Can The Dark Knight Rises Rise Above Its Predecessors?

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What is there to say, but "in Nolan we trust"...though in my humble opinion, female casting was not that good in the last two films, especially in contrast with previous films - Kim Basinger, Nicole Kidman, Michelle Pfieffer. On the other hand male casting has been excellent (from Bale to Eckhart).
And I hope do something about the Batman voice.

...that's about all the critics I can gather on the new movies. I've seen Begins in theater once, I saw DK two times, so this we'll probably not disappoint.

What is with batfans and realism. Do you really belive a guy (pick your favorite fighter) can fight crime alone, unarmed and with no police training other than books he read about it? That SUPER criminals would not be treated as terrorist and convicted to death penalty. If Batman can not kill the Joker, well... I bet the US gov. can, put him on a chair, electrecute his brain and it is over. Well even Bob Kane killed him.
But I won't reason with comics book logic of real. Just think like this Batman is an attempt (not of copying Zorro), but to humanize super heroes.Y? Super Heroes are boring. Their stories are filled with I knew you would do that.

As for the movies, I'm yet to see Anne Hathawy doing a poor job. So I trust her as catwoman. For Bane, hum... Suprise me, Casino Royale showed me that fanboys like to complain even when they did not see the final piece.

PS: I'm not a huge fan of 007, but I saw all movies, read some books and played a few games, so it counts for something right

I still like Mark hamil as the voice of the joker and always will.

Said I'd come back to this:

gamezombieghgh:

What do you expect, that he has tea parties with criminals? And he's a dirty fighter? I didn't see any groin shots, scratching or eye gouging... Here's something that Batman doesn't have in common with other 'super heroes' as you say, he wears a costume for two reasons, not only to preserve his identity for safety and legal reasons, but also so that he can act as a symbol. I'm not aware that the 'everyman', wears a menacing costume, owns a tank like car takes down criminals with an arsenal of gadgets, and his fists, and can glide. The fact that to the people, Batman is an unknown masked entity who exists to restore justice to the city, makes him a symbol.

Ok, couple of points I'll get to later, but you're missing something. Batman's symbol is that people are scared of him - Criminals are a cowardly, superstitious lot - and Bats role in a fight is to menace them; not just to blur across the screen in front of us.

But you have touched on one thing, the "everyman" doesn't do those things. And why? Because in our reality, that would get him killed.

Steve Butts:

In what way is Batman unimaginable in our realism? You say he can't be realistic, but I still don't see why.

Basically, Bats is a superhero. Bruce Wayne is a hero. The difference is not just in the "symbol" but in the legends. Bruce Wayne (And Logan, Clark Kent, Peter Parker) performs heroic acts by donating, reporting or being good people.

Batman does something different. He does things that no-one else can do - or does he? If Batman wasn't a superhero, he does seem to possess certain super power:

1) Chiseled Physique: This is one of the main superpowers that all superheros have. Not just the lanternjaw and the rippling physique, but the fact that Bats(Bruce) can benchpress 1000 lbs, dodge point blank shots, catch arrows in midflight and has been shot multiple times.

Now, apart from the huge amount of time that would take to keep up (Most Olympic medallists need to spend 4 hours a day working to get to that pace), the two disciplines of Strength and Dexterity work against each other. As Bruce Lee found out, huge biceps actually make your punches weaker because you're having to work against that movement.

BUT, that's a cartoon stickler, so Nolan's Bats is just going to be good.

2) Plot Immunity: Well, that's a fictional character power, so again, we can discount it.

3) Super Efficiency: It's usually assumed that to reach master status in a discipline you have to put 10,000 hours into it.(10 years)
Let's have a look at Bruce's resume:
Peak Athleticism
Weapons Master
Martial Arts Master in 127 different Martial Arts
Billionaire
Stealth Master
17 different languages
(Oh..he's 70 now... And really that's not the end of his skills: Even with his basic Nolan skill-set, he's 40 years on from his folks getting killed)

4) Super Building: The Bat Cave: Apart from cleaning up the Bat Guano (acidic), you'd need 100s of workers to build that thing.

5) Super Building: The Bat Mobile: Better than any military vehicle.

6) Super Building: The Bat Jet: See above.

