Meet the New Bat-Guys

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Of course, is it all very much possible Nolan is just telling people it's Bane and Catwoman, then when the trailer comes out, he pulls an "Whoops! Did you really believe me?" scenario.

It is possible when you think about it, instead of hearing the rediculous "Whose the New Batman Villian?" question ad nauseum, he just calculates an answer and makes people think something else, you know, to throw them off his scent?

It's a thought.

I do not know enough about Bane and Catwoman to truly appreciate them, but from what I'm reading of Bane, he sounds pretty badass. But whatever works, I'm more than willing to find out what happens next.a

He caved in to all the fanboys who wanted the dullest characters I've yet learned about. A big dude famous for one event, and a girl famous for dressing like a cat. Good job fanboys.

Eh, Im more then willing to give Nolan the benifit of the doubt here on Catwoman. I second guessed him on Scarecrow and Joker and on both counts had my brain blown by not only the acting but also the presentation of the characters. But Bane for me will be a hard sell, though Im definately looking forward to seeing how Nolan pulls him off

I wanted the Riddler. Oh well.

For me the whole point of villians in the Nolan verse was how they contrasted with the Bat. Scarecrow kept his whole fear thing, Ghul was just as devoted to stopping crime, The Joker was literally an avatar of chaos copared to Bat's law, Two-face was an initally good guy who fell due to loved one dieing.

Thus if he can do that with these villians fine.

My only concern is casting Hathaway. She's never impressed me as an actress. Now playing Catwoman? Don't know about that . . .

Yeah, if they use the Secret Six version of Bane I think that could work. Hell Cadmus (Or Amanda Waller) is supposed to make an appearance in Green Lantern right? (I think I've read that somewhere, but maybe not). As far as Catwoman goes, anything Paul Dini has done with the character is good, so eh. I'm hopeful.

I don't know much about Bane, as much as I know his story is;

'Lived in South America, family had some heavy debt so they had to send their 5 year old son to prison, they never paid so he was pretty much raised there. The guards tortured him and battered him, he dedicates himself to meditation and through that martial arts. Through brawls in the yard, guards took him to an illegal testing military lab seeing him as a good testing subject. They inject him with venom, he survives unlike the rest, and breaks out. Then travels the world dealing drugs/organized crime/hitman while finding the proclaimed champions of the area. This eventually leads him to Gotham and Batman.

I also think he was really only like 5'8 and 150 lbs normally but when he injects venom in he becomes 6'8 and like 300 lbs. I dunno though.

I'm really disappointed it's not The Riddler.

Aside from Bane being one of my favorite Batman villains (he didn't just lumber over to Batman and give him a backbreaker, he planned and strategized and calculated. He figured out who Batman really is), how is Nolan the guy who "almost" got Batman to the Oscars? A cinematography nomination for "Begins" and two wins among several nominations for "Dark Knight." If I recall, the year "Dark Knight" was eligable, Heath Ledger was pretty much the only sure thing nominee.

Nolan is not someone who thinks they owe the audience a happy ending - I wouldn't totally write-off his ending the movie with a broken (mentally and physically) Batman. The biggest obstacle to this would be studio/DC objections, which might not be enough to stop him after the critical/financial behemoth that was the Dark Knight.

I want a 'real' batmobile. I'm sick of Nolan's gigantic metal penis extension.

Didn't Bane figure out who Batman was? Wasn't he really smart, and then physically, and literally, break the Batman? This won't work why exactly? Weren't people clamoring for Hugo Strange, who possessed only one half of this equation as a villain?

I still bet Talia will be cast as well.

Actually I don't think Catwoman choice weird, after all she as teased in The Dark Knight and even in Nolan "realistic" thing we still got a guy dressed as a bat punching people around. So a woman dressed as a Cat is not gonna be that much weird.
And Bane can sound like a really bad "strong but idiot" kinda of villain for who doesn't know comics(Or if you read the wrong Batman comics), but he not that bad, with a good writer he can be pretty bad ass.

