Please Stop Making Me Hate The Simpsons

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Ah what a well written informative article.

I fully agree: if during the glory days The Simpsons was a stallion, it is now but a cardboard box, a toilet tube - with misshapen eyes proudly displayed on the sides - and the word 'Horse' written on the side, with the 'S' the wrong way around. A crying shame.

Sadly, the way it works is that if 5 million people LOVE a show, and 8 million people think another show is '...alright I s'pose', to the network, the latter show is better, it's getting 8 million vaguely distracted viewers. It just seems to be better business sense to churn out inoffensive mediocrity than bother to make something awe inspiring that might not appeal to the widest demographic.

Hence, cheap and simple reality shows that even pay for themselves with premium rate vote lines, where drama and comedy used to be.

The critic and the tick are the only two shows I agree with...might be because I've never seen the others. I also used to love the tick cartoon show.

SPOOOOOON!

Trucken:

Elizabeth Grunewald:
Please Stop Making Me Hate The Simpsons

Explain to me why everything good gets canceled, and the now-unfunny Simpsons marches on.

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Since Fox still has three seasons to apologize for, I give you the show that someone should be smacked in the head for cancelling:

Titus.

This show, that so many seem to have missed, had three seasons of comedy excellence. It was evil, raw, honest and outright hilarious. It didn't pull any punches ("Of course Erin can get pretty angry. She's got that Irish temper. But, she's Northern Irish, so we don't fight, she just puts a bomb in my car.") and offended everybody ("You built me a cop magnet! I might as well be a black guy driving a large powdered doughnut!"). But damn it, it was hilarious while doing so.

This ^ I freaking loved this show does anyone know if it's out on dvd?

Arrested Development was the greatest show on television...i don't care what you have to say about that...that show was pure brilliance...i guess not everything that glitters is gold...but as long as its yellow you can continue to air it for 22 seasons...

that being said...i hate the simpsons...never liked it never will...

flame shield raised...

I think your misunderstanding the influance of the mainstream on TV. The Simspons might seem unfunny to you after all this time, but then agin your here on "The Escapist". Odddly I think you overestimate the everyman. Ask yourself how things like Pro-Wrestling continue on, and they have been around longer than "The Simpsons".

"The Simpsons" is one of those rare productions that hits solidly in that 'sweet spot' for the everyman. It's simple, uncomplicated, and can make your typical person chuckle and think themselves clever. It takes someone outside the mainstream to really look at it and go "you know this is really pretty insipid".

On top of that the series has become iconic. "The Simpsons" have spawned a merchandising empire and become as well known as Disney characters and the like. What's more you'll notice that "Universal Studios" has a pretty substantial ride and an area built up around it as one of their attractions to compete with Disney.

I'd imagine the show gets automatically green lit because it rakes in tons of dough. What's more it's doubtlessly seen as being "safe" territory for advertisers and has decent guaranteed viewership, and thus represents prime advertising real estate.

You really can't critique Fox for going where the money is, when most of the shows mentioned really didn't have that large of a mainstream following as far as I can tell.

"Firefly" is perhaps the one exception there, as I think that one was pretty heavily followed due to it following the the coattails of "Buffy". The issue wasn't one where I think the show got nailed because of the show, or the audience, it was because of Joss Whedon himself who was supposed to have been in fights over creative control of his own productions.

Back when this was current I remember reading allegations that the big reason why the last season of Buffy was lacking was because Jos was having the network dictate to him what he was going to do, and forcing him to insert characters for the sake of political correctness. Apparently a few of the potential slayers wound up getting forced in by network executives and he was forced to write things to give them "X" amount of screen time. The arguements being that Buffy was "too whitewashed" and they needed to put more minorities into the show. According to rumors the whole bit with the principal being a demon slayer (and the whole sub plot leading to his fight with Spike) was also the result of forced insertation. The whole season being a "design by politically correct committee" affair.

While "Firefly" was hardly whitewashed, and had exactly the people Joss wanted in it, apparently his reputation in the industry was so bad both from "Buffy" and "Angel" and he was seen as such an uncontrollable force, that he was pretty much slated for the axe, the following he could garner, and the amount of money he could make, being irrelevent since the powers that were couldn't deal with having someone involved who was getting away being bigger than the networks.

Whie Sci-Fi Channel briefly considered picking up "Angel" and claimed they wouldn't do it as a bad business move, due to having to compete with their own show's previous episodes in syndication on other networks, allegedly they didn't want to deal with him either.

That's all rumor and supposition of course, since nobody knows much about what actually happened. While the details might be off, I did definatly get the vibe that his name was mush with the networks and that is why his shows were killed.