7) Super Building: The Bat Belt: Not only would it weigh a ton, be dreadfully impractical and unwieldy, but it apparently has interdimensional space because in the Nolan films he can pull out mini-mines, a huge time bomb firer, (Not to mention the Bat-Thermos or the Shark Repellent Bat Spray)

8) The Bat Credit Card: How has Bats suffered in the latest financial crisis? He hasn't? Well, where has the paycheques gone for his hundreds of workers needed to keep the Batcave clean and updated? (Even Alfred, being ex-SAS, couldn't get that job done) How about all the construction money, repairs, rebuilds? Does he have a Bat-Accountant?

9) Super Building: The Bat Computer : Better than the FBIs files, it's alleged. Even if it's running Linux, we're talking a minimum of 2 hours a day updating, cleaning, checking.

10) Bat-Immunity: Batman has $6.5 Billion. Oprah is worth $2.7. Is there anything we don't know about Oprah? The Bat Universe Julian Assange (Jack Ryder) would have detailed Bruce down to his last cent.
And Commissioner Gordon? Bats is going to be leaving a lot of skin flecks around your crime scenes, so a quick talk with CSI will get you his identity.
Oh, and Bruce, the CPA are here to see you about Robin...

11) Bat-Endurance: Bats has come back from getting his back broken. Even in the Nolanverse, Bats has suffered as many headpunches as Muhammed Ali.

12) Bat-Safety: Take a look at Gotham City. It is constantly in a state similar to the L.A. Riots. The Police are as good as useless against Joker, Penguin, Mr. Freeze etc. (Even in the 1960s)

But one man can hold off a CITY full of villains so that people want to live there?

13) Bat-Hermit:
Batman shuns social contact. He's friends with an elderly ex-SAS guy and a small orphan. Despite the fact it would take thousands of people to clean the Batcave, support the Batvehicles, run Wayne Enterprises, Keep the Batcomputer free of bugs and stop his good name being dragged through the dirt (You mean no-one on Bat-Twitter ever thought that the two of them could be the same person?), he keeps to himself.

Soooo, what's the real answer?

Well, if we nip back to the Pulps with Zorro and Sherlock for a moment...

Who do we know about these things from? A group of Spanish villagers, Doctor Watson and beaten criminals.

Are they going to exaggerate? Of course they are.

So while Bruce Wayne will be a hero, and Bruce Wayne (suited) will be great; BATMAN is, as gamezombie said, a symbol, and will act as he's portrayed. Not because he's realistic (because the above 13 points kick that chair out) but because all of his stories are hugely exaggerated versions.

And that's how Bruce sees them as well. He's a man obsessed and is living the dream, even if it's a total fantasy.

Batman can't be realistic, because then the whole Bat-mythology, Bat-symbol and Bat-legend falls. Like Big Daddy.

Batman (realistic) would be a kevlar coated ninja. Batman, as he's told, is 10 foot tall, can smell fear and if you ever see him...you're already in jail.

And take a quick look at what he really is: A white billionaire playboy beating up street thugs, while leaving the big multinationals alone because they keep him in gadgets.

What would our media do to him after they crucified him?

The_root_of_all_evil:
Said I'd come back to this:

gamezombieghgh:

What do you expect, that he has tea parties with criminals? And he's a dirty fighter? I didn't see any groin shots, scratching or eye gouging... Here's something that Batman doesn't have in common with other 'super heroes' as you say, he wears a costume for two reasons, not only to preserve his identity for safety and legal reasons, but also so that he can act as a symbol. I'm not aware that the 'everyman', wears a menacing costume, owns a tank like car takes down criminals with an arsenal of gadgets, and his fists, and can glide. The fact that to the people, Batman is an unknown masked entity who exists to restore justice to the city, makes him a symbol.

Ok, couple of points I'll get to later, but you're missing something. Batman's symbol is that people are scared of him - Criminals are a cowardly, superstitious lot - and Bats role in a fight is to menace them; not just to blur across the screen in front of us.

But you have touched on one thing, the "everyman" doesn't do those things. And why? Because in our reality, that would get him killed.

Steve Butts:

In what way is Batman unimaginable in our realism? You say he can't be realistic, but I still don't see why.