Well on Catwoman they just have to keep that she is a crazy cat lady, add in a bit of PETA crazy reasoning in the first couple of crimes Catwoman does. For example have her dressed in a cheap ass(maybe as far as Dollar Tree cheap) Catwoman at first to sneak in to rescue cats from an animal testing place. Have something go bad, take for example Batman catches her in the act while she is doing something crazy. Say some bombs, Batman tries to save her from landing in whatever the scientist are testing. After that I am pretty much thinking of Batman Returns as an example of how it can go right. Though I do agree that it is a surprise, but Catwoman in much the comics has she's this rouge that really isn't bad or good. So she is probably not going to be a villain threw all of the movie. Outside of stealing things most of the things she does with the idea of protecting animals.

Bane I wasn't surprised about it, mostly because Bane is a character broken down by his emotions. Bane as I remember is a muscle man that when he lost his mask took up the venom to win back it. He became addicted to the venom, and does whatever to get more so that he can be stronger. Any fight I remember Bane getting brought down by Batman bring forth an emotion from Bane. Anger, sadness, whatever you have. It is used to distract Bane so the venom can be disconnect.

Being brought down by emotion was Inception in a nutshell. So it makes sense he would have that.

Its hard to argue with the changes Nolan makes when they end up telling a good story. The two face thing in Dark Knight was really good. Was it cannon? No but whatever. Was Ledgers Joker less scary because he had makeup? Course not.

I genuinely don't get how people are surprised at the announcement of Catwoman.There was a pretty obvious hint in The Dark Knight that she was going to make an appearance at some point

After the opening fight scene Bruce asks Lucius Fox to redesign his armour because he needs to be more manoeuvrable.When he gets the armour back he asks "How will it be against dogs?" to which Fox replies with a grin "oh it should work fine against cats"

As soon as I heard that line my first thought was Catwoman is going to be in the next movie

Why does Bane suck? I liked his character (the batman and robin movie doesnt count).

If they can make Scarecrow work in Nolans films, they can make Bane work.

GiantRaven:
FANBOY MOMENT INCOMING!

Bane does not suck. For proof; here is a picture of Bane riding a T-Rex.

Or, to put it another way , read Secret Six.

Well, that was incredibly manly. And awesome.

The only way I can see this happening is that Bats starts falling for Catwoman and then Bane breaks HER, to break the Bat.

And that would be naff.

I've really racked my brains on this and other than the "Bats gets a girlfriend" - "Bane castrates Bats", I can't see a way it will play. And Hollywood are terrified of female sexuality.

To be fair, I had no idea how they were going to do joker. I have a fair bit of faith in Nolan at the moment. Lets see where he runs.

Acting like a FOOL:

GiantRaven:
FANBOY MOMENT INCOMING!

Bane does not suck. For proof; here is a picture of Bane riding a T-Rex.

Or, to put it another way , read Secret Six.

That's SPAWN, you fool! I don't love you anymore; this relationship is OVER!

Ha! Incorrect! Here is the same picture with comic title intact. Secret Six is a DC anti-villain team featuring Bane.

Gunnyboy:
Didn't Bane figure out who Batman was? Wasn't he really smart, and then physically, and literally, break the Batman? This won't work why exactly? Weren't people clamoring for Hugo Strange, who possessed only one half of this equation as a villain?

I still bet Talia will be cast as well.

Oh, man, I'd love Talia to make an appearance (I love to dress up as her at Halloween and have people ask 'Who are you again, exactly?')

I would definitely not mind a Shiva appearance, either.

Also: Bane is awesome, Bob, shame on you for buying into the Knightfall hate! I really, really hated KnightQuest and the third Knight whatever title after Kinghtfall, but Knightfall itself was not horrible. Bane didn't just break Batman's back, he orchestrated everything leading up to that moment: freeing all the inmates from Arkham Asylum, coordinating various individual attacks against Batman, ensuring that Batman was run ragged by those encounters, pushing Batman to a limit where Bruce seriously began to suffer mentally as well as physically, and then went in for the final defeat. It was an obvious 'let's throw all the Batman villains into a series' attention-grabber, true, but it was a well-done attention-grabber (unlike, say, Superman's death).

Portraying this genius-level, calculating villain who did what not even the Joker could do - force Batman to lose control of Gotham (which was the true victory even moreso than the breaking of the back) - as solely a steroid-pumping strongman is a disservice to the character.