Zachary Amaranth:

Shoggoth2588:
I really miss The Tick...thanks for reminding me. Futurama is back and I never cared for any of those other shows...how about Greg the Bunny!?

Are we talking Unhappily Ever After?

There was a show called Greg the Bunny. Unhappily Ever After was a terrible show that was like Married With Children, but had a stuffed animal, played by Bobcat Goldwaith, that only the father could talk to and hear.

Grey the Bunny, which I found hilarious, was a satire of Sesame Street. It portrayed the puppets as real and who were just actors on a show. The puppets were pretty fucked up and I remember one who had a drug problem.

Everyone, start watching Community. AWESOME show.
Here's a couple examples, these are just from short skits they do at the end of the episodes, usually completely unrelated to anything.



(yes, that's Chevy Chase :D)

The series was great all the way to season 10. It dropped in quality after that (gradually at first) but then certain episodes (like that crappy Brazil episode) managed to make the show awful. It has a few good moments now and then, but it's gotten pretty bad. I think the root of it all is how they've changed Homer since it all started. He seems to be stupid, more violent, and just downright annoying. I remember he used to be just ignorant and not flat out dumb as a brick. I remember when he wasn't such a violent maniac (I forgive the Shining Parody moment though because that is classic).

Plus, focus seemed to shift from the small down of Springfield to bigger places. It's sort of what South Park is doing now, and probably suffering for. Notice how South Park doesn't use any more of the old recurring characters we all used to love watching? (chef is excusable for obvious reasons). Simpsons did that first and when they seemed to notice it was a problem, they tried to fix it by incorporating those supporting characters into bigger roles in the bigger places. Unfortunately they flopped too.

I'll say this, I'm upset about Arrested Development. Futurama came back and I wasn't too upset by its leaving because Simpsons was still good at the time (and I think I was starting to get into anime at the time anyway so I was distracted). But Arrested Developement just seems like Fox was lazy or something. The other canceled shows can go to hell for all I care. AD was great. Futurama too. Simpsons can be great if the writers look back at what the old episodes did and try to recapture some of the creativity and heartfelt moments from back in the day. (Lisa's Sax and Lisa's First Word are two great episodes that prove my point).

Maybe we should have the characters actually grow up? It's been 22 damn years. I wouldn't oppose to seeing Bart & Lisa in High School. I wouldn't oppose to seeing Maggie as a kid and not a baby. Anything to change the established formula so it shows you're trying something. Christ.

psrdirector:
The simpsons are a hell of allot more interesting and informative then this drivel you wrote.

I agree, (i didn't read all of it, only up to the part where its first mentioned about season 10) this is just another person bitching and whining that "it was only good till a certain season". That just really pisses me off, what would you rather have? Less Simpsons and more Family Guy? No thank you!!!

psrdirector:
The simpsons are a hell of allot more interesting and informative then this drivel you wrote.

Allow me to summarize:

"Boo hoo. Shows I like got cancelled. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!"

Yes, we all know that Fox is run by morons, but most of the morons are the viewers who tune out on the good shows, so blame lies there as well. However, liking the obscure show does not mean your taste is any better than someone else's, just different.

I don't dislike the simpsons, its just getting to the point where all the characters are becoming exageratted stereotypes, i mean look at ned flanders, in the earlier simpsons he was a dedicated member of the church, in the latest seasons he's become a preachy little so&so , just look at "To Surveil With Love"

Dutchie_Diatribe:

Trucken:

Elizabeth Grunewald:
Please Stop Making Me Hate The Simpsons

Explain to me why everything good gets canceled, and the now-unfunny Simpsons marches on.

Read Full Article

Since Fox still has three seasons to apologize for, I give you the show that someone should be smacked in the head for cancelling:

Titus.

This show, that so many seem to have missed, had three seasons of comedy excellence. It was evil, raw, honest and outright hilarious. It didn't pull any punches ("Of course Erin can get pretty angry. She's got that Irish temper. But, she's Northern Irish, so we don't fight, she just puts a bomb in my car.") and offended everybody ("You built me a cop magnet! I might as well be a black guy driving a large powdered doughnut!"). But damn it, it was hilarious while doing so.

This ^ I freaking loved this show does anyone know if it's out on dvd?

Yeah, it's available on DVD, I bought it a few years ago.

Trucken:

Elizabeth Grunewald:
Please Stop Making Me Hate The Simpsons

Explain to me why everything good gets canceled, and the now-unfunny Simpsons marches on.

