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Rainboq:

Captain Pooptits:

Rainboq:

Oh be quiet, he can pronounce it however he pleases.

No, he cannot.

If you heard someone butchering the French language this badly, you'd know what I'm on about.

There's a difference between language and pronunciation, language is not only pronunciation, its grammatical structure as well.

And yes, I do speak french.

I was referring to the pronunciation. If you heard someone pronounce French words incorrectly, then you would correct them.

It's like "bonjooor ooo est la camamBERT." You would correct them.

I respect your opinion on being Agnostic. The only true Atheist is a person who holds nothing sacred. That what's it means and that's what it is. Agnostic just means you believe in SOMETHING but not committed a particular belief like my mom.

In someways you have a point about making religions off of fictional characters. I mean if you love and worship that character enough you are in fact being religious... but I personally am against that.

I am a Christian Scientist, the religion that is often mistaken for Scientology because we have Science in our name. I am not fully apart of the religion, but it is the closet one to what I believe...

I respect other religions however, and their beliefs. In fact that's why I took religions classes in College... so I could learn more about religions out there, so I can except that people might believe in something I don't but I'll except that and maybe laugh behind their back XD

Also the problem with Christmas nowadays is that it is everywhere, and is the commercial aspect and not what it's about really. Every show talks about Christmas and so as to "seem" equal it mentions Hanukkah and oh look PC. Personally I believe in this... Show all or don't show any. XD Kind of like this http://cluedog.deviantart.com/gallery/911907?offset=24#/d13mzzf

Seriously read Opey the Warhead XD

If I were to be religious for someone other than God though it would totally be Cthulhu :3 Might be because I'm reading Lovecraft right now but I would totally XD

Joshic Shin:
Well, I've been pursuing some of the text in here so far, and I've noticed no one has called Bob out on this one, so I guess I will.

Bob, you are off on your belief on the "evolution" of God/s and what gnosticism means. Please, allow me to explain.

First, the evolution theory of God/s. You talked about how cavemen viewed Gods as the natural forces (Druidism approach essentially), then they attached human characteristics to them, and then BAM we got us a Greek pantheon! That isn't the case though for religions across the globe. Judaism has existed for thousands of years. Best guesses place it as far back as 1500 B.C. (Scholars best guess as to when Moses would have lived.) So, for well over 3500 years we have one religion that has existed. I'm not an anthropologists, but I've got a feeling that this may be the oldest surviving religion, and the views have not changed that much for it. The arguement could be made that since Abraham believed in other Gods and then changed to one he might have been the one to initiate the transition, but that doesn't make it evolutionary. Cults don't grow large when they compete directly with mainstream view. The only one to do that in the last 1500 years was Scientology, and that was through some pretty nasty tricks.

So, what of the other viewpoint? Gnosticism? Well, here's the problem with gnosticism, it mixes and matches but never keeps things in context. For instance, what if I told you the parable of the Good Samaritan that Jesus told? (To paraphrase that story: A man is mugged on the road and left for dead. A holy man and a priest both ignore him because he is unclean. A Samaritan comes and takes him to an inn and gets him all healed up.) Some would look at that story and just go, "Oh, do nice things. Got it!" But that misses the bigger point that Jesus was making with that parable. He was trying to show Jews that everyone is good, because he showed how someone that Jews disliked would help total strangers yet the holy men would not.

This is the problem with Gnostics and agnostics, they take small parts that sound nice but don't have the same meaning when taken out of context. If you really want to understand this though, you need to go back to how the early Christian church had to fight off the tide of Gnostic Christianity, which was attempting to blend multiple myths into Christianity (this is partly the reason why we have so many pagan festivals with a new Christian flair. The other part was just keeping up the tradition). Entirely new books were written 200 years after Christ attempting to say that they were made by the apostles, yet they claimed things that directly conflicted with the books we had from them directly or from their letters.

I would love to go more into this, but I would first need someone to critique me here. Any takers willing to start a healthy debate?

