The Big Picture: Conspiracy Weary

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Napoleon once said,
"Never assume conspiracy over incompetency".
basically, it is always far more likely that people are that stupid than it is that they are that sneaky

Mr.Mattress:
Seriously, you missed one of the most Blatant Conspiracy Theories of the Modern century: That the American Government on Purposefully Caused 9/11! Why didn't you talk about that one? Do you think their might be some truth to that? I'm not saying "The U.S. Government Didn't Know", cause in all honesty, they probably did know but brush it off or didn't really care. I am saying "The U.S. Government did not rig up the World Trade Centers With Bombs!"

Also, it would have been nice if you touched the "Paul Is Dead" Conspiracy Theory, but I'll let you slide with that one.

OT: Agree'd and Agree'd: Conspiracy theories are ridiculous. I am not sure that it's just because people want to make more sense of the world (Cause the Explanations given to them make more sense). I think it's a combination of people falling for or misinterpreting information, trying to feel like they are smart or will change the world, and idiocy.

I always find it facepalm-worthy when people say the WTC was destroyed by controlled demolition.

There's an article that I can't find which pretty much proves that it would have been impossible to do without anyone noticing. I can't find it at the moment, but it has a lot of evidence.

For example, controlled demolition explosives take weeks or months to set up (that's only for an average building) so some people would have had to sneak in at night (after all, they don't wanna get caught) and plant explosives in the WTC for months on end (if that was the case, why did nobody notice explosives lying around). And even if they found a team large enough to somehow do it in one night, why has no-one come forward to say something? Even just one person in the hysteria of the moment? It makes no sense. Not even one person who might have noticed a huge-ass building crew going into the towers one night.

The JFK Conspiracy theory is the only one that I still haven't figured out yet. In high school, we had an entire day devoted to this theory. Some of the info made me question a little bit on the assassination only being Lee Oswald's doing. The amount of time to reload, aim, and fire the rifle would have taken a lot longer then what was shown on video (video had the sounds of the gun shot). Lee bought the gun for cheap, only 20$ which was still considered cheap back then for a rifle.

Bob is dead wrong, again.
Nothing is random. Nothing. A dice is controlled by the throw; not a percentage selection.
You don't need "super computers" to calculate percentages to proclaim things non-random. All things are reactions to other events. As Bob put it, shit happens, and these "crazy" conspiracy people cannot accept this. In actuality, the opposite is the truth, namely everything does happen for a reason but one cannot always have the perception to notice the correlation.

The green movement is a fraud. Isn't it funny how most, if not all, such movements are opposed to nuclear energy (you know, the most effective and least environmentally disruptive energy plant?) and how they are pro animal rights. The thing is that environmentalists and anti-nuclear, as well as pro animal rights activists all greatly overlap with each other; they'd cripple themselves if they were honest to their principle of protecting the environment as their electors are greedy and shortsighted just as the rest of us, liberal or no. A more effective way to slow global warming would be to kill all unnecessary animals. A normal domesticated dog is worse than a normal faring SUV. You don't see environmentalists agitate against animal owners and shelters, do you?

Global warming is hardly something negative we humans are creating, worsening, or destroying.
Basically, the green political movement is a fraud.
In a twist of irony, using resources efficiently is more important than emissions and many of these resources are today used to build useless things by order of the green, such as wind turbines (strange how wind turbines can be considered modern when they have been used for a thousand years in agriculture, but whatever, the propaganda posters are good craftsmanship). Effectively the green movement is worse for the environment than a industrialist party. Oh snap.

And Bob, stop being so goddamn smug. :)

Some conspiracies are true. I mean historically there were conspirators right who conspired against something.

But mass-media "conspiracy theories"... yeah...

How dare Bob make a video that has a point and one I can agree on. How can I reconcile my undying hatred for everything else he has done when he is right about this one thing? Is it possible that we could share the views on some things and not on others? Impossible! Damn you Bob, damn you....

