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Stop. Hammer Time!

Behold, mortals! MovieBob doth verily breaketh down yonder Thor trailer!

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This is a re-cut version of the trailer shown at Comic-Con (I believe). In that, we have a shot of Odin sick and/or dying, and Frigga handing Gungnir (Odin's spear) to Loki: "The line of succession falls to you."

I don't know if this will make the final cut of the film, but it's interesting, to say the least.

I'm intrigued, knowing basically nothing about Thor myself. Bob, I'm really loving these trailer breakdowns. Your insane knowledge of comics really helps get more appreciation from the crafting of these movies in seeing how faithful (or not) they are.

EDIT: Whoops, double post.

Well for someone who has never been all that into Thor I'm pretty interested.

Oh yes, I'm even more excited now! Kind of a cliched plot, but that's okay, because Thor is awesome. I wonder what the average Joe knows about Norse mythology, anyway? True to fashion for Joe and his fellows, I'd wager, "less than I'd think."

Also: Ancient Astronauts? Nonsense!

So,
in the Thor canon, Norse gods are actually aliens/interdimensional beings?
Man, that's heavy.

Overall, great trailer. I just wanna see more.

Alright so here's the thing: I love Marvel comics. Love. Love. Love. Love. Right now even, I have an unread copy of this week's Avengers Academy sitting there staring at me, begging to love it. That being said, I should make one thing very clear:

Of all the Marvel heroes, Thor is the one who should not exist. (and Valkyrie but she's basically a female Thor)

Here is my reason why.

Thor breaks the Marvel universe. Just look at the lineup that we have going into it: Fantastic Four, The Hulk, X-Men, Spider-man, Daredevil, Iron Man, Dr. Pym (Ant Man/Wasp), Hawkeye, Captain America, and many many more.

Every single hero on that list is either one of two things: A scientist who got caught up in an experiment gone wrong, or a regular (or irregular) guy who came across a strange set of circumstances and now chooses to deal with it by being a hero.

And then there is Thor. While he does technically fall into the second of the categories that I listed, the powers that he attains make him LITERALLY a god. It changes the entire mythology of the Marvel universe(s), in a way that, in my opinion, is not for the better.

Up until the point of Thor, Marvel had a really real theme going with their works (or as reals as you can in the comic book world). All of the places that are shown, with the exception of specific structures and alternate timelines are actually real world places that evolve and change around the heroes depending on the time that the comic was released.

I like Thor as a character, and love him as an Avenger. But I don't like what his presence does to the universe as a whole.

If you will, some extraneous digression:
Am I the only one who's already thinking about the obligatory post-credits tease to the Avengers/Captain America in this movie? Here are my guesses:
-Black Widow, Nick Fury and/or Iron Man showing up to meet Thor talking about needing help to find "someone"
-A tease of the new Hulk, probably about to rumble with Thor.
-Footage of an avalanche in Antartica, with a glimpse at a frozen Steve Rogers. For obvious reasons, the first thing you notice is the shield.
-Iron Man and/or Thor find the frozen Steve Rogers in the middle of the ocean. The structure of the scene would be similar to the reveal of Mjolnir in Iron Man 2.

This looks good. Now we just have to hope that they get Captain America right.

Nice to see Bob taking a sane stance on this whole Idris Elba thing, looks like most of the civilized world is falling in step behind sanity and declaring "unusual, but probably a good choice" and expressing sadness at how ludicrous the reactions to this guy will be from the puristsL

"You don't cast a black man to play a white norse god in a film adaptation of a fantastical sci-fi influenced re-imagining of our interpretation of something that was just made up in the first place!"

The Fanboys:

"WTF why supporting character black?! he wasn't black in the comics!!1! WTF is this shit?!?!"

And in the "nutjob" camp, we have this astounding contender:

"Why black man play white man? this is political correctness gone mad! evil liberal agendas! the work of white-hating foreign cultures infiltrating ours! this is all proof that our culture is under threat, and that we need to fight to defend it! SEGREGATION! Wait, shit, we were supposed to slowly edge towards the segregation thing, not say it loud! Dammit, now even less people will take us cereal!"

o baby baby its coming together. Just love how insignificant Mjolnir looks. Epic for a hammer of godly power to be well understated XD

Man if thats how they look like in the comic, they really do look silly IRL XD (still glad they chose to be faithful)

Now time to make plans to see TRON. And i have a company party to go too booo >.<

I just know people no familiar with the comics or unwilling to suspend their disbelief are going to complain about this, but I just think it's all so awesome.

Also, thanks for showing me Clarke's three laws.

Thor is definitely the biggest obstacle in the Avengers agenda. He's a good hero and character, but the movie-going public might be sceptical. This is the one that will rely more on the comic fans more than any other one. And Marvel is doing a good job appealing to that crowd.

I'll probably go see this when it comes out, although I suppose it would be wise to do like a norseman and drink myself silly, in the hopes of forgetting all Norse mythology, so I won't scream and yell at the movie about fucking it up so much.