Actually Hinduism is the worlds oldest still surviving religions and it's Polytheistic to boot. Judaism was the oldest and first Monotheistic Religion (if you don't count the sect of Hinduism that believes in only one God.) but it is not the oldest still surviving religion.

RMcD94:
Damn you Bob, I respected you, now you gotta go make the masses think agnosticism is a third choice! If you lack a belief in a deity of some kind then you are not a theist. If you are not a theist, you are an atheist. And that's that. You don't even have to have a belief. Plants are atheists, they lack a belief in a deity. If you want, you can take it further, and believe in a lack of a deity (instead of lacking a belief in a deity) and that would be explicit atheism (though really there needs to be another word for it. Agnosticism is about knowledge, yes, agnostics believe knowledge of the existence of a deity is impossible to know. Hell, most Christians preach that. Gnostics (not the Christian sect you were discussing, a different thing entirely) believe that knowledge of the existence of a deity is possible to know. Not that they believe in a deity, just that they think, at one point, it'll be possible to prove it.

Actually the most common belief from religious scholars is that Atheism is lack of belief in anything sacred. You are only a true Athiest if you don't believe in a god or higher being and don't care about anything else. And considering everyone believes in Something or cares about something they are usually not Atheist.

Not believing in a deity doesn't make you a Atheist either because there are theist beliefs that believe in some thing but not a deity. Polytheism is Multiple gods, Monotheism is one god, and nonetheism believes in no god or higher being but believes in some short of Higher power.

Agnosticism just means you believe in that higher power but don't want to commit to a particular belief.

Or at least that's what I learned in my Religion Classes in College.

Quaxar:

LadyRhian:

Quaxar:

Windu... I wish I was. Would've been a whole lot different then.
"I'm sick with this motherfuckin' Siths in this motherfuckin' Republic!" if you catch my drift.

Anyway, I may have not been to Hoth yet (their skiing ressort prices are out of my current price-range) but look at these awesome power converters I got on Tattooine!

You went to Toshi Station, you n00b!

No, no, I bought it directly from this guy's landspeeder boot. Said he was a friend of Merle.
Wait, why is it smoking green?

maddawg IAJI:

Quaxar:

Windu... I wish I was. Would've been a whole lot different then.
"I'm sick with this motherfuckin' Siths in this motherfuckin' Republic!" if you catch my drift.

Anyway, I may have not been to Hoth yet (their skiing ressort prices are out of my current price-range) but look at these awesome power converters I got on Tattooine!

I'm not going to a skiiing resort, I'm gonna survive in the frozen wasteland for a week (I'll be fine, I brought extra socks.)and I say BAH to your power converters and I raise you one arm of General Grevious! Someone had to loot his corpse while the Troopers were going crazy under order 66.

"Frozen wasteland" is the name of the northern hemisphere's cross-country skiing slope...
You're living in the past man, you have to free yourself from it! A lot has changed since Luke was there.
Wampas are now respected business...things.

Nice arm but what are you going to do with it? Fix it to your body and pretend to be Zaphod Beeblebrox?

Shhhhhhhhh! Jeez man. Not so loud. The Padawans don't know I dipped into the church funds to afford this trip.

maddawg IAJI:

Quaxar:

maddawg IAJI:

I'm not going to a skiiing resort, I'm gonna survive in the frozen wasteland for a week (I'll be fine, I brought extra socks.)and I say BAH to your power converters and I raise you one arm of General Grevious! Someone had to loot his corpse while the Troopers were going crazy under order 66.

"Frozen wasteland" is the name of the northern hemisphere's cross-country skiing slope...
You're living in the past man, you have to free yourself from it! A lot has changed since Luke was there.
Wampas are now respected business...things.

Nice arm but what are you going to do with it? Fix it to your body and pretend to be Zaphod Beeblebrox?

Shhhhhhhhh! Jeez man. Not so loud. The Padawans don't know I dipped into the church funds to afford this trip.

We already have church funds? I thought we were still discussing the basic structure of this religion. Man, the confusion is strong in me.

