The Big Picture: Nerd Gods

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I'm a firm believer in Batmanism.

DTWolfwood:
gnostic church is a good one. too bad they are probably seen as heretics at this point

We are. We get nailed on both sides of the eisle.

MovieBob:
[...] what we if we tried following without necessarily believing[...]

I have an even more revolutionary idea: Why don't we try not to follow at all.

We're constantly misguidedly claiming some sort of intellectual superiority to farm animals but we still can't get over the damn herd mentality.

Why follow? You know who's always following? People who are never leading. People who can't see past the leader because he's always in front, leading the way.

I know, I know. Following is comfortable. It's reassuring. It takes the weight of responsibility from off our shoulders, placing it in the reassuring figure of a, generally, charismatic leader. Following is easy. You don't have to think, you don't have to consider your options, you don't have to live with the decisions and choices knowing you, and you alone are to blame for whatever good or bad came from them, and you can just pull a blanket over your eyes and divert whatever issues arise to the guy in front.

But it's also a trap. You're letting someone else run your life. And these people don't have a magic 8-ball or the power of clairvoyance anymore than you do.

You know what happens when you follow? You never learn the way yourself. Any way.

My suggestion is to stop following entirely. Think for yourselves, and criticize everything. EVERYTHING. No exceptions.

Tom Cruse won't come out of closet. Ever.

Wait, the Church of Haruhi? Sign me up! it'd be interesting to see how people could fit Haruhi into religious sermons

Great video, Bob. Enjoyed the bits about religion as practiced today and your personal feelings about it more than the bits about fictional characters as gods, though.

Also, it made me ponder whether or not I'm agnostic or an "atheist with commitment issues". My belief that God doesn't exist(nor any other deity, for that matter) is conflicting with the knowledge that there's no proof of it.

Therefore, because religion is after all a matter of belief, I'm inclined to call myself atheist. But it's my opinion that it's more logical to be agnostic.

...

Bleh.

Thanks for the existentialist dilemma, Bob.

The thing with that is that we have to stop thinking about religion as if it were serious business.

I mean, religion study and discussion would be lowered a few notches if it were George Lucas vs Stan Lee.

most of your later pagan intellectuals did practice your follow not believe theory. You probably have already read these but if you get a chance take a peak at Celsus, Porphyry, Lucian of Samosta, and Plutarch

I already though out a hole deity and the story around it. But the problem is not with the deity itself, but the people in power because of it. Yes a nerd can start a new god, but you know the jocks will move right in, kick out the nerds, and declare the the new god has chosen them as the champions of humanity, so all the women must now have sex with them.

Religion is like politics, it is used to control people in acting a particular way, and when it comes across another religion they will fight over that control, to the point of even turning their back on their core beliefs and people so to just retain that control. (look at the GOP, and the Taliban)

Aren't Superheroes like Batman or Spider-man already some kind of modern heroic folklore. Like Odysseus and Perseus for example? i mean it is not such a big leap.

Objection!

Well, not a strong one, I just wanted to throw that reference out there. Anyways, the major problem with getting something like Spiderman or Star Wars turned into a religion is that every other mainstream religion have believers that firmly believe in the God/god as well as the rules. I'd like~ to think that no one truly believes Spiderman exists in modern day New York, saving lives against crazy villains.

Even so, thank you for breaking the entire crappy argument over the origin of this world into "there's no proof either way" - because that couldn't be any closer to the truth. All the religion bashing in the world won't change that. It just makes good agnostics and Atheists look bad. Like an overly intrusive Christian kind of bad. So yay!

Eri:

Rainboq:

Captain Pooptits:
Haarooohee, Bob? Haarooheee?

You just lost all nerd credibility with me. Stop your preaching now. Right now goddam.

It's Haruhi ffs.

Oh be quiet, he can pronounce it however he pleases.

OT: I was laughing so hard at the end, good one Bob!

He sure can but that doesn't make it right. I don't care one way or the other, just throwing my 2 cents.

*dodges the thrown coins*

Watch it!

thublihnk:

Jenx:
Ah, a wonderful video in which Bob shows he has no idea how the hell religion and mythology works. Aside from that, it was a pretty fun watch.

Actually that was a pretty accurate take on religion... Just because it's not yours doesn't mean it's not right.
Multiple people coming together to 'worship' and follow the ideals of a figure, be it believed fictional or real, is the basic cornerstone of religious thinking.

