The Big Picture: Conspiracy Weary

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Rather then assume conspiracy theories are all false, OR assume their all true, I do neither and go solely on information and facts. 'Assuming' either way are just as bad as each other.

Being automatically 'pro-conspiracy' might make you a wild-eyed nut job, but sorry Bob, being automatically 'anti-conspiracy' says you shouldn't question certain things, NOTHING should be immune to questioning.

I'd like this video more but I don't believe for a second that Lee Harvey Oswald assassinated JFK by himself.

Why Bob? Why are you doing this to me! A perfect episode and then you blew it all with "global warming is real". What is scarier? The actions of humans causing global warming or it just happens and we can do nothing about it? Science trys to prove it but there is not enough evidence to stand right there and say: "Global warming is real.". Polecaps are melting. I can go with that. Weather phenomena which we are observating for some time now are changing. I can live with that. But it has to be: "Global warming is real." A sentence to which more poltical discussion sticks to than scientific evidence.

arbane:

Ashoten:

You know what? I'm just too confused about all this scientific mumbo jumbo surrounding global warming. I just want some experts to tell me what to think cause it hurts my head to think about it too much. I don't want to burn in the fires of global warming for not being a good earth citizen. We should totally get all the best scientists together with different opinions on the subject and tell them to come up with a unified belief that everyone can follow. It will be called the "Copenhagen Creed" and then no one will have to be upset at each other about it.

Of course we will need officials to interpret the Creed for us in case any confusion rises in the future. They will need to wear special cloths to identify them separate from the common rabble so we can give them all our attention and respect. Since they are devoting all their time to spreading the word of Green for us we will need to support them with donations. We will also need to establish a permanent building for them to operate out of so we know where to send are questions and money too. The building should be really big and impressive too so that the Earth really knows that we are seriously about respecting it properly.

That's all I'm asking for.

9_9
Projection - not just for movie theaters anymore.

(Seriously. Explain to me why almost every climatologist who doesn't get a paycheck from a coal company agrees this is what's happening and why. Do they just Hate America(tm GOP) THAT MUCH?)

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.....wait a second

Hilarious video. You know, the main problem of conspiracy theorists is they can't make such funny videos. Everything is too serious for them. Otherwise, many 'conspiracy' 'theories' make a lot of sense. I mean sure, most governments are led by phenomenal idiots and everyone knows that, yet there ARE people who pull the strings from behind. We who live in post-communist countries know that very well. Just USAns don't.

So, conspiracy people, please hire some comedians to present your views! You'll be taken more seriously! Thanks!

Hmmm....I've never looked at conspiracy theories as Religions before, but it DOES actually make a lot of sense that argument. No wonder why fighting conspiracy theorist trolls is as tiresome as fighting preaching fanatic trolls.

Good Vid Bob.

I agree with everything you said, but I am still a sucker for a good alien conspiracy. I know they are all crap, but I just can't turn away. I have watched more videos on UFOs than a sane person should admit to. I blame it all on Star Trek and the X-Files.

I watched this expecting a biased video and I certainly got one. Few facts, heavy bias, already decided all conspiracy theories are lies. Here's a quote from the XKCD comic (post #36 http://xkcd.com/258/)
"For some reason, sometimes when people think they've uncovered a lie, they raise confirmation bias to an art form. They cut context away from facts and arguments and assemble them into reassuring litanies."

I think for most genuinely out there, nutty tinfoil hatters, the fact that dozens of eyewitnesses claimed to hear more gunshots than were reported and that the film showed JFK's head moving counter-intuitivley from the reported direction of the gunshot has more to do with their suspicions than him being a president.
I mean, come on, I've never heard a conspiracy theory about Lincoln's assassination or about the London Tube bombings and I think that has something to do with there being no discrepancies between what happened and what was reported to have happened.

BTW I'm neither pro or anti conspiracy theory.

being a Swiss (therefore forever neutral and controversial), i couldn't notice you not mentioning the 9/11 twin towers conspiracy... (unless you lost someone that day, in which case, I truly apologize and am REALLY sorry) so what about it? I am pretty sure this kind of comment is doomed to be moderated, but still...