Quaxar:

maddawg IAJI:

Quaxar:

"Frozen wasteland" is the name of the northern hemisphere's cross-country skiing slope...
You're living in the past man, you have to free yourself from it! A lot has changed since Luke was there.
Wampas are now respected business...things.

Nice arm but what are you going to do with it? Fix it to your body and pretend to be Zaphod Beeblebrox?

Shhhhhhhhh! Jeez man. Not so loud. The Padawans don't know I dipped into the church funds to afford this trip.

We already have church funds? I thought we were still discussing the basic structure of this religion. Man, the confusion is strong in me.

Of course we do. Can't you feel the power resonating from New Zealend?

maddawg IAJI:

Quaxar:

maddawg IAJI:

Shhhhhhhhh! Jeez man. Not so loud. The Padawans don't know I dipped into the church funds to afford this trip.

We already have church funds? I thought we were still discussing the basic structure of this religion. Man, the confusion is strong in me.

Of course we do. Can't you feel the power resonating from New Zealend?

I'm in Europe, you're in the US... different time zones, duh.
But I'll tell you if I do. Just give it a few hours to reach me.

Quaxar:

maddawg IAJI:

Quaxar:

We already have church funds? I thought we were still discussing the basic structure of this religion. Man, the confusion is strong in me.

Of course we do. Can't you feel the power resonating from New Zealend?

I'm in Europe, you're in the US... different time zones, duh.
But I'll tell you if I do. Just give it a few hours to reach me.

Will do. I'll bring you back a Tauntaun or something.

This was farily entertaining, Bob. I have not read any comments on here, I'm sure a ton of people have started to defend their religion or attack others.

I practice Buddism just becuase I didnt have any better religion to go for. Sure, I'd sign up for a new nerd religion, but nothing based on property owned by corperate entites, thanks.

PunkRex:

Amund:

Woodsey:
Coca-Cola didn't invent Santa Clause (or even the red and white suit I believe, they just put him in it since it went with the branding).

They did however make Rudolf, unless I'm mistaken.

I thought that was Mal Mart or another one of the big corperations, I think I read it on this sight but I cant remember where. I also heard Santa was German or was it abit further north.

Santa's origins are from Saint Nicholas. I'm sure there are other good will beings out there from other religions, I just can't think of any at the moment.

maddawg IAJI:

Quaxar:

maddawg IAJI:

Of course we do. Can't you feel the power resonating from New Zealend?

I'm in Europe, you're in the US... different time zones, duh.
But I'll tell you if I do. Just give it a few hours to reach me.

Will do. I'll bring you back a Tauntaun or something.

Oh, but these things stink like a bunch of shower-deprived Wookies on Nal Hutta!
How about one of these sexy snowspeeders?

I'm gonna be honest I don't know what to think of this.
I can see where you're coming from and it seems like a pretty good idea but..... Maybe I'm just worried about the application and minor details that could nip this before it has time to develop.

Emergent System:

...though I shouldn't, I can't help but to comment on the irony of the entire second half of your reply to me...

Ironic in that it is, itself, intolerant? Well see, my calling you an asshole was unrelated to the fact that you're an atheist (I am as well, if that's not clear by now). It's how you present your atheism that led me to call you an Asshole Atheist.

Because, in my experience, all of my atheist (and even agnostic) friends slide pretty well into two categories.

The first is the Pretty Cool Atheist; a person who may find intellectual or philosophical interest in certain belief systems, but simply cannot agree to their literal, factual truth; for whom ancient ritualistic texts hold very little modern moral relevance; but who is an open-minded person, always tolerant of others' beliefs. Carl Sagan was the absolute epitome of this type -- he strove to stress the spiritual and philosophical beauty of the secular sciences to people who had never quite seen the Cosmos in that light.

The other is the Asshole Atheist, who generalizes wildly about those who practice religion and makes a habit of using words like 'sheeple'. I lump Dawkins into this category. Yes, the man has done great work as a scientist -- and I think his coining of the term 'meme' and his support of memetics as a growing science shows some real academic balls -- but any time I see a video of him talking about religion, it's always got a tone of insult, condescension, and patronization. It's a circle-jerk for other atheists; "Look how much smarter we are than everyone else! I can spout pithy one-liners about why I don't need religion and why everyone who does is a goddamn baby!"