Here's the thing though - There will never be a "Church of Spider Man" or stuff like that. Wonna know why? Because nobody will ever actually believe in Spider Man's divinity. Yeah, this is something of a major point in religion - gods actually having something divine in them. Sure sure, Bob suggests the whole super-heroes thing as closer to gnosticism, but it's still just a laughable concept. One thing that really bugs me is when people say "Man religion is just X". No it's not just X. It's a lot more, it's an absurdly complex concept like a lot of things in human culture.

what does Godzillaism teach?

I think I'm already a member of the Church of Sonic the Hedgehog, its tenants include living your life without regret, always looking to the future and the possibilities it holds, and being a good friend to everyone. Of course I also seek guidance from other pillars of fiction, including Doctor Who, Captain Picard, tons of others. Some may call me silly for living my life like that, but at least I don't clasp my hands together and pretend to talk to them.

Agnosticism is the worst "ism" there is. Be a man, choose your ideology. Dont stand confused in between.

"And 'lo the Mighty Godzilla rose from the very depths of the ocean itself to deliver a terrible vengeance on King Ghidorah's faces..."

If we are all picking sides for a massive god war I serve the laughing god.

In reply to your comment about XMas: XMas isn't actually a secular deviation from Christmas, it's just a shortening of Christ. To quote Wikipedia:

Wikipdia:

...while the "X" comes from the Greek letter Chi, which is the first letter of the Greek word Χριστός, translated as "Christ".

Cool video but actually even though the Christian celebration of Christmas came around 300 AD it wasn't necessarily the re-imagining of the pagan holiday cause that's just the day they chose to place it on. It could have been on any day and still been the same holiday.

Caliostro:

I have an even more revolutionary idea: Why don't we try not to follow at all.

We're constantly misguidedly claiming some sort of intellectual superiority to farm animals but we still can't get over the damn herd mentality.

Why follow? You know who's always following? People who are never leading. People who can't see past the leader because he's always in front, leading the way.

I know, I know. Following is comfortable. It's reassuring. It takes the weight of responsibility from off our shoulders, placing it in the reassuring figure of a, generally, charismatic leader. Following is easy. You don't have to think, you don't have to consider your options, you don't have to live with the decisions and choices knowing you, and you alone are to blame for whatever good or bad came from them, and you can just pull a blanket over your eyes and divert whatever issues arise to the guy in front.

But it's also a trap. You're letting someone else run your life. And these people don't have a magic 8-ball or the power of clairvoyance anymore than you do.

You know what happens when you follow? You never learn the way yourself. Any way.

My suggestion is to stop following entirely. Think for yourselves, and criticize everything. EVERYTHING. No exceptions.

I don't think he meant that we should follow like a bunch of blind sheep but rather to take what some of these religious text say and think of it more like advice. When we take advice our decisions aren't made for us because the final decision will always be ours to make.

Offtopic: Goku would beat superman.

iīm an atheist and the thing that gets me about every religion is that they are in our modern world nearly (if not completely) useless we all have our moral guidelines and we wouldnīt kill somebody for two reasons A: killing is wrong and hurts a lot of people B: itīs illegal to kill another person almost everywhere on the planet (outside of actualy being in a war but even there unnececary killing is frowned uppon). (almost) every country has a justice system and i like to be optimistic to think that most people have a decent moral compass to decide whatīs right or wrong

basicaly i donīt see a point in religion of any kind. and to enhance the progress of the human race (science and other areas) it would be best to get rid of religion (to list the current things holding the human race back : creationism (is tought in some parts of Amerika as scientific theory), religious extreemists, there are people who use religion to justify act of destruction and horror (terrorists anyone))

I've mentioned my pantheism a few times before, I've always preferred it because I`m able to both rationalize and spiritualize it in my mind. I think I'm personally better off not having a written doctrine of the Ways of the Pantheist, I like to be open to all the customs and beliefs and ideals and morals of every religion or belief. You know, within reason.

I also allow myself to adjust to a situation. my grandparent's are Jehovah's witnesses', so when they invite me to their sermons (it's not often) I respect where I am and follow their customs as best as I can. I'd be interested in going to a church, a mosque, a synagogue and a temple- basically, at some point I want to test my pallet in customs and ideas, though I don't believe I need to change my beliefs.

I suppose this is just an insight, not really discussion value. Perhaps will induce some? Does anyone else want to go to other religion's gatherings, take in the culture?

mairsil:
According to the holy rule book of Warhammer 40K, the God-Emperor should allready be among us...

To quote the unnamed preist of Dawn of War: "LET ME PREACH HIS NAME!!!"

Butchered the pronunciation of Haruhi.

Danial:
I already worship Stephen Fry, that counts right?