Read Full Article

Since Fox still has three seasons to apologize for, I give you the show that someone should be smacked in the head for cancelling:

Titus.

This show, that so many seem to have missed, had three seasons of comedy excellence. It was evil, raw, honest and outright hilarious. It didn't pull any punches ("Of course Erin can get pretty angry. She's got that Irish temper. But, she's Northern Irish, so we don't fight, she just puts a bomb in my car.") and offended everybody ("You built me a cop magnet! I might as well be a black guy driving a large powdered doughnut!"). But damn it, it was hilarious while doing so.

I agree. Titus was, and still is, incredible.

And those other shows were also simply amazing. Especially Firefly/Arrested Development. Although I think Arrested Dev did end in a logical fashion which arguably made the show better than if it had continued, rather than cutting off with huge mysteries unsolved (What is Book's relationship with the Alliance?!?!?). Serenity was a nice addition to the series, but still left me hanging on several points.

The Simpsons: Should have been cancelled 12 years ago.
Family Guy: Should be cancelled soon.
Firefly: Shouldn't have been cancelled for another five years or so.

These "Simpsons aren't as good as they used to be" diatribes (from this site as well as many others) really mean that the writer doesn't really watch new episodes of The Simpsons, but instead catches a rerun or two in syndication which are usually rotating seasons 13 through 18. I'll admit that the quality really seemed to sag those years, but season 20 onward after the movie came out have really improved. I'd say about 70 to 80 percent of the episodes from the last two or three years qualify as pretty good and certainly much better than most programming on TV.

Honestly, I don't even feel I can make a fair assessment of the "dark period" until I get ahold of all the DVD sets. So much of The Simpsons lore is steeped in nostalgia and maturity level that it's really unfair to hold a okay cartoon against that one story that you genuinely loved and shrieked at as a child, not mention the ever changing writing staff. Also, The Critic isn't nearly as good as you remember it being. Rewatch some of those first episodes and see that much of the humor is flat and dated, not to mention the animation looks like garbage. I still liked the show, but you're telling me that "The Cockroach King" is funnier than Nazi Dumbo last week?

And Futurama is still on and many people hate the new shows (because they're wrong and completely lack perspective). What was that Mayor Quimby quote again?
"You people are nothing but a pack of fickle mush-heads!"
"He's right!"
"Give us hell, Quimby!"

Was talking about Firefly and such earlier, discussing cancelled shows and ones that should of been canned. I should point him in this direction.

"Jurassic Bark." - Man I loved that episode...

I was a simpsons fan that knew everything about the show, and watched every episode since day one in '89, but then it started to suck, and then it got worse... and worse... and oh yet another episode completely written around a celebrity instead of just being a voice actor for a character.

The show ended for me when Marge got buff and raped Homer.

Yet Arrested Developent got the axe instead. RIP.
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Quiet Stranger:
I agree, (i didn't read all of it, only up to the part where its first mentioned about season 10) this is just another person bitching and whining that "it was only good till a certain season". That just really pisses me off, what would you rather have? Less Simpsons and more Family Guy? No thank you!!!

Considering the article's author very specifically listed shows she'd rather have, I find your 'Family Guy' comment a little odd. And considering how you will find 'Family Guy', 'The Cleveland Show', and 'American Dad' all following the Simpsons, we already have far more 'Family Guy' than we need, really.

Or are we going to argue those three shows are distinct and unique entities?

That said, good article, and I enjoyed it. My one thought on it? While The Simpsons are cerrtainly past their prime Fox is guilty of far worse shows that continue to air. I'd cancel anything Reality before the Simspons.

I can't speak for all of the shows listed in the article as I haven't been a serious TV watcher for ages, but I agree that the Simpsons has seriously gone downhill. I've been watching some of this season's episodes and they are just terrible. I don't know if it's even correct to label a show a comedy if you're lucky to get one decent laugh per episode, never mind consistent laughter or at least a single really good laugh.

I'm really ticked off the Fox canceled King of the Hill, I loved that show to death. ;_;

I liked Drive. I thought it was pretty cool.

>.>

That's all I got.

The Simpsons isn't opposed to changing. I haven't watched actively since probably 2001, but the key to staying power (look at facebook vs myspace wow vs any other mmo early pc vs mac against mac's reinvention*) They evolve, and thus they continue.

Jurassic Bark made me cry whilst watching it, and kept my previously anti-cartoon step-father glued throughout. A brilliant episode, by all accounts.

I hate to be one of the people saying this, because it sounds kind of desperate, but the most recent season of the simpsons has actually been good, in a move that shocked me and many others.
Although it's blown away by the new season of futurama...

