Zero Punctuation: Epic Mickey

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mitchell271:

Mattteus:

mitchell271:

Why were we put on probation for these?
Haters gonna hate...

Rule #1: NEVER, even if it's the one time it happens to you, EVER say "first" as your comment. What are you? some preschool kid who's trying to prove to the teacher you won a race?

Fine I'll give you my quote, but what about the others? They simply said that they were not expecting what Yahztee put out this week. So, why are they being punished for expressing an earnest opinion?

And I said first because I have never gotten the first comment and because the site I frequent the most, screwattack.com (a great gaming site, not porn), has a very friendly community who make jokes when that comment is made like "Oh NOES you awoke the First Monster!!!" and add a funny picture. I have become used to civil and friendly banter on the internet, something most sites cannot claim they have.

Actually, the site has a policy of not allowing users to respond to a video until it's been physically possible to have finished watching it. It doesn't matter if you say "first". In other words, since the video goes up on the hour, the ad is 30 seconds, and the video is 5 minutes 27 seconds, you don't want to hit post until 7 minutes past the hour. That's why the next post (at x:07) wasn't put on probation.

I hope that makes it less confusing.

I never did like those people in suits. They always smiled too much. Creepily so. Epic Mickey seemed to be the chance I was waiting for to get rid of that fear, but it seems as if even that will be unable to.

The dual brush thing seemed so interesting too...

Swifteye:

Carbo:
I'm a tad disappointed with this review, mostly cause I can't help but feel that Yahtzee sort of missed the point of the game and missed out a good deal of the game's core aspects. While I can see the game definitely isn't for everyone, I was hoping for some more in depth talk about the moral-choice stuff which I feel Warren Spector got down pretty damn well and interpreted them greatly into the game's concept, design and story.

Oh well, looking forward for the Extra Punctuation article.

You don't know what he thinks about moral choice systems? He thinks they are a waste of time as they don't mimic human emotions well and there is a tendency to always choose the option that gives you more stuff.

I know this, and that's also the thing. Epic Mickey doesn't use your typical "boldly-heroic and cartoonishly-evil" morality scale. It's alot more clever than that, which was why I was hoping he'd at least go into it, even if he'd have to criticize it. Hell it's the biggest and most important part of the game, and is why the paint/scrap gimmick exists.

Never mind the fact that the title for the game seems to be targeting residents of 4chan or youtube.

So, you've played Kingdom Hearts, did you? Did you enjoy it?

This review can be summed up as Yahtzee crying because the game isn't Mickey Mouse meets Silent Hill.

I'm pulling the "He didn't bother finishing it" card. How else could he have missed;

*The backstory involving the death of countless characters,
*Characters being turned into sentient statues for 90 years,
*positive uses for thinner,
*Dark Beauty Castle part 2 which has you constantly menaced by a mountain sized eldritch abomination
*the final level which takes place inside said elritch abomination where you are beset up by "lost characters", who have been corrupted and turned into horrible tortured souls that will never find release.

Overall, the game is just kind of weird and its difficult to put a finger on how much I like it. Its like the weird love child of a 4/10 game and a 10/10 game.

mitchell271:

Mattteus:

mitchell271:

Why were we put on probation for these?
Haters gonna hate...

Rule #1: NEVER, even if it's the one time it happens to you, EVER say "first" as your comment. What are you? some preschool kid who's trying to prove to the teacher you won a race?

Fine I'll give you my quote, but what about the others? They simply said that they were not expecting what Yahztee put out this week. So, why are they being punished for expressing an earnest opinion?

And I said first because I have never gotten the first comment and because the site I frequent the most, screwattack.com (a great gaming site, not porn), has a very friendly community who make jokes when that comment is made like "Oh NOES you awoke the First Monster!!!" and add a funny picture. I have become used to civil and friendly banter on the internet, something most sites cannot claim they have.

hmm, that is strange that you all got it... I don't get it

looks like a renter to me, don't know if ill like it but i always give games a try before i judge.

Blitzwing:

How does being a Disney product automatically mean it's shit?

There's nothing automatic about it, but basic pattern recognition suggests it strongly enough that I discount the margin of error.

Mattteus:

mitchell271:

Mattteus:

Rule #1: NEVER, even if it's the one time it happens to you, EVER say "first" as your comment. What are you? some preschool kid who's trying to prove to the teacher you won a race?