I think there needs to be a big picture on idealism (creating ideals like justice, gods, etc) and humanity. Its been touched on like twice now and would make an interesting one.

arbane:

JackSparrowSucks:
I don't think Global Warming is real...

Any particular reason? Or just Bowel Cognition?

The hell?

Um, yes. I think it's fake because it's an inherently irrational idea. Gloabl Climate Change is real, yes, but so are bowel movements. I don't think it's human-caused.

I believe it's just a "warming cycle" that will end.

The only reason so many people believe in it is because they want to feel smart, in my opinion.

solidstatemind:
Let me guess: it's the water in North America, right? It just makes us stupid.

No, it's your culture.

Sometimes people get emotionally disturbed by words, no matter how true they are, and get agressive at you. If apologies can calm you, I apologize for what I said.
I'm sorry if I seemed offensive. I meant what I wrote the most passive and analytic way; I also gave examples.

solidstatemind:
I guarantee you that I am more intelligent than you can ever hope to be.

I truly doublt it, but let's test that: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/6.258004-The-Big-Picture-Conspiracy-Weary?page=2#9705465

9Darksoul6:

solidstatemind:
Let me guess: it's the water in North America, right? It just makes us stupid.

No, it's your culture.

Sometimes people get emotionally disturbed by words, no matter how true they are, and get agressive at you. If apologies can calm you, I apologize for what I said.
I'm sorry if I seemed offensive. I meant what I wrote the most passive and analytic way; I also gave examples.

solidstatemind:
I guarantee you that I am more intelligent than you can ever hope to be.

I truly doublt it, but let's test that: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/6.258004-The-Big-Picture-Conspiracy-Weary?page=2#9705465

Before claiming to be smarter than someone, you should probably check your spelling.

Regardless, I'm not going to get into some sort of "Internet Tough Guy" scenario with you. It's pointless and only would lower me to your level of name-calling and mudslinging. I'm comfortable that the argument you present is the most compelling evidence that you're wrong.

Sorry.

Mr.K.:
Well we can't really know the truth on these things now can we.
But you should never dismiss all conspiracy theories because they are that, and when you got Bush elected twice... you got to me smelling some f*ing rotten eggs.

But the most scary thing of all is the entire world follows that moron who couldn't tie his shoes if his life depended on it into a war without thinking twice, now the smart people are following the idiots?!

You see, this is WHY conspiracy theories are so comforting. I know I'd rather believe that Bush was installed as President by a small cabal of evil old rich ugly white men than acknowledge the possibility that he got legitimately elected, TWICE. That thought that this is actually what a statistically significant portion of my country WANTS in a president is enough to make a nice hot cup of hemlock sound pretty appetizing. :-P

magicmonkeybars:
All I want is more global warming, it's cold where I live.
I was promised warm weather and all I get is colder winter.
Global warming sucks, you'd think with warming in the name it wouldn't be so damn cold all the time.

Do you live in England? Once the climate change wrecks the Gulf Stream, they're going to freeze solid.

GrizzlerBorno:
Hmmm....I've never looked at conspiracy theories as Religions before, but it DOES actually make a lot of sense that argument. No wonder why fighting conspiracy theorist trolls is as tiresome as fighting preaching fanatic trolls.

Good Vid Bob.

Religion and Conspiracy Theories have the same big three draws for people:
1: The promise of Hidden Knowledge that makes you BETTER than most people,
2: A fraudulent but compelling structure that FORCES the world to make SENSE, and
3: Someone or something to BLAME everything on.

JackSparrowSucks:

The hell?

Um, yes. I think it's fake because it's an inherently irrational idea. Gloabl Climate Change is real, yes, but so are bowel movements. I don't think it's human-caused.

I believe it's just a "warming cycle" that will end.

The only reason so many people believe in it is because they want to feel smart, in my opinion.

Ok, so what's all these climatologists, ecologists, and so on's motivation for the biggest deliberate scientific fraud since Darwin decided to fake evolution? Or are all these college types just such idiots they can't see the Obvious Facts that your omniscient Gut has bestowed upon you?

