The Big Picture: Nerd Gods

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Emergent System:

teknoarcanist:
On Christmas:
I know it's trendy to decry Christmas as a capitalistic orgy, but really: what's so wrong about a secular holiday devoted to good will, gift-giving, charity, and kindness towards your fellow man, divorced from any obligation or threat from a higher power to do so? Sound pretty damn good to me!

It alienates everyone who isn't a christian? Can't go anywhere without hearing some crazy motherfuckers screaming "JEEESUUUS JEEESSUUSSS" our of a speaker in what passes for music during the holiday.

Think you misunderstood me. Bob said Christmas had become a celebration of capitalistic excess known as 'X-Mas'. I was asking: what's wrong with a secular holiday geared towards (to my mind) charity, good will, etc? I'm confused as to how that would alienate non-Christians??

Or did you just skip over/not know the meaning of the word 'secular' ;)

But hey, always nice to hear my Asshole Atheist brothers railing against intolerance while calling Christians 'crazy motherfuckers'. Protip: this is why Christians think we're all dicks, guy. Google the words 'hypocrisy' and 'arrogance'. Or watch Richard Dawkins talk for five minutes. But for the love of god DON'T BE RICHARD DAWKINS.

Vault Citizen:
The reason I refuse to recognise Jedi as a religion personally is that I'm not convinced that those did it do so out of genuine belief in the concept of Jedi as a religion instead of just doing it to say "look at us! we made Jedi our religion! aren't we clever!" and as such I refuse to indulge them.

agreed

You went to Catholic school, huh? I did, too. Perhaps there's a connection between that and the nerd-isms you speak of. After all, obsessions, however mild, are the sources of many elaborate stories. Moses probably thought about the Commandments just as Shakespeare thought of what to produce at a given month. If you put a highly cognitive mind to things, you can come up with something interesting.

joytex:
"The premises is actually more than 2000 years old."

Well obviously, they call it 2011 AD for a reason.

Probably ninjaed, but actually, they don't. BCE (Before Common Era) is used instead of BC and CE (Common Era) is used instead of AD almost universally in the scientific community.

I must say that I am agnostic, under the belief that. God is probably there, just don't don't encourage him.
Also my Dad put Hitch-hicker as his religion for that census, with his religious leader being Slartibartfast.

Hmm. You know who scares the heck out of me? Scientologists. What do they worship? Themselves? Money? Their own personal success? The religion itself? Xenu?

Why is the whole thing based on secrets on top of secrets? Every other recognized religion I can understand, avoid or involve myself with at my leisure, knowing what is entailed. I have NO CLUE what Scientologists are all about, and their explanations just raise more questions and sound a hell of a lot like brainwashing.

teknoarcanist:

Emergent System:

teknoarcanist:
On Christmas:
I know it's trendy to decry Christmas as a capitalistic orgy, but really: what's so wrong about a secular holiday devoted to good will, gift-giving, charity, and kindness towards your fellow man, divorced from any obligation or threat from a higher power to do so? Sound pretty damn good to me!

It alienates everyone who isn't a christian? Can't go anywhere without hearing some crazy motherfuckers screaming "JEEESUUUS JEEESSUUSSS" our of a speaker in what passes for music during the holiday.

Think you misunderstood me. Bob said Christmas had become a celebration of capitalistic excess known as 'X-Mas'. I was asking: what's wrong with a secular holiday geared towards (to my mind) charity, good will, etc? I'm confused as to how that would alienate non-Christians??

Or did you just skip over/not know the meaning of the word 'secular' ;)

But hey, always nice to hear my Asshole Atheist brothers railing against intolerance while calling Christians 'crazy motherfuckers'. Protip: this is why Christians think we're all dicks, guy. Google the words 'hypocrisy' and 'arrogance'. Or watch Richard Dawkins talk for five minutes. But for the love of god DON'T BE RICHARD DAWKINS.

I'm confused. What's wrong with Richard Dawkins? Care to elaborate? Also, SOME Christians (I'm not making generalizations) are just as guilty of the behavior you described, ie. standing outside abortion clinics condemning those going inside to hell,

dark-amon:
Actually the philosophers have had a pretty static perception of what the term 'God' means (refering to Bobs comment on humans perception of gods changing over the course of history). The premises is actually more than 2000 years old.

You mean like, oh about 2010 years ago? Make that 2011? I think you are reinforcing his claim without knowing it...