Fine I'll give you my quote, but what about the others? They simply said that they were not expecting what Yahztee put out this week. So, why are they being punished for expressing an earnest opinion?

And I said first because I have never gotten the first comment and because the site I frequent the most, screwattack.com (a great gaming site, not porn), has a very friendly community who make jokes when that comment is made like "Oh NOES you awoke the First Monster!!!" and add a funny picture. I have become used to civil and friendly banter on the internet, something most sites cannot claim they have.

hmm, that is strange that you all got it... I don't get it

As I mentioned in the earlier post (referenced below) it's based upon the timing of the posts, not the content. This can be confirmed by looking at the pattern of probation for other episodes over the last year. So even if he had followed your advice, he would still have run into that policy.

Translated:

mitchell271:

Mattteus:

Rule #1: NEVER, even if it's the one time it happens to you, EVER say "first" as your comment. What are you? some preschool kid who's trying to prove to the teacher you won a race?

Fine I'll give you my quote, but what about the others? They simply said that they were not expecting what Yahztee put out this week. So, why are they being punished for expressing an earnest opinion?

And I said first because I have never gotten the first comment and because the site I frequent the most, screwattack.com (a great gaming site, not porn), has a very friendly community who make jokes when that comment is made like "Oh NOES you awoke the First Monster!!!" and add a funny picture. I have become used to civil and friendly banter on the internet, something most sites cannot claim they have.

Actually, the site has a policy of not allowing users to respond to a video until it's been physically possible to have finished watching it. It doesn't matter if you say "first". In other words, since the video goes up on the hour, the ad is 30 seconds, and the video is 5 minutes 27 seconds, you don't want to hit post until 7 minutes past the hour. That's why the next post (at x:07) wasn't put on probation.

I hope that makes it less confusing.

Ugh... this game just seems like such a terrible idea from start to finish.

The words "epic" and "Mickey" should NEVER be combined...

That line about the orwellian mickey is going to haunt me for a while.

Boaal:
A game with mickey mouse in it. Who else knew beforehand that this was going to be a shit game?

Hear hear. I mean it would be announced in multiple internet medias and probably in all the TV news also, if a Mickey game from Disney would be actually even remotely good. Played some of those and... Yes.

Disney games were awesome back in the day when Capcom was behind them. I'm sure there's even a few people here who remember Castle of Illusion and how awesome that was. Despite Capcom not being behind this game, I still enjoyed this.

As to the darkness factor, why do these old school cartoons NEED a dark subtext? I know all about The Fuhrer's Face and the propaganda cartoons from back in the day, but it's not a crime to make a happy positive scenario. Hell, I watched Dirty Duck the other day (1975 R Rated Cartoon) where the animation was shocking even by the standards back then, and any form of message or story was destroyed by bizarre scenes of sexual perversion. That didn't make the cartoon better, it made it worse.

That was rather expectable.

To all those people who said Warren Spector was never referenced in the video, he is 'implied' per se, when Yahtzee says 'the spectre of compromise'. It's a humble, insulting reference to Spector and how silly he is for abandoning all pretence and removing all links to the awesome mid-production concept art from the game

k-ossuburb:

WAHH!! WAHH!! Its not Mickey Mouse meets Silent Hill! Its unoriginal and kiddy! WAHH!

Fixed for truth.

In all seriousness though, Yahtzee's fans are the biggest sheep in the world outside of the SquareEnix fanboys who refused to acknowledge Final Fantasy XIV was a complete failure of a game in almost every way.

Mortrialus:

k-ossuburb:

WAHH!! WAHH!! Its not Mickey Mouse meets Silent Hill! Its unoriginal and kiddy! WAHH!

Fixed for truth.

In all seriousness though, Yahtzee's fans are the biggest sheep in the world outside of the SquareEnix fanboys who refused to acknowledge Final Fantasy XIV was a complete failure of a game in almost every way.

I enjoy watching and reading Yahtzee with a surprisingly high hit-rate that seems to be almost entirely independent of whether he likes the games I do or not. I think that's a mark of his communication/presentation style. Paradoxically, it's also the way a good diplomat is often described. But I digress.