A video that amounts to a hit on the right side of the political spectrum posted on a website that leans very hard to left? Say it ain't so, Bob!

NaramSuen:
I agree with everything you said, but I am still a sucker for a good alien conspiracy. I know they are all crap, but I just can't turn away. I have watched more videos on UFOs than a sane person should admit to. I blame it all on Star Trek and the X-Files.

Have you looked into the Church of the SubGenius? More horrifying aliens than the entire Star Trek franchise, from the TechnoMutilator Yacatisma to the Advanced Aluminum Supersonic Nazi Hell Creatures from within the Hollow Earth!

(I'm pretty sure the Space Lizards are in there somewhere, but they're pretty far down the Cosmic Food Chain.)

TornadoADV:
A video that amounts to a hit on the right side of the political spectrum posted on a website that leans very hard to left? Say it ain't so, Bob!

?

9/11 conspiracy nuts tend to be 'liberal', in my experience.

Which are you crying about?

MovieBob:
Conspiracy Weary

This week, Bob uncovers what's really going on, and welcomes our new reptilian overlords.

Watch Video

Interesting stuff.

The 9/11 Truthers would have made a better target for Iraq War-related conspiracy theory, though. That the Bush Administration lied about WMD in Iraq is plentifully in evidence and was before that war; what nobody anticipated was that they had lied most energetically to themselves. They weren't "fooled" by Saddam Hussein; they started out with a theory and then made sure that all the information the White House received fit that theory, and actively tried to discredit sources -- be they in the State Department, the CIA, the UN, whatever -- who disagreed with them. That isn't conspiracy theory; it's just pathetic, deluded mismanagement, what the Dunder-Mifflin Paper Company would act like if it was put in charge of a nuclear power. Cheney and Bush weren't Darths Sidious and Vader; they were Dwight and Michael.

The real conspiracy theories around WMD in Iraq were all focused on trying to avoid facing this fact, especially among the diehards of Bush's own party. For the longest time, these conspiracy theorists were gamely trying to keep the myth of Iraq's secret WMD pipeline to Syria on life support, mostly on the strength of lurid tales told by Iraqis in exchange for a little time-out from the naked human pyramid calisthenics in Abu Ghraib. The Librul Media of course was Covering Up this Startling Revelation.

More recently, the Librul Media has been Covering Up the Startling Revelation that the WikiLeaks disclosures -- which reveal reports of various scraps of the defunct Iraqi weapons program cropping up from time to time -- in fact totally vindicated George Bush and the rationale for the war. Wingnuttia is abuzz with this so-called news. (None of them can quite explain why, if this was true, Bush himself never mentioned anything about it... but never mind.)

arbane:

TornadoADV:
A video that amounts to a hit on the right side of the political spectrum posted on a website that leans very hard to left? Say it ain't so, Bob!

?

9/11 conspiracy nuts tend to be 'liberal', in my experience.

Which are you crying about?

Last I recall, Bob didn't touch on the 9/11 deal. Don't be stupid and try to keep up, like reading comprehension, it's good for you.

Another great show Bob, though am I the only one who really wants to see a movie about Kindergarten Cop taking a hit out on Master Chief?

I love how you say all the conspiracy are bs then you say global warming is real. I lol'd

TornadoADV:

arbane:

TornadoADV:
A video that amounts to a hit on the right side of the political spectrum posted on a website that leans very hard to left? Say it ain't so, Bob!

?

9/11 conspiracy nuts tend to be 'liberal', in my experience.

Which are you crying about?

Last I recall, Bob didn't touch on the 9/11 deal. Don't be stupid and try to keep up, like reading comprehension, it's good for you.

JFK,
Iraq war,
Obama is a SCARYMUSLIM,
Movies vs. Videogames
(And the faked moon landing.)

I stand corrected. 9/11's been mentioned so often in this thread I misremembered.

But the Bush administration really DID blow it with Iraq, you've got to admit. And the SCARYMUSLIM whackoes are embarrassing themselves.


(And Dick Cheney actually IS a member of SPECTRE, so Bob got that one wrong. The cold climate must be dulling his lizard senses.)

Tin Man:

Warachia:
We honestly don't have a problem with your opinion bob, it's when you force your opinion on others is where the line is drawn.

