The Big Picture: A Nerd By Any Other Name

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Good Points
Critique: Most sports fans would argue that they are obsessing over something athletic, which supposedly defines a difference
Counter-critique: The fans themselves are not doing anything athletic at all. So it means nothing

Hubert South:
Japanotards are not nerds.

By the way, the _ONLY_ thing separating, in this context (however limited it might be), sport fandom and nerd fandom, is time.

Sport nerds have been aroundf for 5000 years. Nerds for 50.

O_O

ARCHIMEDES WAS A COLLOSAL NERD. Seriously, he used math to solve so many problems.

And arguably, one could consider the Spartans to be Nerds, what with them being so close knit and all

Great one Bob. I suggest that we start calling sports fan 'sports nerds' from now on. We have the internet, we can make it catch on.

Also I was going to buy a tee shirt that was styled like an Enterprise soccer jersey. But my size run out :-( I'll definitively get it when it's reprinted though.

Excellent, excellent episode.

Good content, good commentary.

Also, the use of faces is much improved - they really seemed to contribute to this video. Great job, Bob.

Man, I don't know if I'm with you on this one. I agree that sports fans are nerds but I'm not sure if we should be coming together. We may have interests that are close to the same but they aren't the same. I find most sports to be boring (that's just me, I have nothing against sports but they bore me to tires) and most of the sports fans I've met find DnD and WoW to be worthless. My point is mainly that we wouldn't have anything to talk about.

I'm my school's mascot. I dislike the idea of being called a "furry".

Actually I think the difference of the two "nerds" is as simple as Reality/Fantasy.
And when being overly obsessive with some kind of hobby it's either an escapist action or say a career.
Like say if a sports fan loves the sport so much he actually takes it up and plays for a team (that's a career). But then again maybe it's just an excuse to drink with his friends.

A classic nerd though usually does cosplay, theories and etc. Cosplay might give you sewing skills, but a career that is not. Becoming a sci-fi writer or entertainer a-la Bob however is...

But in the big picture, society considers sports more "healthy" and the fans have a patriotic connection (YOUR hometown or YOUR country).
While nerds are viewed as escapists, who are... escaping the hardships of life.

But in truth, both are pretty similar.

You make a good point Bob, esp considering all the stats and whatever that's involved in sports.

Twihards = Yankees fans.
Yes.

Oh My God... I never... Beautifully done Bob. I never saw it before but it is, exactly as you said, mirror image. But they can't come together, how often do two sects of nerddom come together peacefully?

Nice low blow against the yankees bob I approve.

Archaneus:
There's one simple reason this won't happen and that's a non-trivial fundamental difference between nerds and "sports nerds." Nerds/geeks tend to be in the higher intellectual brackets than the average man... not even close to true for "sports nerds."

No.

Makes sense.

I thought of this comparison myself after the very first time I saw a dictionary define the word 'nerd'.

That dictionary defined it as something along the lines of this:
"A person with an obsessive interest in a particular subject"

And... Considering the old Nerd/Jock jokes, combined with that definition, it seemed immediately apparent that technically, the sports nuts were in fact, also nerds.

Go figure.

I love that Bob got an all-purpose soap box. Even on the occasions I don't entirely agree, you're entertaining.

Today, I totally agree. The term "sports nerd" sounds like an oxymoron, but it's surprisingly obvious now that you point it out.

HentMas:
actually that is NOT a good point
there is actually ONE MAYOR DIFFERENCE between sports fans and "geeks/nerds/watever"

the sports fans support and show appreciation for REAL PEOPLE

"Superman" is "Babe Ruth"? thats not right, superman never existed, Babe ruth on the other hand is a REAL sports hero, he DID played and showed superiority, Superman comes from the imagination of some guy

that is the Difference.

How about Starcraft nerds?
They support REAL people too.
Players like:
Slayer_Boxer
Flash
TLO
White_Ra
Day[9]

and why does this have to do with "real people"?
Them be real or not is not even relevant, unless you are on their team or you are doing business with them.

A nerd can never (could ever) kick your ass in soccer or whatever. Its the concept of manliness (masculinity if I may) you're forgetting Bob (yeah, even for girls as well). Nerds will always be categorized for being skinny, glasses-wearing rejects of regular society, while football fans and alike are those tough, athletic dudes and popular cheerleaders. See, these two "categories" never mix together and never will. Their own culture might have some similarities with one another, but ultimately, it is society that defines their roles and how people project on them.

I agree with everything except for the Japan-loving folks. (Mainly, the ones that put down dubs and anything non-Japanese?)

They're way, way lower than nerds could ever hope to be.

Meh. Hardcore fans of anything could be argued to be nerds. It doesn't make them similar. Sports fanatics are incredibly different from nerds as far as personality is concerned. Sports may not be important, but they are at least real. A sports fan doesn't confuse fantasy with reality unless he/she is a stalker. I'm just saying.

Also a jersey is NOT a costume. It would need pads too. No one thinks they are dressing up as Bret Farve when they put on his jersey, they're just showing off the fact that they like him. This point was stupid. Sure one dresses up as someone to show they like them, but dressing up as someone entails deliberately wanting to appear as though you are that person. This is not what people who wear jerseys intend.