Final Fantasy XIV seems to have had some really major issues. I'm not a fan of MMORPG games, so I can't comment on it in detail. What I can say is that I've had certain issues with many of the recent Final Fantasy games, despite the fact that it's been one of my favorite series and I consider myself to be a fan.

Being a fan of either content you mentioned doesn't make someone a "sheep". It's when we give up the choice to think for ourselves (in any context) that we may become "sheep". That's no more or less true for enjoying Yahtzee or a specific Final Fantasy game than anything else.

I'm sorry you feel like people aren't being discerning in consuming this program (which I personally find to be a really good one) and that you find the fact that people don't recognize your perspective on this specific game to be frustrating. I think we all can relate to at least one game that was like that, whether it was over-rated or overlooked.

In any case, Merry Christmas and I hope that you find the new year more enjoyable and that there are many opportunities for you to share those unexpected positive experiences with the rest of the forum. If anyone tries to give you shit about doing that, let me know: I've got your back. :)

I love the end where it said The Mad Doctor gave him Human Centipede vibes, made me remember mickey mania flash backs to fighting the mad doctor.

Mortrialus:

k-ossuburb:

WAHH!! WAHH!! Its not Mickey Mouse meets Silent Hill! Its unoriginal and kiddy! WAHH!

Fixed for truth.

In all seriousness though, Yahtzee's fans are the biggest sheep in the world outside of the SquareEnix fanboys who refused to acknowledge Final Fantasy XIV was a complete failure of a game in almost every way.

Um I asked a lot of people who played XIV and they said it sucked. Show me where these fan boys are so I can talk logic in to them.

Xerosch:
I know it's only me but I'd really like Capcom's "Magical Quest" return. I really liked those even if they were pretty easy. And the music in the ice level of the first game is one of my favourite tracks.

I like you, the first Magical Quest game was the first game I owned and beat and I'm still waiting for it to return in some form to me (I can't find the gba cart T_T).

Yahtzee asked who this game was for. It was for Chris Antista, associate editor at GamesRadar and people like him. Big Disney dorks who know Disney well and enjoy the reverence it shows.

Mortrialus:

k-ossuburb:

WAHH!! WAHH!! Its not Mickey Mouse meets Silent Hill! Its unoriginal and kiddy! WAHH!

Fixed for truth.

In all seriousness though, Yahtzee's fans are the biggest sheep in the world outside of the SquareEnix fanboys who refused to acknowledge Final Fantasy XIV was a complete failure of a game in almost every way.

Changing other people's posts are we? How very mature.

Translated:

Mortrialus:

k-ossuburb:

WAHH!! WAHH!! Its not Mickey Mouse meets Silent Hill! Its unoriginal and kiddy! WAHH!

Fixed for truth.

In all seriousness though, Yahtzee's fans are the biggest sheep in the world outside of the SquareEnix fanboys who refused to acknowledge Final Fantasy XIV was a complete failure of a game in almost every way.

I enjoy watching and reading Yahtzee with a surprisingly high hit-rate that seems to be almost entirely independent of whether he likes the games I do or not. I think that's a mark of his communication/presentation style. Paradoxically, it's also the way a good diplomat is often described. But I digress.

Final Fantasy XIV seems to have had some really major issues. I'm not a fan of MMORPG games, so I can't comment on it in detail. What I can say is that I've had certain issues with many of the recent Final Fantasy games, despite the fact that it's been one of my favorite series and I consider myself to be a fan.

Being a fan of either content you mentioned doesn't make someone a "sheep". It's when we give up the choice to think for ourselves (in any context) that we may become "sheep". That's no more or less true for enjoying Yahtzee or a specific Final Fantasy game than anything else.

I'm sorry you feel like people aren't being discerning in consuming this program (which I personally find to be a really good one) and that you find the fact that people don't recognize your perspective on this specific game to be frustrating. I think we all can relate to at least one game that was like that, whether it was over-rated or overlooked.

In any case, Merry Christmas and I hope that you find the new year more enjoyable and that there are many opportunities for you to share those unexpected positive experiences with the rest of the forum. If anyone tries to give you shit about doing that, let me know: I've got your back. :)

Edit: I've wanted to take a jab at Yahtzee and his fans for a while, but that was too cruel considering how polite you were and I apologize. It was unneeded. Merry Christmas to you. Mine was actually pretty good.

