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I'm Sad Now

Sometimes, looking ahead isn't always such a fun thing to do.

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I dine upon your sorrows. Your delicious delicious sorrows.

Well it can always be worse, I think Batman 7( I think tis 7 now not counting the 60s tv films) will be more like beginnings ok but could have been better.

Spider man was a mess if 3 was not a train wreck it might could sustain the weight of further continuity, I liked the first film so in all I bet the new one will suck, unless they figure out that copying ultimate marvel crap is not the way to go....

A shame transformers needs a reboot and less junk heap designs..... lets follow the 80s TV plot a bit more minus the human focus on the stories....

Like I said in another thread mixing batman and super man is easy enough but the way hollywood dose things it will suck.....

I'm actually glad their not making a new Spidey with the original cast or with Raimi at the helm.

I love the first 2 movies, but by the 3rd one you could tell everyone was getting really tired of reprising the same role. Tobey Maguire didn't really have that boyish enthusiasm anymore which made him so endearing in the the first 2 movies, Kirsten Dunst started to look old, and Danny Elfman and John Dykstra were either dropped or left the production. The later of which I'm sure nobody was really bothered with but me.

I don't have any hopes for the reboot, but I'm glad the original was laid to rest.

Transformers 3 will be fine. I'm sure it would be like the first, which was very entertaining and wasn't dumb like the sequel. I know people romanticize the cartoons, and act like Bay is the most offensive person out there, but there was a country named CARBOMBYA people!

deeper into the dark side of post-9/11 anxieties in a manner that no mainstream genre film had yet dared

Actually War of The Worlds did. Spielberg even deliberately used 9/11 imagery such as the ash on people's faces and clothes, and the board with the missing people's names on it. This, combined with the panic of being under constant attack by a devastating enemy, gave that film a terrifying, yet grounded, atmosphere. I know most people don't like it, but I find it pretty underrated.

In fact there was an article about it:

irector Steven Spielberg says his version of the 1898 H.G. Wells novel about hostile alien invaders reflects American anxiety over the threat of Middle Eastern terrorists infiltrating the USA and causing mass devastation like the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

"Every iteration of War of the Worlds has occurred in times of uncertainty," he says. "We live under a veil of fear that we didn't live under before 9/11. There has been a conscious emotional shift in this country."

As mechanized tripods crawl across civilization, zapping people to dust inside their clothes and toppling buildings, War of the Worlds includes many images as indelible as the 9/11 attacks.

The dust-caked faces of thousands of terrified, fleeing citizens. The hundreds of "Have You Seen ... ?" posters with photos and contact information for loved ones trying to find the lost. One line of dialogue - "Did you lose anybody?" - was a common New York greeting at the time.

Orson Welles' infamous 1938 radio version, which caused panic on the East Coast among people who thought it was real, "preyed upon American fears of Hitler running rampant over eastern Europe," Spielberg says. 1953's movie version produced by George Pal was fueled by Cold War hysteria and the threat of nuclear destruction.

New York Post critic Lou Lumenick had mixed feelings about Spielberg's film but says using 9/11 imagery was "a valid form of artistic expression."

"I don't think any subject is off-limits, depending on how it's handled," Lumenick says. "If Spielberg had planes crashing into towers, I think that would upset a lot more people."

Village Voice critic Michael Atkinson says the images might be coming too soon for many New Yorkers.

"It might be just a matter of how close you were to Ground Zero that day," Atkinson says. "That might determine how much you're ready to have those things be used as aspects of mass entertainment."

I'd like more good news about The Hobbit. Is Guillermo del Toro still not directing it like I always dreamed?

I'm a little more optimistic about Batman 3's prospects. I'm a little confused though as to whether Bob thinks it won't be a good film or it won't be a commercial success. Batman Forever and Spiderman 3 were both more successful financially than their predecessors, even though they were clearly less interesting. Given that Nolan was able to get 800 Million box office on a non-sequel, hard (-ish) sci-fi film, I'm willing to bet Batman 3 will be massive.

If Nolan has as much creative control as he's had previously, I've got high hopes for the quality of Batman 3, even though I thought the end of The Dark Knight was a bit dire.

Awww, poor guy.

So sad to see someone truly suffer over such important life changing events (movies?!).

The Dark Knight was good, but hardly earth-shattering beyond its commercial weight.
I walked in not knowing about Ledger's death and came out surprisingly satisfied (I just about swore movies off forever after watching Pirates 3, and how they completely missed the point of what made the first movie so damn fun and memorable).

Perhaps I'll have the benefit of anti-hype again, and "Batman 3" (doesn't that film already exist?) will turn out to be good.

As for the Spiderman reboot...I can't wait for it to tank. I'm so eagerly waiting for it to fail.
Seriously. I hate the three modern Spiderman films. The first one I admit was promising and well-paced, but the second movie drove me nuts. The third movie was just torturous to even be near.