/rant

Actually I think the Bruce Timm version of Bane just might work, he's a smooth talking mercenary with real combat experience still in perfect control of his mental faculties even after he "hulks out." Now I'm not saying Batman has to make a big ass mech suit to fight him (a-la "The Batman,) but Bane might just have enough character to play an actual nemesis rather than a dragon to beat. As for Catwoman, I love her, but one thing I haven't seen Nolan do well is female characters, he has a LOT to live up to if he hopes to beat Tim Burton's version.

I thought he was going to use the Riddler, the Riddler is perfect for his vision! He's basically a mad genius, no power, minimal gimmicks, it's a match made in gritty gray heaven.

The big press release only called her "Selina Kyle," not "Catwoman," after all. I wouldn't be surprised at all for the Nolan-ized Catwoman to simply be "Selina Kyle: Lady Criminal Who Maybe Owns Some Cats."

I wouldn't worry about this too much, Bob. If you look at the ending credits in The Dark Knight, they credited Christian Bale as only 'Bruce Wayne,' no mention of 'Batman.' Same with Aaron Eckhart only being 'Harvey Dent' and not 'Two-Face.' I think only 'The Joker' is referred to by a comic book-y name. They might be going down the same route here, where she'll be called 'Catwoman' in the movie, and even have the rubber catsuit, but only be referred to as 'Selina Kyle' in the credits/press releases.

Also, as for why Catwoman and Bane would wear costumes in the next film: because Batman Begins and The Dark Knight have been running this theme that while Batman may have inspired the people of Gotham to do good, like Jim Gordon or Harvey Dent (before the Joker gets to him, anyway), he's also inspired lunatics to take up his schtick and do evil/reckless acts (the copycats, Joker himself). It's not that much of a stretch that Bane, in a quest to be better than the Bat, would put on a mask, or that Selina Kyle could be inspired by Batman, and her affinity for cats, to dress up like an animal (in fact, that is/was the official reason for her putting on the costume in the comics, last I checked).

Bob,

Concerning Bane I see a possible action for Nolan: Being together with Rachel was a major driving force of Bruce's desire to fight crime and restore Gotham to its original glory. Now that Rachel is gone all that he has going for him is the sense of personal duty to be the city's Dark Knight. However, being human like any of us and hunted throughout the city, this is wearing thin for him. He's tired of being Batman. This is where Bane enters the story. Remember the imitators in DK?

There's a high possibility of Bane being one of those imitators that adores Batman. What if he notices that Batman, his idol, is faltering with cleaning up the streets? A fan seeing their hero fall from their pedestal is devastating. He wants to fight crime just like Batman so bad that Bane would think that HE should take Batman's place. In several comics he's known to be somewhat of a genius. Maybe create an exoskeleton that increases one's strength ten-fold, but how can any normal human being last that long in such a physically demanding suit? Perhaps Bane creates a compound (VENOM) that drastically increases his body's endurance, stamina, and strength to handle the suit. Now he's going through the streets at night and taking out the crime everywhere. This garners Bane the love of the public perhaps. The majority of Gotham citizens still think Batman killed Harvey Dent, but here comes the new hope: Bane. The Joker nearly broke Batman in DK, Bane is here to finish it. Maybe not break him physically as in Knightfall, but mentally.

Slowly overexposure to the VENOM compound slowly deteriorates Bane's mental capacity and he starts killing the criminals. Now Bane's view of justice is drastically black/white. No mercy, no matter what the crime. This would allow Batman to reevaluate his purpose for the city. He just began considering his purpose at the end of the Dark Knight it would be great to see him expound on that.

Maybe thats just me.

Wait people actually remember the movie Evolution. Holy fuckin' blue space chimps batman!

(ps, great movie WATCH IT)

The Batman movies lost their "real world" stuff for me when the Joker backed a school bus through a building, filled it with cash, pulled it out of the building just in time to fit into a line of moving school buses in the middle of the day, and NO ONE goes, "Hey, that's kind of odd."
And Scarecrow wore a mask that made him look like a scarecrow. I don't see what the problem is with Catwoman. I do agree on Bane though. That's a head scratching choice.

damn it should of had the riddler, or the guy everyone forgets HUGO STRANGE, the first super villian batman faught predates robin and the joker.