Srdjan Tanaskovic:
Strange I thought that Yahtzee would praise the story (but he didn't talk much about it either). Oh well maybe we will get more info on Extra Punctuation

and I still dont see how this game isn't dark and edgy

Look at the original concept art then look up why none of it is in the game...Some people got an early look at the prototype and thought "OMGZ,THEY MADE MICKEY TEH EVILS!!!" So now the game is half-assed,that's pretty much what happened plus the games flaws are annoying,too many fetch quests,sucky camera,and overall monotony when you've repeated those 2D platforming sections for the millionth time,also you can't go to previous areas to do things you didn't made me too bored to press on. I still haven't sent it back yet though (I rented it from Gamefly)

Alphakirby:

Srdjan Tanaskovic:
Strange I thought that Yahtzee would praise the story (but he didn't talk much about it either). Oh well maybe we will get more info on Extra Punctuation

and I still dont see how this game isn't dark and edgy

Look at the original concept art then look up why none of it is in the game...Some people got an early look at the prototype and thought "OMGZ,THEY MADE MICKEY TEH EVILS!!!" So now the game is half-assed,that's pretty much what happened plus the games flaws are annoying,too many fetch quests,sucky camera,and overall monotony when you've repeated those 2D platforming sections for the millionth time,also you can't go to previous areas to do things you didn't made me too bored to press on. I still haven't sent it back yet though (I rented it from Gamefly)

Actually, that was proven false outright.

k-ossuburb:

WAHH!! WAHH!! Its not Mickey Mouse meets Silent Hill! Its unoriginal and kiddy! WAHH!

That wasn't a reason for knocking the game down,you misunderstood,the thing was that all the old cartoon references most kids wouldn't know of,yet the game is too easy and defanged to the degree that not many adults would want to play. IMO,The actual gameplay was lacking due to it's flaws,the point is...Epic Mickey was extremely hyped and made by Warren Spector so when people played it...it was a disapointment,no Disney fanboy will change that P.S.A critic is SUPPOSED to pick apart a game based on said critic's opinions and in a way are much more trustworthy than mainstream reviewers because one out of 5 reviewers will always be bribed at some point,notice how only X-Play gave it a perfect review...
Edit:Almost forgot *Flame Shield*

Mortrialus:

Alphakirby:

Srdjan Tanaskovic:
Strange I thought that Yahtzee would praise the story (but he didn't talk much about it either). Oh well maybe we will get more info on Extra Punctuation

and I still dont see how this game isn't dark and edgy

Look at the original concept art then look up why none of it is in the game...Some people got an early look at the prototype and thought "OMGZ,THEY MADE MICKEY TEH EVILS!!!" So now the game is half-assed,that's pretty much what happened plus the games flaws are annoying,too many fetch quests,sucky camera,and overall monotony when you've repeated those 2D platforming sections for the millionth time,also you can't go to previous areas to do things you didn't made me too bored to press on. I still haven't sent it back yet though (I rented it from Gamefly)

Actually, that was proven false outright.

Which part are you reffering to

Alphakirby:

That wasn't a reason for knocking the game down,you misunderstood,the thing was that all the old cartoon references most kids wouldn't know of,yet the game is too easy and defanged to the degree that not many adults would want to play.

Yahtzee spent most of his review bitching about how its not "TEH DARKER AND EDGIER" and so did that guy. As far as easy and defanged (Whatever you mean by that term), I'm going to disagree.

Alphakirby:
IMO,The actual gameplay was lacking due to it's flaws,the point is...Epic Mickey was extremely hyped and made by Warren Spector so when people played it...it was a disapointment,

It is, at the very least, an interesting experiment. Its held back by some considerable flaws, but there is still a lot of good in the game. Its going to polarize people, though this forum is almost unanimous about it because Yahtzee's fans are the 2nd biggest sheep on the planet behind Final Fantasy fan boys who do nothing but parrot his words and never form an opinion on things themselves.

Alphakirby:
no Disney fanboy will change that P.S.A critic is SUPPOSED to pick apart a game based on said critic's opinions and in a way are much more trustworthy than mainstream reviewers because one out of 5 reviewers will always be bribed at some point,notice how only X-Play gave it a perfect review...