Basically, Bats is a superhero. Bruce Wayne is a hero. The difference is not just in the "symbol" but in the legends. Bruce Wayne (And Logan, Clark Kent, Peter Parker) performs heroic acts by donating, reporting or being good people.

Batman does something different. He does things that no-one else can do - or does he? If Batman wasn't a superhero, he does seem to possess certain super power:

1) Chiseled Physique: This is one of the main superpowers that all superheros have. Not just the lanternjaw and the rippling physique, but the fact that Bats(Bruce) can benchpress 1000 lbs, dodge point blank shots, catch arrows in midflight and has been shot multiple times.

Now, apart from the huge amount of time that would take to keep up (Most Olympic medallists need to spend 4 hours a day working to get to that pace), the two disciplines of Strength and Dexterity work against each other. As Bruce Lee found out, huge biceps actually make your punches weaker because you're having to work against that movement.

BUT, that's a cartoon stickler, so Nolan's Bats is just going to be good.

2) Plot Immunity: Well, that's a fictional character power, so again, we can discount it.

3) Super Efficiency: It's usually assumed that to reach master status in a discipline you have to put 10,000 hours into it.(10 years)
Let's have a look at Bruce's resume:
Peak Athleticism
Weapons Master
Martial Arts Master in 127 different Martial Arts
Billionaire
Stealth Master
17 different languages
(Oh..he's 70 now... And really that's not the end of his skills: Even with his basic Nolan skill-set, he's 40 years on from his folks getting killed)

4) Super Building: The Bat Cave: Apart from cleaning up the Bat Guano (acidic), you'd need 100s of workers to build that thing.

5) Super Building: The Bat Mobile: Better than any military vehicle.

6) Super Building: The Bat Jet: See above.

7) Super Building: The Bat Belt: Not only would it weigh a ton, be dreadfully impractical and unwieldy, but it apparently has interdimensional space because in the Nolan films he can pull out mini-mines, a huge time bomb firer, (Not to mention the Bat-Thermos or the Shark Repellent Bat Spray)

8) The Bat Credit Card: How has Bats suffered in the latest financial crisis? He hasn't? Well, where has the paycheques gone for his hundreds of workers needed to keep the Batcave clean and updated? (Even Alfred, being ex-SAS, couldn't get that job done) How about all the construction money, repairs, rebuilds? Does he have a Bat-Accountant?

9) Super Building: The Bat Computer : Better than the FBIs files, it's alleged. Even if it's running Linux, we're talking a minimum of 2 hours a day updating, cleaning, checking.

10) Bat-Immunity: Batman has $6.5 Billion. Oprah is worth $2.7. Is there anything we don't know about Oprah? The Bat Universe Julian Assange (Jack Ryder) would have detailed Bruce down to his last cent.
And Commissioner Gordon? Bats is going to be leaving a lot of skin flecks around your crime scenes, so a quick talk with CSI will get you his identity.
Oh, and Bruce, the CPA are here to see you about Robin...

11) Bat-Endurance: Bats has come back from getting his back broken. Even in the Nolanverse, Bats has suffered as many headpunches as Muhammed Ali.

12) Bat-Safety: Take a look at Gotham City. It is constantly in a state similar to the L.A. Riots. The Police are as good as useless against Joker, Penguin, Mr. Freeze etc. (Even in the 1960s)

But one man can hold off a CITY full of villains so that people want to live there?

13) Bat-Hermit:
Batman shuns social contact. He's friends with an elderly ex-SAS guy and a small orphan. Despite the fact it would take thousands of people to clean the Batcave, support the Batvehicles, run Wayne Enterprises, Keep the Batcomputer free of bugs and stop his good name being dragged through the dirt (You mean no-one on Bat-Twitter ever thought that the two of them could be the same person?), he keeps to himself.

Soooo, what's the real answer?

Well, if we nip back to the Pulps with Zorro and Sherlock for a moment...

Who do we know about these things from? A group of Spanish villagers, Doctor Watson and beaten criminals.

Are they going to exaggerate? Of course they are.

So while Bruce Wayne will be a hero, and Bruce Wayne (suited) will be great; BATMAN is, as gamezombie said, a symbol, and will act as he's portrayed. Not because he's realistic (because the above 13 points kick that chair out) but because all of his stories are hugely exaggerated versions.