But alas, it was McCain all along being the sleeper agent from Panama! They will finally take their revenge on us for that unholy canal!
Also, I believe that corporations are so far up the ass of the US government that there is no reason to say the gov't was retarded in invading Iraq. The people who put them there (twice) might have been, but I have a wacky theory for you:
During the Iran-Iraq War, Iraq was supported by the US because the US disliked Iran since the Islamic Revolution. A deal was struck, where the US would provide arms and training to the Iraqi Armed Forces, and in return, gain special exclusive access to their oil fields. Things were going smoothly until the late 80s, when Saddam Hussein looked at how much his country had been changed. The old Muslim culture was dissipating, and a neo-colonialist superpower was constantly asking for more oil from them. Finally in 1991 Hussein snapped, had enough, and told his people to go to war with Kuwait, another country who was US "supported." To control their oil "partners," the US and several of their allies defended Kuwait and Saudi Arabia because of how much oil they were buying legitimately from. When Iraq knew they had no chance (Hussein underestimated the coalition's numbers), they made a full retreat, but destroyed the one thing the US wanted: a lot of oil. Ten years of cold bitterness passed, when the US government needed another oil fix, so they used the already-begun War in Afghanistan as a way of convincing the American citizens (who were already full of nationalistic fervor) to eliminate the man who cut them off. Even though the Iraqi dictatorship was eliminated with the help of allies and PMCs, the Iraqi people, who hated the US deeply for destroying their country, took to arms in the same way every revolution since 1776 had: with guerilla warfare. Unfortunately, war had changed and American air support decimated the Iraqis. The Iraqi insurgents still try and sabotage any Western oil business they can find, so the troops still have to be there in case of another massive oil well destruction spree.
Plausible?

The sad thing is that there are genuinely smart people that believe in these theories. That worries me somewhat. For example, there was this guy that was a Valedictorian believes that the moon landing was faked (after being pulled into it by a special on TV, then doing some googling of his own).

Hahaha this video was worth is just to hear Bob channel Cobra Commander at the end lol.

I agree with everything said including that Oswald shot JFK, however as a shooter myself I just can't give up the notion that there were multiple shooters.

Urameshi13:
I understand being from Massachusetts that you're going to be a left-leaning guy, but the Fox News and Bush bashing is a bit old and trite, don't you think?

Fox-bashing NEVER gets old. Not 'til they stop being the Republican Party's answer to Pravda.

Bush Bashing will get old once all the messes he left are cleaned up. I figure we've got a good twenty-to-fifty years left in them.[/quote]

Says someone who's probably never watched the network.

Keep in mind, I'm not contesting that they don't lean right, of course they do. But I find it hilarious that people get so butthurt over Fox when every other mainstream news network leans left.

Let me guess, you're in favor of the "fairness" doctrine?

ROFL oh my god I have never laughed so hard as I did during that ending bit. Bob thank you for the laughs. That California video game ban one though where the heck did that come from? I thankfully never heard of it nor do I pay attention to stupid conspiracy theories.

Unfortunately everyone I know who is right into this stuff is usually extremely intelligent. I find most of the time, the people who believe this stuff so strongly, has the same mentality as a fundamentalist christian. You can't reason with them, feed them any logic, they possess a high truth about the workings of the world, and any argument you provide is wrong and is met with unfalsifiable speculation. Great video!

Yeah you were doing good till the end there. Seemed like filler rather than an actual well thought out attempt at humor.

Ashoten:
Just when I'm ready to write you off as a hack Bob you go and make something brilliant like this. Except that part about global warming. Which is more likely? A bunch of oil conglomorates all setting aside their competition with each other to mastermind a global dominance of the energy market to make themselves rich while purposefully misleading the public with falsified scientific findings? Or a bunch of different conman doom saying to a gullible public willing to give them cash to stop an immanent threat that they can nether prove or disprove?

Actually Ash, we can prove Global Warming. That is all he said. We can prove the temperature is going up steadily. He didn't so much as whisper a word about it definitely being Anthropogenic (based on how most people have accepted it and started working on it I really hope it is anthropogenic) just that it is definitely occurring. Besides which, even if it isn't caused by us, at worst we are now finally cleaning our environment. I don't see the loss.

That picture....at 4:37...with the dinosaur battle....I want it

NOW

Would anyone by chance be able to link me to it haha

"Nobody's trying to fool you. Nobody gives a crap whether you live or die. There. you happy now?" Dennis Miller

So I suppose Bob subscribes to the magic bullet theory on JFK's assassination...what about the two gentlemen on the grassy knoll? Or how about the "rail worker" on the bridge who made a maintenance stop that his company knew nothing of and on top of that didn't even exist? Also why was the "rail worker" last seen leaving a parking lot with one of the gentlemen on the grassy knoll? And why did Jack Ruby who was a Republican, who had ties to the mob which had a beef with JFK's fathers prohibition era bootlegging, who didn't know Lee Harvey Oswald whatsoever kill Mr. Oswald before he could be brought to trial? Also since Oswald was behind Oswald why was the huge exit wound that made his head explode on the rear of his skull? Seem it should have been his forehead that blew up don't you think?