Jenx:
I'll probably go see this when it comes out, although I suppose it would be wise to do like a norseman and drink myself silly, in the hopes of forgetting all Norse mythology, so I won't scream and yell at the movie about fucking it up so much.

How many times am I going to have to re-iterate this on various threads?
It's a fantastical sci-fi influenced re-imagining of our interpretation of something that is imaginary.

Am I the only one who thinks that step-by-stepping the trailer is more or less pointless? Most of the stuff mentioned isn't that hard to surmise and most of the comic minutia mentioned seems more or less irrelevant. It was a good article cop-out once, but it's getting tiring. I'd be much happier with a more solid analysis/prediction rather than telling me what I've already seen.

As for the movie, still skeptical. As long as he spends a decent amount of time smashing in Giants faces and not too much time as a mortal (who does a lot of ridiculous double-footed kicks, apparently) I'll likely be happy. I'm hoping there's a lot of crazy Norse monsters that the trailer just hasn't shown because I already don't care about him beating up marines in the desert.

Shaping up to be a mediocre-to-decent action flick. Hope they don't turn it into a preview for the avengers movie like they did with Iron Man 2, though.

For the most part, I could actually care less about most of these comic book films, but I got a kick out of Iron Man and this one looks quite good as well now. Being a fan of things based on mythology (even when I'm not actually familiar with it, such as God of War or the Ulduar stuff in WoW) this has an interesting attraction as a weird alternate take on such things. I like it and will probably see it.

But, probably not in 3D.

Bonus: Did anyone else not comic savvy mistake Jack Kirby (mentioned on the second page) for Josh Kirby (the person responsible for a lot of Discworld art)? For a second there I was thinking, woah, that guy did comic books? That can't be right! And of course it wasn't.

I didn't see Thor flying. I know it's still early, but Thor needs to be able to fly. It'll add so much godliness to the character. The X-Men movies bugged me when they nerfed Magneto's powers (no flying, no magnetic shockwaves, no force shield).

Fully-powered Thor needs to stay like he is in the comics; Superman-level powerful.

In the Daredevil movie, Kingpin was played by a black actor. In Ironman, Fury is black too. So I say, who really cares? If someone can act and do a really good job at playing the part, then why should they cast someone who looks like the comic counterpart over someone who can make it believable?

If there are no 3D versions of this movie, I will have to wait till the DVD release.

InterAirplay:

Jenx:
I'll probably go see this when it comes out, although I suppose it would be wise to do like a norseman and drink myself silly, in the hopes of forgetting all Norse mythology, so I won't scream and yell at the movie about fucking it up so much.

How many times am I going to have to re-iterate this on various threads?
It's a fantastical sci-fi influenced re-imagining of our interpretation of something that is imaginary.

And...that is supposed to excuse it how, exactly? It is in fact the very reason why it's based on something "imaginary" as you say, that really pisses me off. I can bet you this could work without it needing all the pseudo-technological bullshit, making Thor and Loki brothers and other stuff like that. (If anything, Loki is more like Thor's uncle, since he's a blood brother of Odin.) See, if this was based on history, not mythology then I can get twisting things around - just telling things as they were might not suit your story. But mythology, and norse one specifically, can be so vague that...why do you even NEED to re-imagine everything about it?

I don't know, I probably am making no sense at all, but it just ticks me off.

Jenx:
I'll probably go see this when it comes out, although I suppose it would be wise to do like a norseman and drink myself silly, in the hopes of forgetting all Norse mythology, so I won't scream and yell at the movie about fucking it up so much.

The point was made already, but allow me to drive it home a bit more too. Are you going to bitch during Captain America, because the US never had super soldiers in WWII? Do you reject Battlestar Galactica because they miss a few of the finer points of Mormon cosmology? Will you boycott the next Superman movie because the Christ-analogy doesn't contain a suitable metaphor for the Eucharist?

Good Lord, it's a comic book movie! Inspired by a faith that has been dead for nearly a thousand years! Get over it. If they were billing it as "a modern retelling of ancient Norse myth" well then I could see it, but Thor willingly sacrifices mythological accuracy on the altar of "Making it Awesome."

alloneword:
Thor breaks the Marvel universe. Just look at the lineup that we have going into it: Fantastic Four, The Hulk, X-Men, Spider-man, Daredevil, Iron Man, Dr. Pym (Ant Man/Wasp), Hawkeye, Captain America, and many many more.

Every single hero on that list is either one of two things: A scientist who got caught up in an experiment gone wrong, or a regular (or irregular) guy who came across a strange set of circumstances and now chooses to deal with it by being a hero.

And then there is Thor. While he does technically fall into the second of the categories that I listed, the powers that he attains make him LITERALLY a god. It changes the entire mythology of the Marvel universe(s), in a way that, in my opinion, is not for the better.

But magic and myth exist in the Marvel universe outside of the Thor mythos. Dr Strange, for example, or Ghost Rider. You think they should ignore some of their iconic characters because they're not "science-y" enough for you?

Vorocano:
The point was made already, but allow me to drive it home a bit more too. Are you going to bitch during Captain America, because the US never had super soldiers in WWII? Do you reject Battlestar Galactica because they miss a few of the finer points of Mormon cosmology? Will you boycott the next Superman movie because the Christ-analogy doesn't contain a suitable metaphor for the Eucharist?

