Zero Punctuation: Epic Mickey

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Yeah Disney really copped out on the whole "edgy" angle that Warren Spector had proposed.

Wait a second...
no mention of Warren Spector? Well, given Yahtzee's opinion, it was for the best.

Yahtzee realy get a bulzeye when he says for who this game is for

The bit at the end when he says "So many childhoods to rape, so little time" is that the current Disney slogan?

wammnebu:
im going to have nightmares from that dancing imp for the iphone, thanks escapist

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Ha ha ha, yes finally someone put my thoughts on this pointless game into contexts thanks Yz.

OT: did anyone catch the little imp dance at the end, nice.

RTR:
Yeah Disney really copped out on the whole "edgy" angle that Warren Spector had proposed.

To be fair, fans created that expectation on their own. Concept art is always just concept art and implementing ambitious things like that, especially on the Wii mind you, feels like it's overestimating it's capabilities and, when speaking of it from a Mickey Mouse point of perspective, it's purpose. The wasteland concept, story and basis was all there from the start.

This game isn't using the word "Epic" for your standard overused stigma of orchestras and showoffs at the end of the world where the big bad summons thousands of grim reaper mooks. It comes closer to just using that in the sense of how it was before it got subject to the internet, essentially just describing a grand voyage of redemption and purpose of a hero.

Freakout456:
Well I'm never going to look at a mascot the same way again....

same

Zachary Amaranth:
Totally loved the working class camera joke. :D

You would.

Anyhow it makes me sad that the wii doesn't seem to have any good games besides the sports titles.

Not a disney fan by a long shot then... still the game does sound pretty dreadfull.

Today's episode was quite the social politics :D
and, yes, WHO is this game for anyway???

hahhaaahah triple probation good times ^^.

anyway OT a very good review. More focussed then usual. Thanks for the insights.

so its almost been a month what about Fable 3 I know you want to rip that apart!

Yeah, sadly, that's about what I'd been hearing from everyone else. Some neat visual design, a few good ideas, but some seriously compromised design choices (like the removal of the gritty, weasel-like Mickey you'd become if you relied over-much on thinner), terrible camera control, and not enough original and interesting game-play.

It's a shame. Spector is usually pretty reliable, and heaven knows the Wii could use more good third-party games.

Um, two child abuse jokes? I counted three. Does the parade one count as an extension of the first?

Carbo:

RTR:
Yeah Disney really copped out on the whole "edgy" angle that Warren Spector had proposed.

To be fair, fans created that expectation on their own. Concept art is always just concept art and implementing ambitious things like that, especially on the Wii mind you, feels like it's overestimating it's capabilities and, when speaking of it from a Mickey Mouse point of perspective, it's purpose. The wasteland concept, story and basis was all there from the start.

This game isn't using the word "Epic" for your standard overused stigma of orchestras and showoffs at the end of the world where the big bad summons thousands of grim reaper mooks. It comes closer to just using that in the sense of how it was before it got subject to the internet, essentially just describing a grand voyage of redemption and purpose of a hero.

Really? 'cause I heard that Warren Spector had to tone it down because of general public backlash.

poiumty:
Losing a lot of respect for Warren Spector right now.

Don't forget the part when he whined to the press about how his game totally isn't broken, it's all you guys' fault for playing it wrong.

Lordofthesuplex:
See that's another thing I hate about everyone bitching about this game: they base it soley on year old alpha build concept art. Let me ask you something, when has a game's first leaked initial concept art ever stay completely with the game in question from the beginning of development to the end? I knew damn well that the game wasn't going to look exactly like that (even though I at least hoped for the narwhal with the broken Epcot to still make the cut) but I kept an open mind on the game anyway.

So these people are at fault for not correctly anticipating that it wouldn't be as good as it looked then? Because that's their beef; not that it's different, but that it's not as good. That the good stuff never had a chance to survive the corporate design process is no reason to not care about it.

Callate:
Yeah, sadly, that's about what I'd been hearing from everyone else. Some neat visual design, a few good ideas, but some seriously compromised design choices (like the removal of the gritty, weasel-like Mickey you become if you rely over-much on thinner), terrible camera control, and not enough original and interesting game-play.