Don't take Yahtzee's word on anything he says. Yahtzee is and always will be that toad that developed a fucking god complex for making a few playable (Not good. Not spectacular. Playable) Point and Click adventure games. I remember him getting all emotional and saying "I have to remove myself for a bit my ego is hurting myself and my fans! Woe is me!" and he comes back with an even bigger ego than ever. He's a tool, and one that engages in sensationalistic hyperbole in just about every major point he makes.

I find it strange that you or anyone else actually like him at all. He isn't funny. He is at best amusing. Zero Punctuation has never been anything other than noise that holds your attention. Anything he says that might actually be funny is just him pointing out things that are already funny about the game. How many jokes has he made that are actually funny, that actually make you laugh? The only one I can think of one, the "Dick in the pudding" joke he made in his Prince of Persia retrospective and he stole that. I don't understand why so many people regard him as "ZOMG The best comedian on the internet so funny" when he doesn't actually make people laugh. I've seen people watch his videos. They don't laugh. They just sit blankly until the end where they say "Well that was entertaining".

Alphakirby:
Which part are you reffering to

The rumor that Spector changed the game based on a focus group where a biker threated to kill him if he killed his childhood and all the other incarnations of it.

Mortrialus:

Alphakirby:

That wasn't a reason for knocking the game down,you misunderstood,the thing was that all the old cartoon references most kids wouldn't know of,yet the game is too easy and defanged to the degree that not many adults would want to play.

Yahtzee spent most of his review bitching about how its not "TEH DARKER AND EDGIER" and so did that guy. As far as easy and defanged (Whatever you mean by that term), I'm going to disagree.
Well you have a point,I suppose i was thinking of the platforming I only remember having trouble with the second Oswald stage trying to get the reel. P.S.Defanged means something that is originally dark and thinning it to reach a larger audience (Example:The original ideas for Epic Mickey were watered down for a larger audience)

Alphakirby:
IMO,The actual gameplay was lacking due to it's flaws,the point is...Epic Mickey was extremely hyped and made by Warren Spector so when people played it...it was a disapointment,

It is, at the very least, an interesting experiment. Its held back by some considerable flaws, but there is still a lot of good in the game. Its going to polarize people, though this forum is almost unanimous about it because Yahtzee's fans are the 2nd biggest sheep on the planet behind Final Fantasy fan boys who do nothing but parrot his words and never form an opinion on things themselves.

Alphakirby:
no Disney fanboy will change that P.S.A critic is SUPPOSED to pick apart a game based on said critic's opinions and in a way are much more trustworthy than mainstream reviewers because one out of 5 reviewers will always be bribed at some point,notice how only X-Play gave it a perfect review...

Don't take Yahtzee's word on anything he says. Yahtzee is and always will be that toad that developed a fucking god complex for making a few playable (Not good. Not spectacular. Playable) Point and Click adventure games. I remember him getting all emotional and saying "I have to remove myself for a bit my ego is hurting myself and my fans! Woe is me!" and he comes back with an even bigger ego than ever. He's a tool, and one that engages in sensationalistic hyperbole in just about every major point he makes.

I find it strange that you or anyone else actually like him at all. He isn't funny. He is at best amusing. Zero Punctuation has never been anything other than noise that holds your attention. Anything he says that might actually be funny is just him pointing out things that are already funny about the game. How many jokes has he made that are actually funny, that actually make you laugh? The only one I can think of one, the "Dick in the pudding" joke he made in his Prince of Persia retrospective and he stole that. I don't understand why so many people regard him as "ZOMG The best comedian on the internet so funny" when he doesn't actually make people laugh. I've seen people watch his videos. They don't laugh. They just sit blankly until the end where they say "Well that was entertaining".

Alphakirby:
Which part are you reffering to

The rumor that Spector changed the game based on a focus group where a biker threated to kill him if he killed his childhood and all the other incarnations of it.