The Asshole Atheist irritates me because they don't help anything. Being an Asshole Atheist doesn't help sway your Christian friend to believe in Evolution. It doesn't open your Catholic friend up to similarities with other religions. It doesn't accomplish anything, in fact, but to help the Asshole Atheist intellectually masturbate about how awesome he is. It's abrasive, it's irritating, and it makes you very boring to talk to at parties.

It IS possible to be anti-dogma in a dogmatic fashion . . .

So yeah.

That's what the second half of my comment meant.

Asshole Atheist.

We have come to terms.

Also: done with this thread -_- Very little interest in prolonged forum argument.

Dear Bob.
I wanted to say that I enjoy your videos to an insane amount and have been a great fan for a wile. the main reason I sighed up is to say that I'am a fanboy(you can decide if that's a good thing or not), I've seen all your game overthinker videos and enjoyed all of them, every video you make, I feel I've learnt something or gained an insight.

I think I should state my nerd god's so this post is in keeping with the video.
Bob, Steven Fry, Dr. Steven Novella, Nobuo Uematsu, Carl Sagan, James Randi last and not least Christopher Hitching.
I honestly wile making this list couldn't think of a black person, females or transgendered people, maybe I'am looking too much in to this but the only black person I could think of was Morgan Freeman and that's because of a brilliant voice.

they tend to be white males sometimes over Weight, maybe it's easier to relate to people who look like me.

Maybe there's not a lot of figure heads of nerddom aren't black. most tend to be sports people or artist of music which isn't in my taste.

There is no reason for a women not to be in there but there just isn't.

I can say one thing when you said Christopher Hitching was boring, there was a little bit of cognitive dissonance, to see one guy I admire say that another guy I admire was boring, made me feel weird, maybe it's an automatic assumption that you had all the same interests as me.

Keep up the great work.
Martin.

Quaxar:

maddawg IAJI:

Quaxar:

I'm in Europe, you're in the US... different time zones, duh.
But I'll tell you if I do. Just give it a few hours to reach me.

Will do. I'll bring you back a Tauntaun or something.

Oh, but these things stink like a bunch of shower-deprived Wookies on Nal Hutta!
How about one of these sexy snowspeeders?

Do I look like Xandel Carivus to you? I'm not made of money and I'm already tight on cash going into this trip! I'll get you a Wampa skull, but that's about the best I can do.

What I wouldn't give to hear people use the terms "atheist", and "agnostic" right for once.

Joss Whedon: God Of Angst and The Torturing of One's Creations.
Summer Glau: Goddess of Badass Actresses (To quote Nathan Fillion on his training for Serenity compared to hers: I was there barely three weeks. And I would complain about my time there, and every time I'd come in, I'd see Summer doing her thing, kicking something above her head about sixty times. I'd be warming up and doing my stuff, cool down and leave, and she's in the corner fighting nine guys. And she had to start months before us. She worked really hard. -Interview with zetaminor.com, 2005, taken from Firefly: Still Flying).

It's funny that Bob should mention superman because a German named Friedrich Nietzsche was the first theoretical creator of superman and called him Ubermensch his philosophy was biased generally around how Superman has ethical immunity.

Already way ahead of you, Bob. I've had my religious views listed as "Batman" since I signed up for Facebook 4 years ago.

And lo,was the new religion "Noobism" founded. But seriously, this a good idea.

lokiduck:

RMcD94:
Damn you Bob, I respected you, now you gotta go make the masses think agnosticism is a third choice! If you lack a belief in a deity of some kind then you are not a theist. If you are not a theist, you are an atheist. And that's that. You don't even have to have a belief. Plants are atheists, they lack a belief in a deity. If you want, you can take it further, and believe in a lack of a deity (instead of lacking a belief in a deity) and that would be explicit atheism (though really there needs to be another word for it. Agnosticism is about knowledge, yes, agnostics believe knowledge of the existence of a deity is impossible to know. Hell, most Christians preach that. Gnostics (not the Christian sect you were discussing, a different thing entirely) believe that knowledge of the existence of a deity is possible to know. Not that they believe in a deity, just that they think, at one point, it'll be possible to prove it.