It would be bad if you didn't worshipped Steven Fry, but since this is the internet thats pretty much just par for the course.

Ardenon:
what does Godzillaism teach?

... Umm that nukes are bad.

I already worship Promethea!!

Fine video, Bob, thanks for making it!

I'd just like to make the point that religion, throughout history, has done a lot of good for humanity. It's also had quite a few blunders. I believe, for many people, it still has relevance in modern society.

However, as an atheist, I believe that anything that causes divisions among mankind is detrimental to mankind. With no God to protect us, anything that happens to our species is our responsibility. We're at a time when we have the technological prowess to avert major catastrophes that, in times past, decimated our population or caused the extinction of other species. But to do that, we have to become and remain united.

Therefore, on the topic of religion, I would argue that any religion that causes divisions among humanity, by either teaching its adherents that they are better than others who do not believe, or by forcing their beliefs on others, is detrimental and a clear danger to the survival of our species.

Three words, Flying Spaghetti Monster. That's right, there is already a religion where all (i hope) of the followers are non-believers.

You know who needs a church?

Casual Shinji:
It almost seems like you made this episode for the soul reason of nullifying your previous message with that Scientology dig. I guess that makes this episode kinda useless then, aye?

Just as useless as a religion based on popculture.

ALL religions were, at some point, based on pop-culture. All religions start as ideas, and all ideas spring from whatever frame of reference you have.

That said, I think a Jedi or Sith religion wouldn't be so empty. The Jedi believe in compassion, letting go of the self and complete faith in the will of the Force (which is just the name they give the energy of life and the universe at large.) The Sith believe in passion, learning the self completely and using the Force to serve THEIR will. Yin and Yang. In the Star Wars stories, it eventually was realized that true enlightenment came from a successful mix of both doctrines. Not so bad for a religious premise, right?

People reject things like this based on what names they're given. "It's named after a movie, or a game," they reason, "so it's based on childish fiction and therefore can't have real value." But I submit that maybe those people aren't paying enough attention to the fiction produced these days. Some pieces of fiction took some very real thought to make, and have very real morals and ideas in them. Rejecting an approach to life just because of where it came from is how SEVERAL religions "misbehaved" at one time or another, not excluding the Crusades.

I'll step off my soapbox now. :)

stephen fry knows all

But you know, this will never happen. it makes sense, and it's not spouting from a half unconcious old guys mouth so why wouldn't it work? That's exactly why, because it's to logical, it makes too much sense it doesn't cater directly to the likings of the "Rulers" and the major public would reject it. They try to make a crazy new religion and it's shunned and dubbed "Satanic" or it "Poisons" young people's minds. It's just the state of the religious, and normal sociaty, mabye in the future this may work, but for now, don't try it unless you'd like your house to get firebombed. (I'm sorry if I offended anyone)

As always, an interesting show, Bob. However, the notion that the existence of some kind of supreme daddy figure could not be proved or disproved seems a little strange to me. Contemporary atheists such as Dawkins and Hitchens deny the claim about the existence of god precisely because nothing that reasonable people consider evidence can be mounted for it. Those are the same reasons we don't believe in unicorns, Metropolis, or dragons.

Their place in collective consciousness is undeniable, but a claim about the existence of unicorns isn't unprovable. Produce a unicorn, and there they are (see for instance the discovery of black swans in Australia in 1697). There is no castle of the gods on Olympus, because we've been there and looked at it. The claims of religion grow ever more grandiose in response (this is an oversimplification, there are also sound psychological reasons for their evolution). Studies are done with reasonable frequency to test these claims, such as the power of prayer (H. Benson et al., "Study of the therapeutic effects of intercessory prayer (STEP) in cardiac bypass patients", American Heart Journal 151:4, 2006, 934-42).

I think it would be a great idea to acknowledge some the paragons we see in nerd culture as more than adequate examples of things we would like to see in the real world, and the place of characters like Superman in a modern mythology (for example, the success of the Clan of the Fiery Cross story of the Superman radio show in 1946, wherein Superman takes on the Ku Klux Klan). But deifying them, having a first church of Spiderman or somesuch seems a little silly. It doesn't appear to be necessary to deify something to agree that the ideas are good, and what constitutes good ideas can be reasoned out in terms of best practice. Batman acts out of trauma, Spiderman out of guilt, but Superman out of love. Which of these is best? Seems pretty straightforward, without the need to involve ideas like worship or deification.

Although, if Alex Ross painted the ceiling of the Hall of Spiderman in Queens, which reminded us of all of the important lessons we could learn from Spiderman, I'd totally show up.

Twenty-three skidoo.

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