Good Lord, it's a comic book movie! Inspired by a faith that has been dead for nearly a thousand years! Get over it. If they were billing it as "a modern retelling of ancient Norse myth" well then I could see it, but Thor willingly sacrifices mythological accuracy on the altar of "Making it Awesome."

Don't give a crap about Captain America, Nor Battlestar Galactica for that matter. And thank you for not having a point so instead just over blowing something I wrote instead.

Ok, to try and summarize my opinion a bit clearly - "Does the story really gain much by changing around the mythology?" Oh and "Making it awesome" is as bullshit of an excuse as any. Some people insist that Transformers 1 and 2 are "awesome" and I don't think I need to point out how much those movies sucked.

Also I really think you are mistaking minor irritation (which is what I feel in such cases) with actual anger. Like I said, I WILL go watch the Thor movie because it seems interesting enough.

InterAirplay:
Nice to see Bob taking a sane stance on this whole Idris Elba thing, looks like most of the civilized world is falling in step behind sanity and declaring "unusual, but probably a good choice" and expressing sadness at how ludicrous the reactions to this guy will be from the purists

Agreed, but it IS an odd choice. He's such a minor supporting role that one must wonder why not cast someone who LOOKS the part?

Norse god with magic hammer smashes giants and shoots lightning. Yeah, I think I can dig that.

As for the whole Idris Elba thing while I'm personally not familiar with the man by all accounts he's a great actor and will do a fine job. That being said I will be interested to see if the same people who went apeshit over Last Airbender will now accuse others of bigotry for asking essentially the same question.

Jenx:

InterAirplay:

Jenx:
I'll probably go see this when it comes out, although I suppose it would be wise to do like a norseman and drink myself silly, in the hopes of forgetting all Norse mythology, so I won't scream and yell at the movie about fucking it up so much.

How many times am I going to have to re-iterate this on various threads?
It's a fantastical sci-fi influenced re-imagining of our interpretation of something that is imaginary.

And...that is supposed to excuse it how, exactly? It is in fact the very reason why it's based on something "imaginary" as you say, that really pisses me off. I can bet you this could work without it needing all the pseudo-technological bullshit, making Thor and Loki brothers and other stuff like that. (If anything, Loki is more like Thor's uncle, since he's a blood brother of Odin.) See, if this was based on history, not mythology then I can get twisting things around - just telling things as they were might not suit your story. But mythology, and norse one specifically, can be so vague that...why do you even NEED to re-imagine everything about it?

I don't know, I probably am making no sense at all, but it just ticks me off.

You don't need to re-imagine it, but you can if you want to, so they did. It's not like they're trying to re-write it, or portray it like it was, they're just telling their own story. Norse mythology is a great big idea bucket, if they're using that idea bucket to model this new race of space-beings, why would you scream at them for fucking up Norse mythology, when this isn't actually Norse mythology? you would have a better argument if you were mad for differences between this and the comic, but it has long since been established by the comic itself that it is a very different universe and mythology we're dealing with.

Bob, can I just say I really enjoy your breakdowns? As someone who was never that into comics growing up, it's great to get clued in on all the little references and other things that I missed.

I fully concur, must... see... moreeeee!

As someone who never had access to comics as a kid (nor interest, I must admit) these breakdowns are very helpful. This movie looks good enough to see in theaters and come May I shall.

I realize Im basically shouting into the "No one knows what you're talking about" abyss here, but I'd just like to say as good as this looks wouldn't it be cool if they wrote and filmed it in the style of the Anthony Hopkins version of Titus?

Oh man, our mythos just got raped with razor wire... in the urethra... twice

Will be seeing this movie day one if possible. cannot wait.

So the fact that Thor refers to Earth as Earth rather then Midgar didn't bother anyone else? That is a real surprise to me.

Actually Movie Bob, I think both companies consider JLA/Avengers canon, as a sort a cross company sign of cooperation and the fact it was a huge finiancial success. So yes Superman has wielded Mjolner and Cap's shield at the same time and Hawkeye is the only hero to have served in the Avengers and JLA.

DTWolfwood:
Just love how insignificant Mjolnir looks. Epic for a hammer of godly power to be well understated XD

That's actually true to norse saga, when the hammer was forged the smith got distracted (long story) and the handle was much shorter than he intended.

RTR:
So,
in the Thor canon, Norse gods are actually aliens/interdimensional beings?
Man, that's heavy.

Yes and no, it fluctuates over the years, more recently they've been heavily playing them as gods along with greek gods like Ares and Hercules. But at times they've been pretty much just aliens.

Actually it's pretty hillarious, marvel had these beings called Eternals, who the idea was they were super powered aliens that inspired all of earth's early gods. They then had to retcon that, to say that they were only mistaken for earth's gods.

mykalwane:
So the fact that Thor refers to Earth as Earth rather then Midgard didn't bother anyone else? That is a real surprise to me.

It bothers me but we don't have the context, so maybe there's a reason.

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