Not saying I'm a conspiracy theorist but these things do seem more peculiar than just a disgruntled ex-marine.

[quote="Squarez" post="6.258004.9710474]
I always find it facepalm-worthy when people say the WTC was destroyed by controlled demolition.

There's an article that I can't find which pretty much proves that it would have been impossible to do without anyone noticing. I can't find it at the moment, but it has a lot of evidence.

For example, controlled demolition explosives take weeks or months to set up (that's only for an average building) so some people would have had to sneak in at night (after all, they don't wanna get caught) and plant explosives in the WTC for months on end (if that was the case, why did nobody notice explosives lying around). And even if they found a team large enough to somehow do it in one night, why has no-one come forward to say something? Even just one person in the hysteria of the moment? It makes no sense. Not even one person who might have noticed a huge-ass building crew going into the towers one night.[/quote]

Have you ever watched "Loose Change"? From what I remember, they claimed that the building had been emptied several times leading up to 9/11 (cleaning crews told not to report or something). Also several people swear to this day that they heard secondary explosions coming from Building 7 just before it fell.

And I'm not one of "those people"; I doubt that the Gov't could pull off a 9/11 so perfectly, and then screw up the handling of Hurricane Katrina like that.

Funniest Reptoid conspiracy theory I've heard: the reptoids had the original 'V' cancelled because it was too close to their plans, and they made G'Kar on Babylon 5 into a good guy so we would learn to accept them (from watching a show that was barely syndicated)!

I thought the film industry sent people to defend video games in the court case.

Either way precedent saying that the government can ban selling violent fiction to minors is bad news for the film industry.

I usually agree with Bob about movies, but he is extremely uninformed (like many Americans who spend too much time in front of the idiot box) about the issues he speaks of, but lets just talk about Cheney for now. Lets set the time machine to the early 90s; Cheney is Sec. of Defense and begins privatization initiatives that (if accepted) will benefit certain companies if another war breaks out (like, GASP! CONSPIRACY!, Haliburton). It is now 1992, Clinton is President and guess where ol' Dicky boy ends up? Well, as CEO of...you guessed it, Haliburton. Now lets go to 2001 and the aftermath of the 9/11 tragedy (not gonna touch that one for now). Where is Dicky-boy now?, why he's the Vice President. And who is one of the most outspoken proponents of going to war in Iraq?, strangely enough its Dick Cheney. Aug. 26, 2002 Dick Cheney, Vice President says,"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction." So we get duped into invading Iraq, but wait...what about those great ideas of privatizing military functions that some smart dude in the 90s wrote about, who was that guy? Oh, that's right CEO...I mean VP Cheney. Those ideas sound great, but who can we get at such short notice...hmmmm (thinks real real hard) maybe, I don't know, Haliburton/KBR? Well, since Saddam has all these WMDs we better just give Haliburton/KBR some No-Bid-Contracts worth billions, and we won't put a limit on how much they can receive (its called cost-plus, look it up). So 10 years later and billions of profits for the war profiteers and NO arrests for the fraud and theft we KNOW Haliburton perpetrated against the American people, we come to the present and the wars are STILL ongoing. Yeah, conspiracy theories are crazy. Enjoy your TV shows.

Shit does happen all the time, I agree with a lot that is said. Only a couple of things poke at me. One of the big things is that Global Warming is something that can happen, and possibly is.... Scientists on both sides are fucking with the data to the point we will never know what is going on. Man-made Global Warming the theory that we will destroy our planet in less then a hundred years.... With the 'Hockey Stick' chart proven a fraud, and that being the smoking gun as it wore, I have to put in serious doubt that Man is the primary cause....

From what it seems, that GIANT ball of gas in the center of our little corner of the Cosmos of the Sol System is looking more and more like the Primary cause. Not to say humans don't rank i the top 20 as reason shit can suck..... but far from the NUMBER ONE reason....