Yes people besides nerds obsess over things. A nerd, however, is defined by obsessing over a particular set of subject matter. It might not be right, but that's the way it is.

dragonshardz:
A nerd can never (could ever) kick your ass in soccer or whatever. Its the concept of manliness (masculinity if I may) you're forgetting Bob (yeah, even for girls as well). Nerds will always be categorized for being skinny, glasses-wearing rejects of regular society, while football fans and alike are those tough, athletic dudes and popular cheerleaders. See, these two "categories" never mix together and never will. Their own culture might have some similarities with one another, but ultimately, it is society that defines their roles and how people project on them.

Erm... I played football for five years yet I play video games etc. Wouldn't say that I'm a hard core nerd or anything but you're just being a bit too much of an absolutist.

Mr.Squishy:
Bob, I love you in a totally non-gay way right now.

So do I, Bob.

I was thinking about this last weekend when a friend of mine was talking about fantasy football. I get called a nerd so much, but I in no way embody the terrible stereotypes that were originally associated with the term.

The only thing really separating me from most other white male 20 somethings is my love of Science!

I don't think it's fair it compare football jerseys to costumes, but whatever.
Other than that, really nice video. I had low hopes for the series when you started out with that Halo video but I'm changing my tune now.

Browncoats = Raiders fans.

I laugh because I'm both.

This, THIS was probably the best BP to date. Interesting subject, quotable lines, and no diverging subjects. Well done.

Sports nerds and "Standard" Nerds don't get along because the greatest enemy of nerds are other nerds. Star Wars versus Star Trek, Marvel versus DC, Xbox versus Sega, Twilight versus uh.... Beenie Babies, I guess.

And now Sports versus Sci-Fi and genre. It's not out of place, the rivalry is exactly where it should be.

DN83:
I'm my school's mascot. I dislike the idea of being called a "furry".

What do you have against furs?

HentMas:
actually that is NOT a good point
there is actually ONE MAYOR DIFFERENCE between sports fans and "geeks/nerds/watever"

the sports fans support and show appreciation for REAL PEOPLE

"Superman" is "Babe Ruth"? thats not right, superman never existed, Babe ruth on the other hand is a REAL sports hero, he DID played and showed superiority, Superman comes from the imagination of some guy

that is the Difference.

Superman has arguably done more for humanity than Babe Ruth, I mean, Superman came out in 1938 and seriously improved the morale of the US which helped them recover from the Great Depression and helped them cope with the second World War.

Not bad for a character created by a Canadian.

What did Ruth ever do?

Other than hit balls with a stick?

Hubert South:
Japanotards are not nerds.

By the way, the _ONLY_ thing separating, in this context (however limited it might be), sport fandom and nerd fandom, is time.

Sport nerds have been aroundf for 5000 years. Nerds for 50.

Not a Japan nerd myself but that entire video was about what you just did! You put down a form of nerdiness that you yourself isn't into or doesn't understand. Which is the same mentality that sports nerds have when they hate on comic book, video game, math, or dnd nerds. You watched that whole video and didn't gleen that it wasn't about jock vs nerd hate but one form of nerd vs another form of nerd hate?

Seriously?

Excellent video Bob, clearly the best The Big Picture yet.

I have been saying basically the same thing about the similarity of sports fans and nerds/geeks for years and to anyone who would listen. Living outside North America really hammers home the point about how inconsequential the outcome of a sports game is. Locals don't care, the news doesn't cover it, chances are other ex-pats don't care either or root for another team. You have to engage in nerd-like behaviour to satisfy your fix, like staying up late and watching a baseball game with colour commentary in a foreign language and no subtitles.

I don't have a problem with sports or sports fans per se, but like you, I can't understand why their obsessive behaviour is socially acceptable while ours is not.

HentMas:
actually that is NOT a good point
there is actually ONE MAYOR DIFFERENCE between sports fans and "geeks/nerds/watever"

the sports fans support and show appreciation for REAL PEOPLE

"Superman" is "Babe Ruth"? thats not right, superman never existed, Babe ruth on the other hand is a REAL sports hero, he DID played and showed superiority, Superman comes from the imagination of some guy

that is the Difference.

HentMas:

omegawyrm:

HentMas:
actually that is NOT a good point
there is actually ONE MAYOR DIFFERENCE between sports fans and "geeks/nerds/watever"

the sports fans support and show appreciation for REAL PEOPLE

"Superman" is "Babe Ruth"? thats not right, superman never existed, Babe ruth on the other hand is a REAL sports hero, he DID played and showed superiority, Superman comes from the imagination of some guy

that is the Difference.

Yet they've both done the exact same amount of good for people.