Actually the most common belief from religious scholars is that Atheism is lack of belief in anything sacred. You are only a true Athiest if you don't believe in a god or higher being and don't care about anything else. And considering everyone believes in Something or cares about something they are usually not Atheist.

Not believing in a deity doesn't make you a Atheist either because there are theist beliefs that believe in some thing but not a deity. Polytheism is Multiple gods, Monotheism is one god, and nonetheism believes in no god or higher being but believes in some short of Higher power.

Agnosticism just means you believe in that higher power but don't want to commit to a particular belief.

Or at least that's what I learned in my Religion Classes in College.

Well, the internet ate my reply. Basically, never heard that definition. A = not in greek. Atheist, not theist, etc, etc. Deities can be multiple ones, or not actual beings, etc, only reason I say a deity is to save time.

Vault Citizen:
The reason I refuse to recognise Jedi as a religion personally is that I'm not convinced that those did it do so out of genuine belief in the concept of Jedi as a religion instead of just doing it to say "look at us! we made Jedi our religion! aren't we clever!" and as such I refuse to indulge them.

A god, when you get down to it is basically just a thing of worship right? Until you define the rest of its traits it's equal to something you really really really like. So whos to say that they don't believe? Next time I have to put my religion on a form, maybe I'll put that I worship cake. Why not? I really really really like cake.

Bigred42:
It's funny that Bob should mention superman because a German named Friedrich Nietzsche was the first theoretical creator of superman and called him Ubermensch his philosophy was biased generally around how Superman has ethical immunity.

I assume you're referring to the "splendid blond beast" line in Thus Spoke Zarathustra. As a huge Nietzsche supporter, may I just say that most people who study him agree that line wasn't written by him, but by his Nazi sister, Elisabeth, who inherited the rights to his works. That's why you can find "kill jews" subtexts in many of his works.

In fact, Nietzsche hated anti-semites. He refused to attend his sisters because she was marrying a Nazi, and once wrote that "anti-Semites should be shot."

But I already worship a character from a game and have built a religion all around him.

He's about 30ft tall, weighs about 15 tonnes and shoots lasers out of his eyes.......

I'm talking of course.......about the church of PRIMETOLOGY!!!

image

Let his optical lasers of love cleanse your soul as his nuclear grenades of Divine light purify your sinful fleshy bodies.

"I DIE.....SO THAT DEMOCRACY MAY YET LIVE".

The last words of the messiah before he left to watch over us from his Robco maintenance bay in the sky.

omegawyrm:

Frank_Sinatra_:
The Church of Gundam

So who is the head honcho?
Katoki?
Tomino?
Char?

THE UNDEFEATED OF THE EAST!

Look! The East is burning red! *fist clash*

OT: Great episode as always, Bob. I loved that Scientology bit at the end, lol.

Captain Pooptits:

Rainboq:

Captain Pooptits:

No, he cannot.

If you heard someone butchering the French language this badly, you'd know what I'm on about.

There's a difference between language and pronunciation, language is not only pronunciation, its grammatical structure as well.

And yes, I do speak french.

I was referring to the pronunciation. If you heard someone pronounce French words incorrectly, then you would correct them.

It's like "bonjooor ooo est la camamBERT." You would correct them.

No, I would ask then to switch to English or their native tongue.

I don't think you know the meaning of the word 'atheist' and/or 'agnostic', Bob. They're not mutually exclusive. If you don't actively believe in something, you are an atheist (meaning without belief, note the prefix a-), and if you claim not to know something, you are agnostic about it.

You clearly don't claim to know if a 'higher power' exists, and you seem not to subscribe to that sort of belief either, therefore I think you are an agnostic atheist.