Zechnophobe:

dark-amon:
*snip*

You mean like, oh about 2010 years ago? Make that 2011? I think you are reinforcing his claim without knowing it...

More like 6500 years. (hmm... apparently Bob didn't do his research on this one, the monotheistic beliefs from which christianity is derived date back to what is commonly known to be slightly before the (human) discovery of firemaking)

And then the scientology statement...

PrototypeC:
Hmm. You know who scares the heck out of me? Scientologists. What do they worship? Themselves? Money? Their own personal success? The religion itself? Xenu?

Why is the whole thing based on secrets on top of secrets? Every other recognized religion I can understand, avoid or involve myself with at my leisure, knowing what is entailed. I have NO CLUE what Scientologists are all about, and their explanations just raise more questions and sound a hell of a lot like brainwashing.

Read the wikipedia articles, scientology appears to be based around the idea that without proper "freedom enducing treatment", you will die of pneumonia for the mere knowledge of scientological concepts. And the belief of them.

As for belief, I think it's kind of like an "Ascientism" (as in, there's no real higher power, aliens did it (which may well be possible, it's the exact method that leads me to question the mental stability of mr.Hubbard. see: Xenu) and that there can be no objective proof without assumed subjective evidence based on metaphysical alien technology somebody found somewhere we're not telling you about because you'll die of pneumonia.)

I find scientological belief to have even more metaphysical plotholes than the old testament.
And that's saying something.

Did I mention I read holy texts for fun?
And write them.
FOR FUN.

I take being a GM to its most extreme possible conclusion.

What we need to do is get the tabletop RPG commmunity to get in on this.
I know a boatload of people that would be more than happy to help come up with a new religion full of socially acceptable doctrines combined with a badass creation theory. In fact, I'll probably gather them and see if we can't make one up for the hell of it.

mmm . . . that's a lot to go over only to say "never mind."

I am hereby creating the church of Kamina, he died for our sins, and to defeat a giant mecha.

I worship the universe thats all, oh and the Scientology thing at the end was brilliant!

Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait....

When did Apatheism become Agnosticism and when did Anti-Theism become Atheism?

Nerds?! Gnostics?!

Get outta here...

Captain Pooptits:
Haarooohee, Bob? Haarooheee?

You just lost all nerd credibility with me. Stop your preaching now. Right now goddam.

It's pronounced Haruhi ffs visit a speech therapist.

Please, do not riddle MovieBob with language minutia. The native-english speaking community is so phonetically impared they can be excused. Take it from a japanese language student with 3 years behind of serious study.

Premonition:
Santa is based off of Sinterklaas, you know.

Which was in turn based around Saint Nicholas of Bari, a turkish saint based in Italy who gave good children presents and bad children rocks and brooms.

kael013:
I don't wanna think about Japan doing this. Do you have any idea how many "holy wars" would break out over the animes alone? *shivers*

Incidentally, all you Jedi out there better watch your backs 'cause the Sith just gained their first member.

EDIT: Pray to whatever deity you want to that no one starts preaching Aes Sedai philosophy. That would be one twisted New World Order.

I'd side with the Atomsk-ism side of the spectrum and up my N.O. to steal Anne Hathaway and make her mine (Look for FLCL if you have no idea what I'm talking about)

As for religion, I go to a catholic high school and it's teachings actually let me see just how "catholic" people really are in the first place and just how much catholics ignore about their own religion. And it also fundaments my agnosticism because I don't believe in what they tell me to believe nor subject myself to any kind of bogus dogma.

Kieve:
What, no one's mentioned Jenova's Witnesses yet?

...I'm surprised we don't have them running around here already.
Well, except for the bit about murder.

I'm wearing the shirt right now actually.

OT: I'm actually athiest. Of all the religious systems I know of, there are none I can believe in

Watching this, I was almost yawning. This is going nowhere. Blah blah blah. Poop. Yawnity.

BUT THE PAYOFF WAS FUCKING WORTH IT.