It's a shame. Spector is usually pretty reliable, and heaven knows the Wii could use more good third-party games.

To be honest, it's still a pretty solid platformer/adventure title. Some people just like to over exaggerate it's flaws just because of hype and alpha build concept art that wasn't likely to be in the completed product anyways. The only real flaws in the game that really bothered me are the obvious camera and 2-D platforming sections. I can name games that are far bigger disappointments than this one.

Don't forget the part when he whined to the press about how his game totally isn't broken, it's all you guys' fault for playing it wrong.

Well I can't blame him for doing that because I'm under the impression at least Yahtzee isn't playing it right. How many Wii games has he reviewed by now? And he still has issues getting something as simple as a Wiimote to work?

RTR:

Carbo:

RTR:
Yeah Disney really copped out on the whole "edgy" angle that Warren Spector had proposed.

To be fair, fans created that expectation on their own. Concept art is always just concept art and implementing ambitious things like that, especially on the Wii mind you, feels like it's overestimating it's capabilities and, when speaking of it from a Mickey Mouse point of perspective, it's purpose. The wasteland concept, story and basis was all there from the start.

This game isn't using the word "Epic" for your standard overused stigma of orchestras and showoffs at the end of the world where the big bad summons thousands of grim reaper mooks. It comes closer to just using that in the sense of how it was before it got subject to the internet, essentially just describing a grand voyage of redemption and purpose of a hero.

Really? 'cause I heard that Warren Spector had to tone it down because of general public backlash.

The only thing I've read into about that was part of the Scrapper mechanic which made Mickey Mouse look more and more like a devilish rat that had fangs and walked like a hunchback, which focus testers made a huge deal over. Instead they changed it so that he leaks ink the more dastardly deeds he does. Although anyone can feel free to correct me on that.

This is a game I chalk up to the old Bait-and-Switch tactic that so disappointed me with Spore. They lure you in with leaks of something spectacular, but halfway through development cut all the stuff that had fueled any excitement.

After that the end product just seems mocking.

It actually could've been a good game :(.

One of your best recent reviews.
I played my brother's copy this week, and the impression I got was that it combined the easiness and storytelling of a "kiddy" game with the dull colour scheme and style of a "mature" game.

Srdjan Tanaskovic:
Strange I thought that Yahtzee would praise the story (but he didn't talk much about it either). Oh well maybe we will get more info on Extra Punctuation

and I still dont see how this game isn't dark and edgy

because its not.
It doesnt go out of its way, you arent punished by your bad actions and there is no real context in which you might feel bad about doing bad things, i mean, the creator said it himself! "you can go and help the guy so that he gives you his piece of the puzzle, or you can destroy his house and take the same piece out of it" (paraphrased) but there is no real "punishment" or "reward" for doing either... its just "its gonna be more expensive" and things like that.

So much potential. Such a let down.
I got suckered in by the "edgy" hype and got about 6 hours in before I stopped playing.

Yahtzee was dead on.

Fronzel:

So these people are at fault for not correctly anticipating that it wouldn't be as good as it looked then? .

more or less yes because concept Art is not the graphics of game *looks at Dragon Age 2*

HentMas:

Srdjan Tanaskovic:
Strange I thought that Yahtzee would praise the story (but he didn't talk much about it either). Oh well maybe we will get more info on Extra Punctuation

and I still dont see how this game isn't dark and edgy

because its not.
It doesnt go out of its way, you arent punished by your bad actions and there is no real context in which you might feel bad about doing bad things, i mean, the creator said it himself! "you can go and help the guy so that he gives you his piece of the puzzle, or you can destroy his house and take the same piece out of it" (paraphrased) but there is no real "punishment" or "reward" for doing either... its just "its gonna be more expensive" and things like that.

But if we have direct punishment then the game moral system would by very black and white which is more of a Bioware thing then Warren Spector

My god people,don't just take his word for it.yahzee is just....yahzee,not the first person
to come to for buying advice.It's funny that even though he knows the market in games has
stagnated he doesn't speak a word of a game like this being a new, fresh,risk taker.And
thats what it is,even if mickey didn't try to kill him self,which must be the only way
a game can be edgy.