By this logic it's actually more impressive for Superman since he has managed to inspire people without ever actually existing.

actually its more in "par" with people thinking "HEY!! ABRAHAM LINCOLN WAS A GREAT MAN!" and another one saying "HEY!!! SUPERMAN WAS A GREAT MAN!!!"

they are pushing up "imaginary" people, wich in the eyes of this guys say the person doing this is childish and as such doesnt really deserve the "repect" we all other grown ups that actually believe in real things have

oh!!!, before you flame me, im just stating what people believe i have had this same discussion beforewithy friends and they actually told me that, dont get me wrong,i cosplay and do a lot of "Nerd" stuff, but i do see their point in that they would rather praise someone "tangible" than something "made up"

dont know if you understand what i mean.

Yes, other forms of nerds worship imaginary figures someone has made up for the public while sports nerds worship the persona sports stars show the public. Those... don't seem to be all the different.

Take Babe Ruth for example. Great guy. Womanizer, alcoholic, died from mouth cancer from chewing for years, great base ball player. What do people worship. The great base ball player they see on the field. Not the real, flawed, man.

You only see what they want you to see. You only idolize their public persona. That makes them as imaginary as Superman.

ReiverCorrupter:
Also a jersey is NOT a costume. It would need pads too. No one thinks they are dressing up as Bret Farve when they put on his jersey, they're just showing off the fact that they like him. This point was stupid. Sure one dresses up as someone to show they like them, but dressing up as someone entails deliberately wanting to appear as though you are that person. This is not what people who wear jerseys intend.

When I wear a coat that I edited to look like an anime character's (specifically Ed's from Fullmetal Alchemist) people call it a costume. I'm not dressing up like him I just want to show I support that series.

I was seriously just having this conversation with my brother today: Paint your body half orange, half Brown, wear a dog mask and wave a bone in the air, you're a Browns fan; but paint your body blue, put on a cat mask and wave a recreation of a Na'vi spear in the air, and you are a NEERRRRRDDDDD!

A friend of mine did a show on the local cable access channel, and wanted to do a skit pointing out this paradox: in it, you would show two superfans in an elevator. They would be going over every single fact about the last season their team got to the championship(stats, best line up, mvp), when the elevator door opens up, and two "nerds" (for best results, these guys are only in like comic/sci-fi t-shirts) get into the elevator, having a similarly lively discussion about "nerd stuff". After they get out, the two superfans roll their eyes and laugh at the "nerds"(maybe making all the cliche jokes). Then they bust out their facepaint, jersies, wigs, foam fingers and other items of "team support". As they get ready to leave, they comment that they could never understand how anyone could get so worked up about something soooo stupid as whatever it was the "nerds" were into.

Never got around to filming it though....

I have a friend who only got into watching sports for the nerdish side (and he knows it). If he's not obsessing over stats and managing a fantasy team, he doesn't care.

The big picture kept skipping.

"nerds express their devotion of something by turning it into an equation - see role playing game."

I've almost never heard such a subjective personal statement from anybody. The reason role playing games use mathematics is because of several other factors unrelated to today's topic. It's stunning how little this statement looks at anything, and kind of gives us an insight into bob's life if you really wanted to look deeply.

They are instead called fanatics (not fans even though that is the short form), not nerds, it gives people up here the same reaction to see them walking around in a jersey. Also, a costume and cosplay is more than just a piece of clothing, by you're reaction if I wear a black hooded sweatshirt and pants, i'm cosplaying a mugger.

A quick answer as to why they don't come together: THEY DO, OR DON'T WANT TO. I am a "nerd" who watches sports. I don't have a compelling reason to do so, I do it because I'm bored and it kills time, but you get into the game and enjoy yourself. Those who don't, don't have any interest in the matter to begin with. I love video games, I've played sports games, although I've never once bought one, I know sports fans who buy the newest game only to trade it in next year when the new edition comes out, if they don't, they never wanted to play the game to begin with, only watch. You can never force a football fan to like an anime fan, they do or they don't as a person which you probably will only alienate if you try to talk about mixing groups as if they were two seperate species. Asking a person why they prefer A to B comes down to personal preference and grouping them only makes it harder for them to mix.

My idea of why they can't come together: People hate themselves. "Nerds" and their sports counter parts are just like each other enough for them to hate each other but JUST different enough for them to say they're nothing alike.

Also to everyone debating the reality of all of this: STOP.

Stop right now. Think. Each person described in Bob's little similarity montage actually does the same thing. Babe Ruth increased morale and distracted people from recognizing issues of America that people didn't feel they should focus on in order to feel patriotic. Superman increased morale and distracted people from recognizing issues of America that people didn't feel they should focus on in order to feel patriotic. Think of what every side does.

Our hobbies are really just distractions of real issues in our countries. That's what they are. That's what they've always been. That's what they'll always be. Morale boosters. Doesn't mean they can't be meaningful but that does mean that they are distracting you from the unsightly issues of your specific country.

It's an interesting point, but there's a problem with your football jersey analogy. You would not receive strange looks while wearing a football jersey around in public, that much is true. If, however, you were to wear the pants as well I'd bet you'd get some double takes. And that's without even getting into the pads, cleats, and helmet.

The notion of people dressing up or painting themselves when going to football games being the sports equivalent of cosplayers attending conventions on the other hand, that's a much harder thing to dismiss.

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