The only thing I'll remember from those movies 10 years from now is the magic cube that Doctor Octopus referred to as "Tritium" (I wasn't aware heavy water came in solid gold cubic form. It's just Hydrogen with 3 neutrons. IT ISN'T THAT FUCKING RARE. WE CAN MANUFACTURE IT.)

As for other movies...I honestly have nothing else on the docket.
Less than zero, if we're counting on Michael Bay raping my childhood yet again.

Casual Shinji:
I'm actually glad their not making a new Spidey with the original cast or with Raimi at the helm.

I love the first 2 movies, but by the 3rd one you could tell everyone was getting really tired of reprising the same role. Tobey Maguire didn't really have that boyish enthusiasm anymore which made him so endearing in the the first 2 movies, Kirsten Dunst started to look old, and Danny Elfman and John Dykstra were either dropped or left the production. The later of which I'm sure nobody was really bothered with but me.

I don't have any hopes for the reboot, but I'm glad the original was laid to rest.

I agree. 3 pretty much wrapped everything up, even if it did stumble across the finish line, so when I heard Raimi and Co. wanted to do a fourth, part of me was skeptical.

That said, I'm really dreading the reboot. An unproven director (who was likely hired on the cheap to be a Yes-Man), a script from the guy who wrote Zodiac, a.k.a. 'David Frincher going downhill', and a lot of otherwise talented people who are miscast (except Emma Stone, I think she's the only spot-on choice) all made me uncomfortable with the idea of the reboot. Then, I saw the first photo from filming, showing Andrew Garfield looking like a constipated Robert Pattinson with wool mitts

As long as there's no ferry scene, Rises will rock.

Also: Michael Bay is, and always has been, a massive douchebag.

Sucker Punch comes out in 2011.

I cease to care about any movie woes knowing that I will be watching Sucker Punch in approximately 3 months.

Good thing I concern myself with game releases rather than movies. But don't worry Bob, if Cap and Thor do well that gives us two more reasons to be excited for the Avengers film, making 2012 an amazing year to be a Marvel fan. :D

.....eeeehhhhhh... I dunno these days. i figure movies will be the way they always have; piles of shit and money that has to waded through to find a couple of diamonds. Its just that now the piles of shit are the watered down dust of the monuments that stood in my childhood.

Also Is it just me or is christopher Nolan coming off a more of a douche than anything else? I mean great films aside this guy doesn't seem like a good person the way some others (George Lucas, Stephen Speilberg, Clint Eastwood) have been.

mireko:

Also: Michael Bay is, and always has been, a massive douchebag.

So, making movies you don't like apparently makes him a douchebag now?

Or do you have any other, more susbtantial reasons?

OT: I have noticed that most of those have to do with superhero movies. And most of those don't really seem like news THAT bad.

JourneyThroughHell:

mireko:

Also: Michael Bay is, and always has been, a massive douchebag.

So, making movies you don't like apparently makes him a douchebag now?

Or do you have any other, more susbtantial reasons?

OT: I have noticed that most of those have to do with superhero movies. And most of those don't really seem like news THAT bad.

It's not just that I don't like them, after watching Transformers I felt like I had just become a worse person. Like it had burned away a part of my brain that I could never get back.

No substantial reasons though, I obviously don't know the guy.

OT: I don't see how a lull in superhero movies is such a disaster either. Maybe some incompetent directors will ruin a few franchises for a while, but it's not like they won't come back to superhero movies eventually anyway.

I mean, even after Joel Schumacher ruined Batman for everyone, they still gave Christopher Nolan hundreds of millions of dollars to reboot the franchise.

Monsters- Bob I'm sorry but much like The Road review I heartily disagree. Your concept of Indie is not mine nor a lot of others. I thought it was at best good and at worst decent. There was nothing innately wrong with it other than the main characters not being completely fleshed out. Low budget indie scifi film.

It was actually better than Boondock saints 2 which was well, boring. There really wasn't anything new added to the story, the villain was bland, The required sidekick was annoying.

Additionally I liked Skyline. Why? or better GOOD GOD why? because.. it actually reminded me of the plot and hopelessness of Half-Life and it's sequels. It even has a twist videogamie ending. now if you're not a nerd specifically a videogame nerd? to each his own. sorry.

Yeah, fuck Sony. I hate that I have to go see spiderman. The only thing that will talk me out of it is the trailer. Strangely, it is the plot of Ultimate Spiderman which I like. No complaints there.

No Justice league and I don't expect one. If Chris Nolan has shown us anything it's that DC as a whole sucks ass and jaggoff johns just makes it worse. It's all up to the writers to make it good and they only focus on single characters or groups. Look at Grant Morrison and Alan moore(I'd name more but I'm lazy.)