Well I don't believe reviews because they are usually only opinions, I played Epic Mickey and it got boring the camera didn't work, I personally couldn't care less if it was "Dark and Edgy" the platforming sections (mainly the jungle one) started to aggrivate me because it seemed that I would rapidly have to go back and forth constantly,the levels always reset to the degree that I just stopped painting everything (although thinning out people was a nice distraction) And it was nothing but fetch quests most of the time,one that was difficult enough for me to stop playing,it didn't seem as it was there at all and I already did the wrong thing with the tiki mask fetch quest and I wanted a good moral ending. So overall my opinion of the game was that it was a dissapointment to my expectations,reviews are only opinions until they actually mention game-breaking issues like camera issues(Which again almost everyone's reviews have brought up) and bugs, otherwise it's primariliy the reviewer's opinion, I just don't like it when people flame certain things, it's Youtube rules,if you don't like it,why comment on it. I'm not calling you a troll,you do have good points,but don't try to ruin other peoples fun,I mean the people who have diminished or glorified thoughts based on reviews that are so busy talking opinionitive bulls@#% that it should still be worth a try or a bit of suspicion if the game seems too good to be true. So once again I agree with your points,but I will still keep to my own opinions and thoughts. Also thanks for updating me on that focus group,I really don't check news of any kind,except when my magizines come around.

They're coming to get you, Yatzee.

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Alphakirby:

k-ossuburb:

WAHH!! WAHH!! Its not Mickey Mouse meets Silent Hill! Its unoriginal and kiddy! WAHH!

That wasn't a reason for knocking the game down,you misunderstood,the thing was that all the old cartoon references most kids wouldn't know of,yet the game is too easy and defanged to the degree that not many adults would want to play. IMO,The actual gameplay was lacking due to it's flaws,the point is...Epic Mickey was extremely hyped and made by Warren Spector so when people played it...it was a disapointment,no Disney fanboy will change that P.S.A critic is SUPPOSED to pick apart a game based on said critic's opinions and in a way are much more trustworthy than mainstream reviewers because one out of 5 reviewers will always be bribed at some point,notice how only X-Play gave it a perfect review...
Edit:Almost forgot *Flame Shield*

That's not even my quote, my original post was changed by someone who wanted to "bash Yahtzee fans" for some reason and he/she changed my post to whatever the hell that is. Go back a few pages to see the original, you're essentially replying to nothing here.

k-ossuburb:

Alphakirby:

k-ossuburb:

WAHH!! WAHH!! Its not Mickey Mouse meets Silent Hill! Its unoriginal and kiddy! WAHH!

That wasn't a reason for knocking the game down,you misunderstood,the thing was that all the old cartoon references most kids wouldn't know of,yet the game is too easy and defanged to the degree that not many adults would want to play. IMO,The actual gameplay was lacking due to it's flaws,the point is...Epic Mickey was extremely hyped and made by Warren Spector so when people played it...it was a disapointment,no Disney fanboy will change that P.S.A critic is SUPPOSED to pick apart a game based on said critic's opinions and in a way are much more trustworthy than mainstream reviewers because one out of 5 reviewers will always be bribed at some point,notice how only X-Play gave it a perfect review...
Edit:Almost forgot *Flame Shield*

That's not even my quote, my original post was changed by someone who wanted to "bash Yahtzee fans" for some reason and he/she changed my post to whatever the hell that is. Go back a few pages to see the original, you're essentially replying to nothing here.

"Some reason?" Your entire post is just one long winded whining session about how its not dark enough.

Mortrialus:

k-ossuburb:

Alphakirby:

That wasn't a reason for knocking the game down,you misunderstood,the thing was that all the old cartoon references most kids wouldn't know of,yet the game is too easy and defanged to the degree that not many adults would want to play. IMO,The actual gameplay was lacking due to it's flaws,the point is...Epic Mickey was extremely hyped and made by Warren Spector so when people played it...it was a disapointment,no Disney fanboy will change that P.S.A critic is SUPPOSED to pick apart a game based on said critic's opinions and in a way are much more trustworthy than mainstream reviewers because one out of 5 reviewers will always be bribed at some point,notice how only X-Play gave it a perfect review...
Edit:Almost forgot *Flame Shield*

That's not even my quote, my original post was changed by someone who wanted to "bash Yahtzee fans" for some reason and he/she changed my post to whatever the hell that is. Go back a few pages to see the original, you're essentially replying to nothing here.

"Some reason?" Your entire post is just one long winded whining session about how its not dark enough.

That's not the point I was making, sorry for not being clear. I was saying that it isn't reaching its full creative potential, that's all. I don't care about the mood, only that it's disappointing that with a brand as big as Disney you'd expect something with a lot more quality, especially considering the amount of time this was in development.

Anyway, let's just pretend I said:

"Herpa derp, this game suckzors becoz I dun leik Disney an i has no opinions of my own, herpa derpa derp."

Thank you.

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