So The Escapist have actually started forcing people to watch their shows? Shows where the entire point of it is that its a no-holds barred look at large scale topics through a geek lense?

Those bastards.

You obviously misunderstood me, nobody is forcing anybody to watch anything, but it's poor taste for anybody to come out and say, look people, I'm right, you're wrong, now think like me.

chopperman:
I love how you say all the conspiracy are bs then you say global warming is real. I lol'd

What part of physics don't you understand? The climate changing is a fact. The amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is higher now than it's been in the last 500,000 years is a fact. Feel free to argue about the correlation between those two things, but I think I'll be naive and believe the folks who study this stuff for a living over some oil company flack.

Pragmatically, most of the things we'd have to do to slow down anthropogenic global climate change are things we OUGHT to be doing anyway to fix our screwed-up industrial culture. I understand why this scares some people - what if we reduce commutes, make cities more convenient for carless folks, clean up the air, and get off of our addiction to foreign oil, and it turns out it was ALL FOR NOTHING?!?

arbane:

chopperman:
I love how you say all the conspiracy are bs then you say global warming is real. I lol'd

What part of physics don't you understand? The climate changing is a fact. The amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is higher now than it's been in the last 500,000 years is a fact. Feel free to argue about the correlation between those two things, but I think I'll be naive and believe the folks who study this stuff for a living over some oil company flack.

Pragmatically, most of the things we'd have to do to slow down anthropogenic global climate change are things we OUGHT to be doing anyway to fix our screwed-up industrial culture. I understand why this scares some people - what if we reduce commutes, make cities more convenient for carless folks, clean up the air, and get off of our addiction to foreign oil, and it turns out it was ALL FOR NOTHING?!?

there are as many people who believe in it as there are who don't think it exist, there isn't just a small group of people who say its all lies. Also the fact that it really doesn't matter. It exists, we spend tons of money trying to fix it and maybe we do maybe we don't. It doesn't exist we just wasted billions of dollars becoming hippies for no real good reason.

I don't care if its there or not. the fact of the matter is I don't see it killing off all of mankind in my life time and hey if I am wrong it dose thats freaking sweet I get to see the death of mankind, the fact of the matter is unless it makes the world explode the world is going to recover. sure we might not be part of it but hey looking at all the BS bob just gave I don't see that as a bad thing.

I think I'll go drive around in a hummer to speed things up

Neither I, nor the majority of visitors I imagine, come to the Escapist for an extra dose of poisonous political jaw flapping.

Come on, "The Escapist", and an article that opens up with how the author goes to the trouble to escape the negatives of reality. Yet, here comes the American politics. Really?

I know not to waste my time with Bob any more and bet I'm far from alone in that conclusion.

This video is a "yes" and ends with a "but", or a "true" and ends with a "yet". You have to understand that not everything is a conspiracy but there are times when things do happen because it was a calculated nutshell. I do believe that Obama is someone from the terrist groups, however he does have a "boss" that he does answers to; and no it's not the people of USA.

I am still waiting for a clear video from a security camera showing the alleged Boeing 757 that hit the Pentagon. Just one such video is enough to make all 9/11 truthers shut up forever, but such video will never appear, because the object that hit the Pentagon isn't a Boeing 757. Think about it. While you think about it, you can also think about why there weren't any alarms in the Pentagon, for the entirety of 34 minutes after the second plane hit the WTC, and it was obvious there's an attack going on? I live on the other side of the planet but I was watching CNN 20 minutes after the first plane hit. And I turned on my TV by chance. How do we know there were no alarms in the Pentagon? Because people who survived say it, people like April Gallop, who was in her office and survived the explosion. Prior to 9/11 there were constant evacuation drills but on the very day when this training could've saved so many lives there wasn't an alarm. Really? Are you so gullible?
Furthermore, why do you mix everything together? I'd say 95 to 99 percent of 9/11 truthers don't believe in fake Moon landing or reptiles, yet people like you insists on associating it with them.
It is your choice to live in your tiny comfort zone, if it makes you less scared by reality, but before making videos about such serious matters you should spend more hours, even days, reading about it.

chopperman:

there are as many people who believe in it as there are who don't think it exist, there isn't just a small group of people who say its all lies.