And that's how Bruce sees them as well. He's a man obsessed and is living the dream, even if it's a total fantasy.

Batman can't be realistic, because then the whole Bat-mythology, Bat-symbol and Bat-legend falls. Like Big Daddy.

Batman (realistic) would be a kevlar coated ninja. Batman, as he's told, is 10 foot tall, can smell fear and if you ever see him...you're already in jail.

And take a quick look at what he really is: A white billionaire playboy beating up street thugs, while leaving the big multinationals alone because they keep him in gadgets.

What would our media do to him after they crucified him?

Well perhaps Alfred Pennyworth has bitching clean up skills, and Lucius Fox is a ninja with numbers. I still think that Batman is realistic in many aspects, but even movies about true stories are often exagerated. You've touched on so many points, and several of them have flaws, e.g cleaning the Batcave? I don't think he'd be worried about a bit of dust, (it's got the word CAVE in it's title, I wouldn't expect a mini bar and some lazy boys, also, sure he gets punched around a little, but Muhammad Ali didn't have a face protecting cowl when he fought, also you mention the Bat jet, that doesn't even EXIST in this universe, which is what we are discussing, I hope, (because I'd be kinda screwed if I was trying to defend the realism in the animated series and/or other non Nolan Batman movies.) I disagree that Batman's symbol is that people are scared of him, I think he is a symbol of truth and justice, and the way in which he carries out his work to establish this symbol INVOLVES criminals being scared of him, not everyone, I'd say that better describes the boogyman's symbol.

Shadow-Phoenix:
I still like Mark hamil as the voice of the joker and always will.

HEll YES

gamezombieghgh:

Well perhaps Alfred Pennyworth has bitching clean up skills, and Lucius Fox is a ninja with numbers.

If they can do the work of 100 men, then they're the superheroes.

I still think that Batman is realistic in many aspects, but even movies about true stories are often exagerated.

Many, granted; but in no way can you call him realistic.

You've touched on so many points, and several of them have flaws, e.g cleaning the Batcave? I don't think he'd be worried about a bit of dust, (it's got the word CAVE in it's title, I wouldn't expect a mini bar and some lazy boys, also, sure he gets punched around a little, but Muhammad Ali didn't have a face protecting cowl when he fought, also you mention the Bat jet, that doesn't even EXIST in this universe, which is what we are discussing, I hope, (because I'd be kinda screwed if I was trying to defend the realism in the animated series and/or other non Nolan Batman movies.)

A bit of dust? I strongly suspect that to keep it habitable, given that batshit is toxic, it would need round the clock cleaning. Muhammed Ali may not have had a face cowl, but I doubt Ali got shot, stabbed, electrified etc. And the BatJet is really an icing point, his skill set alone marks him as Super. I didn't even get to his 5 degrees.

I disagree that Batman's symbol is that people are scared of him, I think he is a symbol of truth and justice, and the way in which he carries out his work to establish this symbol INVOLVES criminals being scared of him, not everyone, I'd say that better describes the boogyman's symbol.

Truth and Justice is Supes role. Fear is - and always has been - Bats trademark. Even in Adam West and Tim Burton's world.

The_root_of_all_evil:

gamezombieghgh:

Well perhaps Alfred Pennyworth has bitching clean up skills, and Lucius Fox is a ninja with numbers.

If they can do the work of 100 men, then they're the superheroes.
You never considered they have additional staff- particularly Lucius, Bruce's freaking right hand man in one of Gotham's largest businesses? Besides, you say one hundred men, but to even call that an estimation is like calling Buzz Killington the life of the party.

I still think that Batman is realistic in many aspects, but even movies about true stories are often exagerated.

Many, granted; but in no way can you call him realistic.

I can't? Dam, that sucks, I mean you didn't give a reason then but that's ok, who needs reason? Apparantly not you in this case...
You've touched on so many points, and several of them have flaws, e.g cleaning the Batcave? I don't think he'd be worried about a bit of dust, (it's got the word CAVE in it's title, I wouldn't expect a mini bar and some lazy boys, also, sure he gets punched around a little, but Muhammad Ali didn't have a face protecting cowl when he fought, also you mention the Bat jet, that doesn't even EXIST in this universe, which is what we are discussing, I hope, (because I'd be kinda screwed if I was trying to defend the realism in the animated series and/or other non Nolan Batman movies.)