Woodsey:
Coca-Cola didn't invent Santa Clause (or even the red and white suit I believe, they just put him in it since it went with the branding).

I'm not sure if they invented the name, but they really did invent his image in the very least.

All hail Bruce Cambell! All hail Bruce Cambell! The power of the chin compels you! The power of the chin compels you!

In all seriousness though, Bob makes a good point about good advice or ideas that can be followed without necessarily believing i.e. "With great power comes great responisibility"

What about Katsumoto from The Last Samurai "Life in every breath, that is the way of bushido"

Or Bowen and Draco in Dragonheart- The Old Code:
"A knight is sworn to valor.
His heart knows only virtue.
His blade defends the helpless.
His might upholds the weak.
His word speaks only truth.
His wrath undoes the wicked."
Bushido:
Gi (honesty and justice) A samurai deals openly and honestly with others and cleaves to the ideals of justice. Moral decisions do not come in shades of gray, only right and wrong
Yu (heroic courage) A samurai never fears to act, but lives life fully and wonderfully. Respect and caution replace fear.
Jin (compassion) A samurai takes every opportunity to aid others, and creates opportunities when they do not arise. As a powerful individual, a samurai has a responsibility to use that power to help others.
Rei (polite courtesy) A samurai has no reason to be cruel, and no need to prove his strength. Courtesy distinguishes a samurai from an animal, and reveals one's true strength
Meyo (honor) A samurai's conscience is the judge of his honor. The decisions he makes and how he carries them out are a reflection of his true nature.
Makoto (complete sincerity) When a samurai has said that he shall perform an action, it is as good as done. He need not make promises: speaking and doing are one and the same.
Chugo (duty and loyalty) A samurai feels responsible for his actions and their consequences, and loyal to the people in his care. A samurai's loyalty to his lord is unquestionable and unquestioning.

I believe these are values that any person of any faith can follow, and they would be the better for it.

I personally look to the Old Code and the code of Bushido for guidance, and lately I have really been intrigued by some of the eastern religions, particularly Taoism.

danpascooch:

Woodsey:
Coca-Cola didn't invent Santa Clause (or even the red and white suit I believe, they just put him in it since it went with the branding).

I'm not sure if they invented the name, but they really did invent his image in the very least.

Look for my other post with the Wikipedia quote - they didn't.

Well that is fine in my book. Just making sure some people hear what's out there.

Woodsey:

danpascooch:

Woodsey:
Coca-Cola didn't invent Santa Clause (or even the red and white suit I believe, they just put him in it since it went with the branding).

I'm not sure if they invented the name, but they really did invent his image in the very least.

Look for my other post with the Wikipedia quote - they didn't.

the Coca-Cola advertising campaign had the effect of popularising the depiction of Santa as wearing red and white, in contrast to the variety of colours he wore prior to that campaign; red and white was originally given by Nast.

That's from wikipedia, like I said, they didn't invent Santa Claus, but they invented his image. Sure Thomas Nast created the image, but what's important is who popularized it. After all, the Vikings discovered America WAY before Christopher Columbus, but who the hell gives a shit, nothing was done about it until Columbus found it, much in the same way that Red and White Santa didn't become his popular image until Coca Cola used it.

Wow, don't I feel totally weird, being a long-time fan and all, and a Scientologist?

Bob wouldn't 'mention any names' about the larger religions, but apparently that doesn't apply if the target is small enough.

What a pussy.

It's interesting that Bob feels so intimidated by members of large religions that he is too scared to have a go at them in his videoblog, and yet Scientology is safe enough to attack publicaly. Apparently Bob is not afraid that fanatics will send him letter bombs or whatever else he is scared will happen if he names names about which major religions are 'misbehaving'.

Apparently Bob realises that the most civilised people like Scientologists would do is just call him out on being an ignorant, bigoted asshole, not like those scary Christians? Muslims? Jews? I don't know...maybe we Scientologists aren't the crazy ones.

And, seriously? Fuck you guys in the comments.

Haruhism already is a religion, and it's AWESOME!

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