4 minutes of slight theological discussion and it's punctuated by possibly the best anti-Scientology jab I have seen ever. Well done MovieBob, indeed you are all about the "big picture," not only as topics but overall - your videos are self-contained narrative brilliance that work as a whole and only as a whole, as apposed to rapid fire joke-after-punchline like we're used to from, say, Zero Punctuation, or even your own At the Movies. It's been a while since I've seen videos so finely crafted as to take the 5 minutes and say "this video will use these 5 minutes to take us somewhere".

tl;dr a winrar iz u

What, no mention of Discordianism?
HAIL HAIL HAIL HAIL HAIL ERIS ERIS ERIS ERIS ERIS ALL HAIL DISCORDIA

mysterioso2006:

Krantos:

While I've never seen atheists standing on the corner yelling (yet), they do seem eager to share their opinion in personal conversation and don't like being disagreed with, which is pretty much status quo for obnoxious religious people.

I do love bringing it up in conversation (when appropriate). I love being disagreed with. How better to prove an ideal than to have it be challenged, and still have it turn out right?

IDK, maybe I've just been a magnet for obnoxious people with strong religious views. I don't mind discussing it, but every time I have the religious people just end up getting pissed when I refuse to take the bible as a source (self-validating and all that) and tell me I'm going to hell, and the Atheists generally end up quoting (often misquoting at that) Darwin or degrading the bible even after I agree with them on that point. They don't like my stance that you cannot (at least not yet) disprove the existence of God, so actively disbelieving it requires just as much faith as believing in it.

Generally my stance is "That's your opinion, good for you." I just don't like when people spout their opinions on the matter as fact. Most recent example: I was playing cards with a bunch of guys when someone (jokingly) said "go to hell" and the atheist at the table jumps in and says (not jokingly) "there is no Hell." An Awkward silence later, we just pretended he didn't say anything.

Pretty solid. I'm pretty much with him, though I probably lean a bit more atheist. I don't begrudge anybody their beliefs, just as long as they don't try to shove it down my throat. Hey, one story is as good as the next. Whatever keeps somebody from going out and being a complete jackass, have at it.

What exactly does the church of scientology teach? I remember reading about it at one point, but I don't remember anything from Battlefield Earth having to do with it.

I thought about Jedi at one point, but never got the serenity thing. I used to tell people I was a Haruhist just because there had to be some tennant approving the molestation of big breased moe girls, but got too many concerned looks. I need something new. Hmmmm... I know, that VG cats cartoon:

I am now a Jenova's witness. Care to talk about the lifestream?

In all seriousness, I'm a similar agnostic: beleif in god, can't quite get how anyone can think they "know" the answers. Not beleive. Know. That and even among religious people it can be somewhat flighty. My mom says she's religious but hasn't been to church in 20 years. My cousin just converted to catholicism not due to some deep spiritual decision, but because her husband made her. It just makes things hard to take seriously.

I think religion develops over time, though religous ideals can permiate just about anything. PC vs Mac debates, or PS3 vs Xbox 360. Republicans are now holding Ronald Reagan to a level of a religious figure. Free market ecconomists hold of Ayn Rand's fictional books not as a theoretical argument against socialism, but a s a doctrined certainty about what would happen in a socialist world (like Ayn looked into an alternate universe.) Religion always seems to be about cornoring the market on truth, even to the point of ignoring other views, opinions or condricictary evidence. We almost need a strong moral geek icon to worship at thip point, and I would also hold up Spider-Man. The central tenant he lives by is that harmful acts due to indiference can come back to have bad consequences. Something we could use today in the "me first" culture we're in.

Wait Jedi is the second biggest religion here?

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Quaxar:

maddawg IAJI:

Quaxar:

See, that's why you're not ready to be a Master yet. It's the Force!

Oh excuse me Mr.Widu, but have you survived a month in the harsh winters of Hoth yet!? I haven't either, but I already brought my ticket dammit D=<

Windu... I wish I was. Would've been a whole lot different then.
"I'm sick with this motherfuckin' Siths in this motherfuckin' Republic!" if you catch my drift.

Anyway, I may have not been to Hoth yet (their skiing ressort prices are out of my current price-range) but look at these awesome power converters I got on Tattooine!

I'm not going to a skiiing resort, I'm gonna survive in the frozen wasteland for a week (I'll be fine, I brought extra socks.)and I say BAH to your power converters and I raise you one arm of General Grevious! Someone had to loot his corpse while the Troopers were going crazy under order 66.

I myself am a lapsed Jedi. I signed up, but the bastards never sent my robes or told me what all that "living Force" and "midichlorians" stuff was supposed to be about, so screw 'em. I figure next time out I'll go Sith; at least with them, all I have to do is give in to my aggressive feelings, and I'm already pretty good at that.