A bit of dust? I strongly suspect that to keep it habitable, given that batshit is toxic,Bullshit it would need round the clock cleaning. Because Bats just love to hang out in caves with that noisy tank of a car zooming in and out, and the sounds of maintanance that would take '100 men'. Muhammed Ali may not have had a face cowl, but I doubt Ali got shot, stabbed, electrified etc. Batman's not exactly running around shirtless in boxing trunks with a mask on, the suit does have a defensive purpose. Oh, and he never got shot, stabbed OR electrified in the Nolan films.And the BatJet is really an icing point, his skill set alone marks him as Super. I didn't even get to his 5 degrees.

This again? These IS NO bat jet in Nolan's films. sigh
I disagree that Batman's symbol is that people are scared of him, I think he is a symbol of truth and justice, and the way in which he carries out his work to establish this symbol INVOLVES criminals being scared of him, not everyone, I'd say that better describes the boogyman's symbol.

Truth and Justice is Supes role. Fear is - and always has been - Bats trademark. Even in Adam West and Tim Burton's world.

Yeah, the citizens of Gotham just love this masked hero who absolutely terrifies them, and you found Adam West's Batman scary?

The_root_of_all_evil:
Batman Begins bored me. It's a tired re-hash in the name of REALISM, that that hack Frank Miller started without realising certain simple rules.

Superheroes aren't realistic.

There's been books written about how Bats can't do what he wants to, Spidey would tear his arm off, and Lois Lane definitely doesn't want Superman to have his wicked way with her.

But it's the 21st century and everything has to be real. REAL Transformers, REAL Batman, REAL Spiderman 3 and they all were crap.

Until The Dark Knight.

See, no-one expected this to be good. Even the Bat-fans weren't expecting it to be THIS good, because - for once - they caught the ball.

It's not about Batman. It never was. Nor is about Wolverine, Spiderman or Superman.

It's about Bruce vs Evil Bruce. Or Power vs. Responsibility. Or Saving the World vs. Dooming the World. or Wolverine vs. Wolverine...

Many a time, Hollywood relies on it's panel of movie-goers to judge how to make a film, and slaps in someone who knows about it to get the details right; but they forget the biggest detail of all.

It's not about the Heroes. The Heroes are some sort of Campbell/Freud/Jungian amalgam that lets the Hero show he's a Hero, and the Villain show he's a Villain.

And in Batman versus the Joker, it's always been Bats vs. Anti-Bats : which they got.

Now this time, you've already got two plots going.

Catwoman : Female Batman gone bad - Love Arc.
Bane: The man who broke the Bat - Hate Arc.

The only way this can resolve successfully (imho) is if the two villains go at each other to get Bats. One of them is going to have to kill the other one in front of Bats. Preferably in a twisted mirror of his parent's death.

But what's really going to happen?

Prediction: Bane is all HERP-DERP HULKBANE SMASH and Catwoman makes lots of jokes about her pussy before being offed so Bats can do the "KHAAAAAN" moment.

If it's any different, I will be more than pleased; but I honestly don't think that half the writers even understand what a superhero is.

Superheroes cannot be realistic. Because that just makes them heroes. And heroes don't need to dress up.

I hate how much I agree with everything you just said. You're prediction is most astute. And I imagine that's pretty much how the films gonna go.

gamezombieghgh:
Yeah, the citizens of Gotham just love this masked hero who absolutely terrifies them, and you found Adam West's Batman scary?

Criminals fear him, Authorities (and the Innocent) respect him. That's possibly the major thing that Bats couldn't get in our world. We love to tear down our heroes.

Bats whole "super powers" schtick is that he's reached mastery across so many levels - which would be impossible for any normal human to do. He's reached the level of Donald Trump, Bruce Lee, Einstein and Elliot Ness in less time than it took any of his real life counterparts - and he's matched all of them. He's a multiple area savant.

I don't find Bats scary at all, but Cesar Romero's Joker feared Adam West as much as Jack Nicholson's Joker feared Keaton's Batman.

Superman entrusted Bats to take him down if he ever went nutsoid. This is a guy who can travel at supersonic speeds, stop a moving train and jump buildings in a single bound. And he fears/respects Batman. That's a superhero in anyone's books.