>please delete this account<

I am worried about this, hes done great so far but can he follow the dark knight with something even better? I doubt it, and with these characters I don't see where hes going. I was hoping for Dr. Hugo Strange, I could see him making something good out of that at least. But if bane breaks batman's back then it might be good after all

What happened to Tom Hardy playing Hugo Strange? I read that somewhere and that sounded like a good way to go for the psychological aspect of the Nolan-Batman series. Not to mention the fact that I could even see Hugo Strange and Bane (or one of the other "strong-man" villains) being in one movie. Strange finds out Bruce's alter ego is Batman (which happens in the comic). He psychologically tortures Bruce/Batman with a variety of methods, ending in releasing another one of his experiments on him in hopes to break the Batman and, perhaps, take the role himself (this other experiment being Bane and the "taking the Batman role" is sorta what happened in the comic).

That made sense to me. Then I heard Hardy dropped out. Now he's back in as Bane and we have Catwoman. The combination seems idiotic to a degree. Major female role in a Nolan film does have me a little worried. Plus with the recent failure of a Catwoman movie, this might risk putting some people off, even if it is Batman. And the only reason I'm skeptical on Bane (even with my awesome idea for a "team-up" with Strange) is because of Batman Forever (was that the one he was in?). Two failures for two rather uninteresting characters. They both only really have one thing going for them. Sex or drugs. Since Batman isn't really known for Rock n' Roll, I can see this combination having some issues once it hits the screen.

Does anyone else think this is a proper way to end the series? Especially after the roller-coaster of a movie that Dark Knight was? My expectation was that Nolan was going to try going for bigger and more amazing. I knew, thinking that, it would be hard to top Joker AND Two-Face since they are among Bat's top villains. But it seems odd to follow such a great act like that with Catwoman and Bane...

Sidenote: It depresses me that we'll never have a movie with Clayface. I mean, I knew that Nolan would probably never do it. It's just sad that it still hasn't happened, regardless of reason.

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psrdirector:
damn it should of had the Riddler, or the guy everyone forgets HUGO STRANGE, the first super villain batman fought predates robin and the joker.

Total agreement there. Why Riddler was overlooked and dismissed so early is baffling. He would have been better than either one of these guys.

SkullCap:
Bob,

Concerning Bane I see a possible action for Nolan: Being together with Rachel was a major driving force of Bruce's desire to fight crime and restore Gotham to its original glory. Now that Rachel is gone all that he has going for him is the sense of personal duty to be the city's Dark Knight. However, being human like any of us and hunted throughout the city, this is wearing thin for him. He's tired of being Batman. This is where Bane enters the story. Remember the imitators in DK?

There's a high possibility of Bane being one of those imitators that adores Batman. What if he notices that Batman, his idol, is faltering with cleaning up the streets? A fan seeing their hero fall from their pedestal is devastating. He wants to fight crime just like Batman so bad that Bane would think that HE should take Batman's place. In several comics he's known to be somewhat of a genius. Maybe create a exoskeleton that increases one's strength ten-fold, but how can any normal human being last that long in such a physically demanding suit? Perhaps Bane creates a compound (VENOM) that drastically increases his body's endurance, stamina, and strength to handle the suit. Now he's going through the streets at night and taking out the crime everywhere. This garners Bane the love of the public perhaps. The majority of Gotham citizens still think Batman killed Harvey Dent, but here comes the new hope: Bane. The Joker nearly broke Batman in DK, Bane is here to finish it.

Slowly overexposure to the VENOM compound slowly deteriorates Bane's mental capacity and he starts killing the criminals. Now Bane's view of justice black and white. No mercy, no matter what the crime.

Maybe thats just me.

Not bad, not bad at all, I'd watch it

Acting like a FOOL:

GiantRaven:
FANBOY MOMENT INCOMING!

Bane does not suck. For proof; here is a picture of Bane riding a T-Rex.

Or, to put it another way , read Secret Six.

That's SPAWN, you fool! I don't love you anymore; this relationship is OVER!

Is it really? Because that was the first thought I had when I saw it.

EDIT:

GiantRaven:
Ha! Incorrect! Here is the same picture with comic title intact. Secret Six is a DC anti-villain team featuring Bane.