That's all....

Yeah, some people need to just calm the fuck down and view things more rationally...

Excellent points and such...but was anyone else as excited at the Heroquest picture as I was?

Burningsok:
The JFK Conspiracy theory is the only one that I still haven't figured out yet. In high school, we had an entire day devoted to this theory. Some of the info made me question a little bit on the assassination only being Lee Oswald's doing. The amount of time to reload, aim, and fire the rifle would have taken a lot longer then what was shown on video (video had the sounds of the gun shot). Lee bought the gun for cheap, only 20$ which was still considered cheap back then for a rifle.

I learned about his assassination just last year, and my teacher showed us a video that presented so much evidence supporting the theory that Oswald did not act alone, I'm convinced it was a conspiracy. They explained the whole magic bullet theory, how Jack Ruby met with Oswald previously, how the president's body was denied viewing to many people, etc.

I've always wanted to know the truth, but things turned out not too shabby at the end of the cold war, so politically speaking, I suppose his death wasn't "such a big deal" for lack of better words. That is of course, not acknowledging the emotional toll it took on the country.

But I still want to know: Why? Why was a young man, with kids and a loving wife, a burgeoning leader bringing a country towards prosperity, murdered? It's just not fair, you know? But hey.......shit happens.

Because he was going to shake things up. He planned on dissolving the CIA, apparently.

9Darksoul6:

Kafloobop:
Everyone is allowed their own opinion on this subject but they need to understand that global warming is not considered a fact in the scientific community.

You meant: "[American] scientific community". It is considered a fact everywhere else.
And it's no surprise since it's the most retarded nation on Earth.

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If you think otherwise:
Ask any United States citizen how many countries s/he knows besides Mexico and Canada; tell any adult about South Africa and Europe and ask him/her which one is a continent and which is a country; ask a random US citizen to tell you what an electron is; ask the US average person the following: "do you really know what a muslim is?" "Can you give me a definition of what Algebra is?" "Besides animals and plants what other types of organims do you know?" etc.
Just experiment a little and you might get numb with all that moronicy.
(also: if you live in the US you're probably stupid, and there's probably no point in doing the above)
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Sorry, I have to point out that you are WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, and actually the perfect example of how people just blindly accept what 'experts' say.

The Global Warming climate reports? The 'scientists' responsible refused peer review of their work. They refused to address contradictory evidence. They actively suppressed reports that presented compelling arguments that called into question their 'findings'.

The truth? Those 'scientists' were making themselves careers on this 'work' that they did. This is widely accepted now, across the world.

This is not to say that there isn't merit to Global Climate Change, but before you go and make the absolutely ignorant claim that only "[American] scientific community" disagrees with Global Warming, perhaps you should do a little more research.

Otherwise you sound like a conspiracy theorist yourself, claiming that somehow the American scientific community somehow isn't as 'smart' as other scientist in the world. Let me guess: it's the water in North America, right? It just makes us stupid.

Oh, and by the way? In response to your little comment: "(also: if you live in the US you're probably stupid, and there's probably no point in doing the above)"? I guarantee you that I am more intelligent than you can ever hope to be.

You know, just FYI.

I find conspiracy theories interesting to study. I liked how Bob went with the whole modern esoteric point at the beginning of the video. A good point to make, and although I have grave reservations about the US government's influence within corporations and visa versa, and how that plays into economic and foreign policy, I have a hard time with most conspiracy theorists who take things like the lizardmen and "satanist" Illuminati so literally.

It's not hard to create your own conspiracy theory, but it's harder to get a bunch of paleo-conservatives onboard.

Hell, I find the overwhelming majority of conspiracy theories better inspiration for my writing than I do as practical real life.

If there is anything I appreciated more than the awesome debunking video it's the fact that Bob used Hero Quest box art.

I like your opinions Bob, I may not always agree with them, but they are always put forth in a well thought out manner. You provide evidence where it's due and state plainly that these things are your opinion. :)

I think I'll start a conspiracy where we try to hook you up with Kelly Brook.

Valkyrie1981:
Shit does happen all the time, I agree with a lot that is said. Only a couple of things poke at me. One of the big things is that Global Warming is something that can happen, and possibly is.... Scientists on both sides are fucking with the data to the point we will never know what is going on. Man-made Global Warming the theory that we will destroy our planet in less then a hundred years.... With the 'Hockey Stick' chart proven a fraud, and that being the smoking gun as it wore, I have to put in serious doubt that Man is the primary cause....