On a side note let me remind you that Disney have(whether you know it or not)
always been the edgiest guys around.Bambi's mother gets shot at the beginning of the
movie and no one has a mom,that edgy stuff.(they just don't want you to think of it that way)

Srdjan Tanaskovic:

HentMas:

Srdjan Tanaskovic:
Strange I thought that Yahtzee would praise the story (but he didn't talk much about it either). Oh well maybe we will get more info on Extra Punctuation

and I still dont see how this game isn't dark and edgy

because its not.
It doesnt go out of its way, you arent punished by your bad actions and there is no real context in which you might feel bad about doing bad things, i mean, the creator said it himself! "you can go and help the guy so that he gives you his piece of the puzzle, or you can destroy his house and take the same piece out of it" (paraphrased) but there is no real "punishment" or "reward" for doing either... its just "its gonna be more expensive" and things like that.

But if we have direct punishment then the game moral system would by very black and white which is more of a Bioware thing then Warren Spector

i agree, but in the end it makes no differenc what yo do or dont, and in the end it looked like something was missing, and that takes out the "edge" of doing something "forbiden" or "wrong" it then just boils down into "im a jerk" or "im not" and if you want all the credits youll be a jerk, and if you dont you will not, because there is no real context for doing either thing than money.

but thats my opinion.

I won't comment on the game itself as I'm not planning on getting it, but I must congratulate Yahtzee, for after three years on nonpunctuated rants I finally fell of his train of thought and had to rewind. It was magic.

Also, I am now afraid of mascots. Those grins were bastardly.

Also, "look, someone farting out of a window" was cause for my biggest burst of laughter this ZP, which in turn made me feel ashamed.

Mickey suicide comic:
http://theblarg.wordpress.com/2009/07/11/mickey-mouse-suicide/

Also one of the best reviews Yahtzee has made in a long while.

gaming Outlaw:
My god people,don't just take his word for it.yahzee is just....yahzee,not the first person
to come to for buying advice.It's funny that even though he knows the market in games has
stagnated he doesn't speak a word of a game like this being a new, fresh,risk taker.And
thats what it is,even if mickey didn't try to kill him self,which must be the only way
a game can be edgy.

On a side note let me remind you that Disney have(whether you know it or not)
always been the edgiest guys around.Bambi's mother gets shot at the beginning of the
movie and no one has a mom,that edgy stuff.(they just don't want you to think of it that way)

OH! but thats the thing!!!, thats the "BEFORE" Disney, the one that actually treated kids and children like PEOPLE, the NOW Disney is actually more concerned of "what would the parent say??" and have a whole censorship board before them, just so they dont "Traumatize" the kids with movies like (what do you guess??) BAMBI.

Disney WAS edgy and interesting and made you think, but in this world where the people cry in one voice "THINK OF THE CHILDREN" they have to play it safe.

Excellent as always Yahtzee! Have a nice holiday!

HentMas:

i agree, but in the end it makes no differenc what yo do or dont, and in the end it looked like something was missing, and that takes out the "edge" of doing something "forbiden" or "wrong" it then just boils down into "im a jerk" or "im not" and if you want all the credits youll be a jerk, and if you dont you will not, because there is no real context for doing either thing than money.

but thats my opinion.

I haven't played the game (a Cataclysm got in the way) so I cant say to much about the moral system but from what I heard if your evil them Mickey will change his appearance or something like that

pretty sure that Extra Credit can do some sort of episode about it

HentMas:
OH! but thats the thing!!!, thats the "BEFORE" Disney, the one that actually treated kids and children like PEOPLE, the NOW Disney is actually more concerned of "what would the parent say??" and have a whole censorship board before them, just so they dont "Traumatize" the kids with movies like (what do you guess??) BAMBI.

Disney WAS edgy and interesting and made you think, but in this world where the people cry in one voice "THINK OF THE CHILDREN" they have to play it safe.

That's the thing though - this game was made in order to reinvigorate Mickey's more mischevious side and rebrand it's market.

Maybe its not supposed to be.Maybe he did that for a reason.Maybe your jumping to conclusions.
Maybe reflection time is set for the end of the game.

They should make a game around one of those old WW2 cartoons, where Donald Duck takes on Hitler. Now that would be epic.

Unfortunately, the good old days of controversial Disney are long gone.

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