Interesting. Though I think we can all agree that this design is informed by the Spawn aesthetic.

Anyway, I think the only question mark left for the main cast is in the forgotten/rejected military technology category. So far we had the wheeled, high-speed tank and skyhook. If the Penguin were a villain, I'd vote for training dolphins as an aquatic bomb squad, but Bane and Catwoman don't really suggest anything. Unless there's military research into reconstructing shattered spines.

K_Dub:

GiantRaven:

K_Dub:
HAHAHAHA! Oh shit that's bad ass!

Anyway, I'm worried about Bane being the (main?) villian. He's just so...comic-y. I was honestly expecting Penguin or Ivy. I feel they could be Nolan-ized pretty well. I just hope Nolan knows what he's doing.

Bane is 'comicy' but The Penguin and Poison Ivy aren't? Hell, how is Bane more 'comicy' than the Joker, R'as al Ghul and the Scarecrow?

Sorry, I'll elaborate. I've had several discussions with a couple of my friends, and we just feel that Penguin and Ivy would be better suited because they could make an easier transition into the Nolan-verse.

Take Ivy for example. In the comics, a genetically modified hottie with power to control plants who wants to destroy Gotham because they mistreat the ecosystem (or something along those lines, never read the comics). In the Nolan-verse, she's a hottie who is knowledgeable in the field of plant life and poisons, and uses this knowledge to poison and kill powerful government workers within Gotham because they mistreat etc.

Bane on the other hand, in the Nolan-verse, he could be a mob boss I guess? Which could be interesting for sure, but I just feel that Ivy or Penguin, or hell even Talia al Ghul are far more interesting characters. Bane just seems one-deminsional.

Why do people keep saying mob boss? I was thinking something along the lines of a Villainous Count of Monte Cristo. It could work pretty well I think. Wayne/Batman is the rich socialite who has everything. Bane, while still having a similar kind of drive to succeed in his goals has to do things the hard way, and if there is going to be venom involved, maybe he'll be impatient and rather than devoting years to training he'll supplement himself with an enhancement.

Why is it so hard to accept Nolan putting Selina Kyle in a cat-themed outfit when he's already got a guy leaping about the place in bat-themed body-armour. You know, the titular character?
In the film Bruce uses bats because he sees them as a symbol of fear, and uses that symbolism to strike fear into others. So maybe Catwoman has a cat theme because she sees them as a symbol of good fortune (as in China) or just swiftness/agility and likewise wants to use that symbolism for her own ends.
She could be a dark mirror to Batman, a "this is what you might have been" thing, which has already been touched upon in the franchise.
Which brings me to Bane, as it happens. In the comics he's stronger than Batman and at least as smart if not smarter. Another dark mirror. With Gotham seeing batman as a Dark Knight, a guy who isn't quite on the same side as the law, in comes Bane to show Batman what he'd be like if he [i}really[/i] wasn't with the law. Using the bane from Batman and Robin isn't helping as that was a woeful adaption of the character.
With both there's a theme of temptation as well. Catwoman is temptation of the heart, something to fill the void left by Rachel, an idea which fits perfectly with your view of 'chaotic feminine influences' since she's essentially a thief. With Bane there's the temptation of resorting to more lethal measures. You can't beat him in a straight fight, so Batman has to resist using guns or taking steroids himself.

Incidentally, Bane doesn't have to have chemical tubes pumping him with venom. He could just be taking regular steroids. And this

And let's not start on the "why is he wearing the mask" thing

is kind of a ridiculous argument. You think maybe he's wearing a mask because he's a criminal and doesn't want to be recognised? Or to intimidate others, becoming this big faceless giant? You might as well ask why Batman wears a mask if you find it such a weird concept

GiantRaven:
FANBOY MOMENT INCOMING!

Bane does not suck. For proof; here is a picture of Bane riding a T-Rex.

Or, to put it another way , read Secret Six.

I have to agree. Bane does an awesome job of coordinating rookies like black alice and second rate villains like catman. Secret six really makes him shine.

Also: celina kyle = romance interest?

Dammit, Bob, don't link me to tvtropes! I just lost an hour and a half...

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