97% of climatologists say global warming is occurring and caused by humans. But what do THEY know, right?

chopperman:
Also the fact that it really doesn't matter. It exists, we spend tons of money trying to fix it and maybe we do maybe we don't. It doesn't exist we just wasted billions of dollars becoming hippies for no real good reason.

I don't care if its there or not. the fact of the matter is I don't see it killing off all of mankind in my life time and hey if I am wrong it dose thats freaking sweet I get to see the death of mankind, the fact of the matter is unless it makes the world explode the world is going to recover. sure we might not be part of it but hey looking at all the BS bob just gave I don't see that as a bad thing.

I think I'll go drive around in a hummer to speed things up

I really am impressed by some peoples' devotion to being as TRUCULENT as possible.

Not approving, just impressed.

I would try invoking future generations as a reason not to leave them with huge problems, but I suspect you're not going to reproduce anyway.

Serenegoose:
Bleh. My biggest problem with conspiracy theories being so widespread is that it means they're actually possible (in far more mundane ways than a global shadow government yes, but still possible) because all you need to do to discredit inquiry is to look incredulously and say 'it's conspiracy nonsense' and then whoever asked the question has to look sheepish and go away forever. It's not a binary. Conspiracies do exist, not all conspiracy theories are invalid, but yes, 9/10 of them are bunk. Of course, even by saying 'conspiracies happen' people probably think I'm a kook. Which kinda proves my point.

There are actual conspiracies. Take, for instance, the roman triumvirate: popular politician Julius Caesar, powerful general Pompeius Magnus, and rich property developer Marcus Crassus got together to undermine Roman democracy. Here's the thing about it: it involved exactly 3 people, all of whom had a stake in the game, and lasted just long enough for everyone involved to start stabbing one another in the back. Any conspiracy that involves vast organizations being in on the secret and working together for long periods of time and being well-coordinated is always nonsense.

Perfect example: did Cheney hook up his Haliburton buddies with no-bid contracts? Yeah, probably. It's a conspiracy involving a few people (Cheney, Haliburton CEO, and whatever low-paid bureaucrat had to be paid off) all who stand to gain from the arrangement, and requires competence and cooperation for no longer than it takes to award the contract. Was the Iraq invasion an elaborate conspiracy involving all intelligence networks being manipulated as part of some vast shadow-government conspiracy that managed to make nobody money? No. No one has that power, and if they did they would use it in a far more competent manner.

arbane:

chopperman:

there are as many people who believe in it as there are who don't think it exist, there isn't just a small group of people who say its all lies.

97% of climatologists say global warming is occurring and caused by humans. But what do THEY know, right?

chopperman:
Also the fact that it really doesn't matter. It exists, we spend tons of money trying to fix it and maybe we do maybe we don't. It doesn't exist we just wasted billions of dollars becoming hippies for no real good reason.

I don't care if its there or not. the fact of the matter is I don't see it killing off all of mankind in my life time and hey if I am wrong it dose thats freaking sweet I get to see the death of mankind, the fact of the matter is unless it makes the world explode the world is going to recover. sure we might not be part of it but hey looking at all the BS bob just gave I don't see that as a bad thing.

I think I'll go drive around in a hummer to speed things up

I really am impressed by some peoples' devotion to being as TRUCULENT as possible.

Not approving, just impressed.

I would try invoking future generations as a reason not to leave them with huge problems, but I suspect you're not going to reproduce anyway.

hmm lets see I've seen the hell that is this world first hand why would I want to bring a child into this world to suffer the same fate? also if you haven't looked around in awhile the world isn't exactly booming at the moment, well unless your china.

also your ability to use big words is countered by my ability to use google

As I've said before, My kind of person *salutes bob*

The_root_of_all_evil:

I felt this was appropriate.

And all of Leicester apologises about David Icke...and Keith Vaz...

FUCKING LOVE THAT SONG!!!

Why is everyone accusing Bob of being a left-winger? I've checked his blog, and he seems pretty libertarian to me.

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