I'm sure a few dozen people have beaten me to this nitpick, but: pretty much nobody thinks that's what Gnosticism was, at any point.

Aside from that, entertaining as always. Thanks, MovieBob!

Xmas is not a "secularified" version of Christmas. It is just shorthand for Christmas. X essentially means Christ.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xmas

I also do not understand why you called atheists boring. You kinda just said that without anything to support it. If it was a joke, it was a bad one. If it was a real point, it was a bad one.

Kinda funny to see not many theists in this topic (though his last reviews about religion took quite heated debates). Maybe many theists in the forum have given up on contributing to this topic or got disgusted by those without religion coming out and share their logical viewpoints.

About nerd-gods, I think not many people would recognize them as actual Gods, because people know that they are completely fictional (or at least, in this universe) and follow their basic guidelines or moral views, NOT actually believe nerd-gods are whatever they claim or do not claim to be. If there were fanatics geared toward such practice (because they actually BELIEVE the existence of nerd-gods, regardless of their reasoning as to why), then it will take more than many hundreds of years or even millennia before that could happen. Until then, it will remain as a cult or collective intellectual society that discusses and practices of.. whatever their nerd-gods stand for. I admit that most religions started with the latter way, but it seems that, one way or another, once the religion took the roots of humanity, it cannot be removed that easily.

To those who are non-militant atheists, do you have Doctor's point of view when it comes to existence of God? (as expressed in episode "Satan's Pit") Because, it looked like you (plural) were to me.

Hmm, I might be tempted to worship one of those "nerd gods"
Hell Commander Shepard took a huge dive into Jesus Allegory territory... wait a second, HOLY CRAP I KNOW HOW MASS EFFECT 3 WILL END!
Hide the eggs!!!

The church of haruhi suzumiya...... ok ill go for that but only if the second season is recognized as false scripture

kael013:
I don't wanna think about Japan doing this. Do you have any idea how many "holy wars" would break out over the animes alone? *shivers*

Incidentally, all you Jedi out there better watch your backs 'cause the Sith just gained their first member.

EDIT: Pray to whatever deity you want to that no one starts preaching Aes Sedai philosophy. That would be one twisted New World Order.

Eh, they'd all die out in about 50 years at most due to infighting and taking most of a book series just to go from one city to another.

RatRace123:
Hmm, I might be tempted to worship one of those "nerd gods"
Hell Commander Shepard took a huge dive into Jesus Allegory territory... wait a second, HOLY CRAP I KNOW HOW MASS EFFECT 3 WILL END!
Hide the eggs!!!

Heh, wouldn't that make a Garrus a... nah, too easy.

As a fellow survivor of Catholic school myself, I have often wondered why people in the west were unable to accept new (UFO religions) or even revival of old (neo-paganism) religions. We made all the old stuff up, so why can't we just make some new stuff up?

I realize that there have been some people in this thread proclaiming the virtues of faith and how these new faiths would lack the legitimacy for people to put their faith in. These people seem to lack a knowledge of history, where it becomes clear that religions are abandoned and supplanted all the time. Faith is not the reason that any of the world's major religions - Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, or Hinduism became the dominant world religions. It is also extremely naive to assume that self-proclaimed religious people in the world today actually believe the things which come out of their mouths. Religions tend to cluster around communities and a failure to espouse the tenets of the religion of the community can often result in being ostracised. As a result, I put very little stock in the argument that a religion must be legitimate enough to warrant a person placing their faith in it.

I personally fail to see how faith in one set of myths is any less valid than faith in another, newer set. Are either Buddha or Muhammed a more realistic or righteous character than Superman or Spiderman? Are angels really more believable than Greys? As a species we need to start taking our religions less seriously and enjoying them for what they are, an expression of our culture and our on going attempt to explain the incomprehensible world around us. None of them are right or wrong. And anyone who proclaims that there view and only their view is right and that society must be governed according to their incontrovertible beliefs must be confronted. To steal a line from Bill Hicks, "That's what fundamentalism breeds - no irony"

Mostly a good video though there are quite a few incorrect statements and things I disagree with (read tienman's post which explains)

I don't understand how people would start believing in a known fictional character. Yes, all religions were started by somebody, at least all but one were fiction, but people didn't know it!
And as Bob himself insinuated, the result of those new gods may be something like or worse than Scientology!

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