The simpsons are fine. I think more hate should be placed on Glee.

I cannot stand that show.

Reminds me of the opening joke of season 4 of Family Guy

Peter: Everybody, I got bad news - we've been cancelled.
Lois: Oh, no. Peter, how can they do that?
Peter: Well, unfortunately, Lois, there's just no more room on the schedule. We just gotta accept the fact that Fox has to make room for terrific shows like:
Dark Angel
Titus
Undeclared
Action
That 80's Show
Wonderfalls
Fastlane
Andy Richter Controls The Universe
Skin
Girls Club
Cracking Up
The Pits
Firefly
Get Real
Freaky Links
Wanda At Large
Costello
The Lone Gunmen
A Minute With Stan Hooper
Normal, Ohio
Pasadena
Harsh Realm
Keen Eddie
The Street
American Embassy
Cedric The Entertainer
The Tick
Arrested Development
Louie
and Greg The Bunny.
Lois: Is there no hope?
Peter: Well, I suppose if ALL those shows go down the tubes we might have a shot.

But I haven't watched an episode of the Simpsons since Season 7 or 8, and I don't want to. I remember when the series was funny. Even Family Guy is going downhill, and Adult Swim is trying its hardest to

A) Kill Anime
B) Die a horrible death from showing Tim and Eric for any reason

If it wasn't for ESPN and a few small shows on Nicktoons Network and Cartoon Network, I wouldn't watch TV at all.

Duffeknol:
While they're at it, kill Family Guy too. That show hasn't made an actual joke since season 3.

They did kill it. Then they brought it back using dark magic.

I agree though, season 3 was the point where Family Guy stopped being funny. There were bright spots, but they're few and far between.

"I watched the series, and laughed loud and heartily, and you must have heard me, because you canceled it. " - regarding Futurama. This phrase made me laugh through my nose and it hurts but thank you.

To be fair the run of the Simpsons had little or nothing to do with the status of these shows. It's mostly ratings driven. Although it's fair to note that Fox screwed up in the scheduling of Futurama and Firefly.

Firefly and Futurama are the only two on there that were really good, and were mistreated. The Critic was ok but had it's run on Fox and ABC. Arrested Development was the most overrated piece of crap I've ever seen and the Tick just plain sucked.

This reminds me of a scene in John Birmingham's 'Axis of Time' trilogy, about a bunch of naval ships from 2024 that get sent back in time to 1942. Someone asks a character what they're got saved from the future, and she replies 'all three decades of the Simpsons. Yeah, I'm regretting that now.' or something like that. Of course, this is also the universe where Pearl Harbor 2: Back on the Beaches was made, so maybe its some kind of reality where horrible tv and movies last way too long.

Nurb:

The show ended for me when Marge got buff and raped Homer.

I love how the rape of a man played for laughs is completely fine, but if anyone ever tried to do that with a woman there'd be hell to pay.

Eh firefly....Probably one of the best TV series I've ever seen, seriously on par with the masterpieces by HBO (Oz, not Sex & the City). But hey, corporate politics and just utter disconnection between CEO's & the public isn't a new thing.

I can admit that the Simpsons have been around for probably a bit too long. Sometimes it feels like the episodes have gotten a little stale. However, a show that has pretty much done everything will feel like that after awhile.

And while I don't find the Simpsons to be as funny anymore, I still love the show. When I watch Family Guy/American Dad/Cleveland Show, I occasionally say to myself, "Why am I watching this?"

Then I turn on the Simpsons and tend to like it more. Course, thats my own personal thing.

Though I am in agreement that there are shows on Fox that really shouldn't have been cancelled. I really loved that show Drive. The show only aired 4(though I think there was more, but only online for some reason) episodes, and the schedule kept getting moved around. A shame, cause I heard they had the whole season planned out and everything.

I'm a little worried about Fringe because its getting moved to the Friday night slot if I'm not mistaken. Hopefully everything will be ok.

The Simpsons jumped the shark with "Who Shot Mr. Burns?" and the show has been in a freefall ever since. But since it's now the longest running Sitcom of all time, it would seem to me the true goal is for them to dethrone Gunsmoke as the longest running production show of all time. (Discounting News or Sports programs.) So expect them to hang around for at least 8 or 9 more seasons of utter garbage.

Yeah, caught an episode of Simpsons last year and was horrified by how flat it fell, compared to what I was watching whilst at school. Nothing really amusing, characters that were two dimensional and seemed to just be delivering on a cliched script - I guess that's what happens when you go nowhere after so many seasons :/

PS. Bring back Firefly !m!(-.-)!m!

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