my limits)

Could someone please tell me why Quesada still has a fucking job when ever since he's become chief editor at Marvel, Spider-Man and the Avengers are pure shit now?

lol Comic Book Retcons...Also Aunt May is so ancient she needs to finally move on.

i actually knew all of this despite never having read a spider man comic, sometimes i watch linkaras reviews, especially when its of a comic ive heard my fellow nerds bitch about.

thankfully i only read comics online and they mostly go for the newspaper thing with one strip gags and when i do read comic magazines its either donald duck & co (the most successful comic book in Scandinavia, with atleast 4 magazines and one book a month) or Beetle Bailey, and you cant get any safer than with Beetle Bailey, its the same joke as it was 60 years ago and the same racially insensitive minority's (in case that you dont read the strips or magazines, the black guy has a big ass afro, only listens to jazz, loves fried chicken, wears some rather strange outfits and speaks mostly in slang, the asian guy is yellow, has those very narrow "eyes", is a math genius and they make a point of showing how bad a driver he is), and i love it.

Dont comics live in their own "comic book logic" anyway?

I think thats why people believe that comics are weird... because nobody acts in a normal rational way - they act with "comic book logic". Which is totally messed up and only server the purposes of them becoming a superhero with a crappy plot.

I can only imagine what Linkara would say about this episode....

And I haven't been able to bring myself to buy Amazing Spider-man since. I was 8 when they got married, I happily read and related to married Spider-man through my teens. Whatever you think about Superman, his being married has never been a problem. Marvel has any number of characters that could fill the role of swinging bachelor if readers want to see that.

The idea that a simple gunshot wound can't be solved by Dr Strange, who probably has gods as Facebook friends, or Reed Richards who builds Ray Bradbury-style wonder machines out of whatever he happens to have handy, is irritating already. I think on some level JMS was resisting this since it's made clear Aunt May is meant to pass on (and even tells Peter to just let her go).

But that's not really the point. The point is that Spider-Man, who always does what's right, would give up his marriage to the Lord of Hell, all to save an elderly woman who by rights should have been dead at this point, and who isn't that fussed about it either. Quesada was asking me to believe that Peter would give up the woman he loves, and I refuse to accept the character would ever act so selfishly.

And Identity Crisis was a horrible story that wiped its arse on the idea that superheroes could ever be good people. I got that shit with Watchmen.

I don't really follow comics (I read Civil War recently, but that was about it) but this is a pretty different take on the whole One More Day story than what I've heard. Most of the fans I know hate Joe Quesada for it. Though I guess there's no real consensus on what does or doesn't work in the context of comic book plots.

I used to love comics. I could overlook their stupidity and just all around awfulness, because I knew that every now and then there would be a gem that would justify the entire medium.

For me it was The Ultimates.

I was eagerly waiting for The Ultimates 3, for such a long time. Everyday my anticipation grew and grew. I stuck with comics, despite things just getting worse and worse. I got tired of comics trying to pander to horny teenagers, so I started looking for more indie comics... only to find that they did the same...

But... I stuck with them... The Ultimates 3 was coming and even though it's a new writing/art team it will be awesome...

Finally it was released. I opened it up... on the very first page; Tony Stark sex tape. Which all but entirely killed comic books for me. I kept going, only to encounter the final nail in the coffin; Hawkeye looked like a douchbag.

JaredXE:
BND was such a cock punch by Quesada, a man who even explicitly stated when Spidey revealed his identity, "There will be no magic retcons for this". Then he pulls a literal magic fucking retcon out of his bloated ass. Also, NO ONE CAN SAVE MAY FROM A FUCKING GUNSHOT?! Riiiiiiight, it's not as if Doctor Strange can't magic her wounds away, Reed Richards can't make a bacta tank or the X-Men, who had a guy who's sole power was to heal people NO MATTER THE WOUND, couldn't help.

Noooooo, Mary Jane had to go away because if there is one thing comic fans don't understand, it's marriage and relationship problems because we're all just a bunch of greesy misanthropes masturbating in our mom's basement, right Quesada? So now Spider-man is a weekly comic, with villain-of-the-week flavour and no complexity because Spidey is back to his swinging 60's days.

Again, punch right to the cock.

On the bright side the man has to lose his job sometime right?

Whoops. Double post.

The really sad part is he has been married longer than being single, so it doesn't make any sense to even appeal to the "ol hip SpiderMan" because the ol hip spiderman has been hitched for decades. If you wanted to read about the young hip spiderman you had ultimate spiderman for that which also gives us a young Parker who makes sanse to still be living with his aunt and not be a loser in a basement pushing his late thirties that can't even fucking cope with death after being a hero for so long.

ha i thought this was gonna be about the new movie thats scheduled sometime soon (which will obviously bomb as you pointed out).

But that was an interesting insight. :)

Sorry Bob, but gonna have to disagree with you here. Don't mind Spidey being single, it's the way they went about doing it. The whole dealing-with-the-devil doesn't even fit the morally-upright Peter Parker. And all to save his geriatric-mother-figure? It's pretty weak

Hey, that was uncalled for.

It doesn't exist. We deny it. It was the day Spidey died.

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