So yeah no justice league until some badass badshit writer gets ahold of it and the money to do it.(I'm looking at you mark millar.)

Bay- yeah I hate him too and I hate that studio that does the remakes even more. Hope he chokes in that swimming pool of money.

mireko:

It's not just that I don't like them, after watching Transformers I felt like I had just become a worse person. Like it had burned away a part of my brain that I could never get back.

No substantial reasons though, I obviously don't know the guy.

Well, that's not the problem with Bay, but with your self-perception.

Bay openly admits his movies kind of suck and that he makes them for a specific demographic.

I find some of the stuff he does enjoyable, but even when I don't (Armageddon, Pearl Harbor etc.), I don't feel like I've become a "worse person" for watching it.

"Godzilla is one of the most important movie icons in cinematic history."

What the hell are you smoking?

JourneyThroughHell:

mireko:

Also: Michael Bay is, and always has been, a massive douchebag.

So, making movies you don't like apparently makes him a douchebag now?

Or do you have any other, more susbtantial reasons?

Well, it's also the opinion of just about every actor who's ever worked under him...

Sylocat:

JourneyThroughHell:

mireko:

Also: Michael Bay is, and always has been, a massive douchebag.

So, making movies you don't like apparently makes him a douchebag now?

Or do you have any other, more susbtantial reasons?

Well, it's also the opinion of just about every actor who's ever worked under him...

That I am unaware of.

Links, please?

(damn capitcha)

Ahem, anyway...

Batman 3 will probably not be as BIG and AMAZING a film as Dark Knight for more than just the Blue-Moon miracles it had going on for it. Lest we forget that it had JOKER! And most anyone who knows who or what Batman is will know of Joker as well. It's a damn shame they are unwilling to find anyone to reprise the role, at the very least, for a cameo. I get why, but even a glimpse would be a nice reminder. Unfortunately, we also killed off 2-Face and Ras and what else can Scarecrow really do at this point? This leaves a void in Gotham for a new villain but the list we have left makes it hard to really put together anything as spectacular as what we've had. There are some good ones, but none that have the same impact as the people we've seen thus far.

Speaking of Batman 3, I'm starting to dislike Nolan a lot more based off this article. So its his fault that we won't get a Batman/Superman crossover? I mean, the DCAU pulled it off perfectly. Joker proposes to kill Superman for Luthor while Batman is tracking him down to Metropolis. It writes itself. And that's probably the easiest way to do it, but there are many other ways too. Is Nolan just against having fun or something? I like the guy's movies, but he seems like a bit of a fun-killer if he won't let something like Batman/Superman exist. We all know that familiar names like that would most likely guarantee a commercial success.

Transformers 3: Say what you will about the first two. I found some moments within both to be somewhat enjoyable. But I saw the trailer for the 3rd and I just didn't like it for a second. Nothing about it made me think it was going to be good in any way at all. Unless we get some dinobots or unicron (both of which are incredibly unlikely) I can say that I'll probably avoid this film like the plague.

And as for Spiderman... WHY? Why did Sony drop Raimi? It wasn't his fault the 3rd installment flopped like it did. Too many people were giving him too many demands all at once. You can't have three completely unrelated villains take place in one movie. Venom himself could have gotten his own movie and it would have been better for it. Plus, Sandman? I'm not sure if he is really a good character to throw against spiderman as a villain. The only one that really made sense was Harry becoming a new goblin because that is both true in the comics and follows the plot the movie was doing anyway. Raimi's series had so much potential to take it so much further but Sony just killed it. If anything, it just further proves my belief that Sony is full of idiots.

I found nothing else to disagree with, except with the MONSTERS bit. It was the only monster movie in years with good pacing of the monster (opposite: Cloverfield), with showing you just enough. The ending when the monsters are finally revealed, it was as awe-inspiring as first seeing the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park. Gareth Edwards nailed the mystique of the monsters, and I can't wait for similarly jaw-dropping scenes in GODZILLA.

If anything, everyone else should just see the ending of MONSTERS.

Moeez:
I found nothing else to disagree with, except with the MONSTERS bit. It was the only monster movie in years with good pacing of the monster (opposite: Cloverfield), with showing you just enough. The ending when the monsters are finally revealed, it was as awe-inspiring as first seeing the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park. Gareth Edwards nailed the mystique of the monsters, and I can't wait for similarly jaw-dropping scenes in GODZILLA.

If anything, everyone else should just see the ending of MONSTERS.

The only thing I disagree with is - That you gotta actually sit through all of the film for the big monster ending to be enjoyable. I mean if I just skipped to the gas station without the perspective gained from all the chaos and tragedy leading up to it the ending wouldn't be as impressive or meaningful.