From what it seems, that GIANT ball of gas in the center of our little corner of the Cosmos of the Sol System is looking more and more like the Primary cause. Not to say humans don't rank i the top 20 as reason shit can suck..... but far from the NUMBER ONE reason....

That's all....

The hockey stick is not a fraud. Here's a real science source. It also has the 10 most common arguments made by denialists. There's also this for any others.
http://www.youtube.com/user/greenman3610

Doth:
Bob is dead wrong, again.

I think you missed the bit where it said this is an opinion show.

Mechanix:

Burningsok:
The JFK Conspiracy theory is the only one that I still haven't figured out yet. In high school, we had an entire day devoted to this theory. Some of the info made me question a little bit on the assassination only being Lee Oswald's doing. The amount of time to reload, aim, and fire the rifle would have taken a lot longer then what was shown on video (video had the sounds of the gun shot). Lee bought the gun for cheap, only 20$ which was still considered cheap back then for a rifle.

I learned about his assassination just last year, and my teacher showed us a video that presented so much evidence supporting the theory that Oswald did not act alone, I'm convinced it was a conspiracy. They explained the whole magic bullet theory, how Jack Ruby met with Oswald previously, how the president's body was denied viewing to many people, etc.

I've always wanted to know the truth, but things turned out not too shabby at the end of the cold war, so politically speaking, I suppose his death wasn't "such a big deal" for lack of better words. That is of course, not acknowledging the emotional toll it took on the country.

But I still want to know: Why? Why was a young man, with kids and a loving wife, a burgeoning leader bringing a country towards prosperity, murdered? It's just not fair, you know? But hey.......shit happens.

Random: oh how it would be funny to see JFK rise as a zombie lol. Not only will he be moaning like a normal zombie, but he might even mutter something like "those who look only to the past or present are certain to miss the future." or "It's just a storm Dick, sit down.".... "Zombies."

Holy crap! Hero Quest??? I got that game for Christmas back when I was 7, and at first I thought it was some lame board game but then I played it and had a blast. (at that age I really liked the little figurines and the artwork as well)

Scientists on both sides are fucking with the data to the point we will never know what is going on.

Bingo.

Climate change is happening, there's no arguing that fact, and our presence has invariably altered the world's climate. After all, we've been cutting down trees, we've wrecked an eco system here and there.

However the green movement is complete and total bullshit. Yes, we need to conserve and all that good stuff, but all these feel good solutions are mostly garbage. Electric cars? That's nice, too bad you refuse to allow nuclear power and a ton of cars would overload the electrical grid. Oh, and where are you going to get all that lithium from? Oh right, mining and chemical processing to get the lithium out.

Anyway, most conspiracy theories are pretty much bullshit, but there are some out there that have a certain amount of weight to them and when you see companies like..oh say...Halliburton constantly showing up, you can't help but wonder at least a little bit. I enjoy contemplating connections as a mental exercise but in the end, I really don't care either way.

I think the conspiracy theories stem less from a fear of the chaotic, but a need to maintain the perception of perfection. Notice how many in modern day always seem to have some deep seeded persecution in them. The "liberal media" exists expressly by the will of the few to keep conservitave values down, not because there are just as many people that have liberal values as conservitave. The the stuff's all made up because there's no way what conservatives have down could have any negitive side effects. There's vast corporate enterprises intentionally inflating gas prices because we can't legitimately be in short supply of oil (and that we'd be doing the same in their position). We lost an election so either the supreme court was bought off and voters were denied, or someone forgot to probely check the paperwork for a birth certificate (depending on political stripe) so we really won right? All those government actions really aren't necessary and are all about being unfair to me. And of course our sloppy ways can't be hurting the planet, it'sjust all a bunch of eco wackos being mean to me. Hell, the Daily Show just aired a fresh "I am Sarah Palin, professional victem of the left" clip.

I think it's easier (and probably more desirable) to beleive in some vast evil overlord out to get you than to admit the world doesn't revolve around you and your idea of right and wrong. It's a sign of how little we've grwon up as it reminds me of kids thinking their parents are punishing them because "they're mean" and teachers flunk them because "they hate me".

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