MovieBob:
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Well, the Hobbit is going to suck because it is a prequel and Hollywood hasn't made a good prequel since the second Godfather and Indiana Jones films :'(

Not G. Ivingname:

Well, the Hobbit is going to suck because it is a prequel and Hollywood hasn't made a good prequel since the second Godfather and Indiana Jones films :'(

I doubt it. The Hobbit is going to be fantastic, just you wait.

piscian:

Moeez:
I found nothing else to disagree with, except with the MONSTERS bit. It was the only monster movie in years with good pacing of the monster (opposite: Cloverfield), with showing you just enough. The ending when the monsters are finally revealed, it was as awe-inspiring as first seeing the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park. Gareth Edwards nailed the mystique of the monsters, and I can't wait for similarly jaw-dropping scenes in GODZILLA.

If anything, everyone else should just see the ending of MONSTERS.

The only thing I disagree with is - That you gotta actually sit through all of the film for the big monster ending to be enjoyable. I mean if I just skipped to the gas station without the perspective gained from all the chaos and tragedy leading up to it the ending wouldn't be as impressive or meaningful.

My bad, you're right. The ending is more meaningful with the rest of the movie. Otherwise, out-of-context the scene might just confuse viewers who have no idea that the monsters are

! And also, it requires a second viewing to realise that the beginning which just makes the movie come full circle.

I saw Inception last week for the first time and it left me with one overriding thought; Nolan can do no wrong.
Let me clarify that statement. He got tons of praise for The Dark Knight even though it had little characterisation, a very uneven dialogue to action beat ratio, ropey fight scene editing (obviously didn't learn from the first one) lacked cohesion and too many endings. It was a very entertaining movie with great dialogue but it wasn't the comic book masterpiece that a lot of people made it out to be. Then he made Inception, and what a giant load of self serving pretension that turned out to be. Convoluted beyond belief (no, I understood the plot), completely lacking in any charm or charisma, special effects that, although breathtaking, were as unnecessary as the whole of the 'snowy mountain fortress scene' and finishing off with the most trite end of film cliché it could have.
Then it goes and gets rave revues, so like I said; he can do no wrong.
Judging by the reaction too his 'Matrix for the pretentious', he could phone in the next Batman and people would still be queuing up to kiss his ignoble behind.

Im pissed that they got rid of Raimi. Spiderman 1 was well paced, had a decent story, and great acton. Spiderman 2 was very well paced, had a very good story, and great action. Then they totally screw over Raimi on the third one and boot him off the series and get someone who will follow their every command without question. WHAT THE HELL!

I don't understand how he's already thinking that Batman 3 will be a disappointment. We know very little about the project so where is this basis coming from. There are plenty of great sequels to great movies, Spider-man 2, X-2, Hellboy 2. Maybe its because its the third movie, and the third usually sucks. Still I think you should give it a chance rather than shooting it down before you even know what the movie is about.

Bob, I still don't understand why you or anyone else is so damned mad about this Spiderman reboot. Andrew Garfield is a fantastic actor, Emma Stone is lovable in everything she's in, the writer has a couple stinkers along with fucking ZODIAC on his resume, Marc Webb made a delightful romantic comedy(?). Sure, Raimi isn't helming anything anymore, but I never felt like his style or vision was showing on the screen all that much (especially after the first one became a mega-hit).

I'm much more anxious about The Avengers, but that's my personal bias against Joss Whedon showing through for the 818,932th time.

All I can say is, who cares about the movies when we're getting an HBO series version of George R.R. Martins book A Game of Throwns this April! For me personally no movies can top that.

Neptunus Hirt:

Not G. Ivingname:

Well, the Hobbit is going to suck because it is a prequel and Hollywood hasn't made a good prequel since the second Godfather and Indiana Jones films :'(

I doubt it. The Hobbit is going to be fantastic, just you wait.

That is what we all said when the Phantom Menace came out, don't let your nostalgia cloud your judgement.

Gunnyboy:
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YOU!...

I want to take you out back and make sweet love to you....

Ok, sorry, but thanks for posting all the things you said, you read my mind exactly, and encapsulated my entire thought on this thread. Thanks.

I'm glad that Raimi got canned by Sony. When hired to do a job in the way that the people with money want you to do it, YOU FUCKING DO IT! You don't sabotage your work and do it half-assed just because you don't like their ideas, you be a professional and do the best job you can.

Then count all the money you got paid for your work and anticipate another job from those folks whom you may think are idiots, but are the idiots with the money.

Raimi deserved to be canned, he did a shitty job with Spidey 3; it was so mangled in my opinion that it HAD to be done on purpose. I hope the reboot does well and that all the Raimi fans will shut the hell up.

Plus, the creepy kid from Pleasantville isn't in it, so already the movie is looking up.

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