The_root_of_all_evil:

gamezombieghgh:
Yeah, the citizens of Gotham just love this masked hero who absolutely terrifies them, and you found Adam West's Batman scary?

Criminals fear him, Authorities (and the Innocent) respect him. That's possibly the major thing that Bats couldn't get in our world. That's different to just having everyone afraid of him as you said earlier. We love to tear down our heroes.

And in the nolan universe he IS 'torn down', not everybody thinks that Batman is a hero, but a masked vigilante that Gotham has no place for.

Bats whole "super powers" schtick is that he's reached mastery across so many levels - which would be impossible for any normal human to do. He's reached the level of Donald Trump, Bruce Lee, Einstein and Elliot Ness in less time than it took any of his real life counterparts - and he's matched all of them. He's a multiple area savant.
One word: exaggeration. Besides, who says he's an absolute master in all those levels? If that were true then how come he got 'shot, stabbed and electrocuted' in his crime fighting efforts?

I don't find Bats scary at all, but Cesar Romero's Joker feared Adam West as much as Jack Nicholson's Joker feared Keaton's Batman.

Superman entrusted Bats to take him down if he ever went nutsoid. This is a guy who can travel at supersonic speeds, stop a moving train and jump buildings in a single bound. And he fears/respects Batman. That's a superhero in anyone's books.

For the fourth time, I'm only referring to the Nolan universe when I say that Batman is considerably realistic. sigh

gamezombieghgh:

For the fourth time, I'm only referring to the Nolan universe when I say that Batman is considerably realistic. sigh

Don't sigh, it's unbecoming.

Even in the Nolanverse; Bats would need to spend millions of traceable money, spend 20 hours a day keeping up skills, deflect easily traceable forensics, carry around an insane amount of gear in a heavy suit, and protect an entire City.

Any one of those is unrealistic.

I think it can - TDK deserved everything it got, and I always felt BB was a little underrated.

I don't think Nolan would do this if he couldn't top his last efforts either.

You know, I'm not sure that it can surpass the last two, or at least not TDK. I'm already not sold on the name, but I am going to see it because I love Superheroes. I have to say, I think that it can still be an incredible movie on it's own right. I've seen a few of Nolan's movies and so far the ones I've seen were all excellent. I'm sure this will be a great Batman movie, but I doubt it'll reach the critical acclaim of it's predecessors.

Also, I should point out that I love TDK. It's a great Batman movie and a great movie overall. However, I think that everyone misses one of the things that make it great, and I'm surprised it's not mentioned more. Two Face was awesome. Aaron Eckhart was incredible in that role, and it's sad that he didn't get more praise. I believe he would have if Ledger hadn't died. The whole movie wasn't about just the conflict of Batman and the Joker. It was the battle over Harvey's soul, and you get to watch him fall from being the White Knight of Gotham to just another of it's broken citizens. The fall of Harvey Dent was part of the central focus of that movie, and what made it so awesome. I hope there's something similar to be found in Catwoman in this new movie, since I don't think Bane will be doing the emotional parts of the film.

This is a tricky assessment. To be sure, I figured Catwoman would be making an appearance this time, with Rachel's death leaving an empty void. Anne Hathaway is an excellent actress, so I'm sure she'll be able to pull off the part.

As far as living up to the potential of the predecessors goes, it can't do that or rather, it shouldn't worry too much about it.

Heath Ledger's performance in The Dark Knight was phenomenal. It was a real class act that really brought the house down. Sadly, this was also the reason for Ledger's death, a fact that cannot be overlooked. Expecting any actor reach that level is not only unreasonable, in the wrong context, it could also be problematic, if not fatal. I'm not saying that actors and actresses should not be trying to give their all; I'm saying that there are limits on how far they should go for these roles.

That said, Ledger's performance was not the only thing that made the movie a success; it just wound up as the most noteworthy. Nolan's direction was a very appreciable choice. He reinvented Batman in such a way that made Batman himself very easy to relate to without being contrived. Not one of his choices was out of place or jarring in the least, and it was really easy to get into the movies. The issue here is what happens when a movie tries too hard to meet up to the standards and expectations set by the previous installments. It's...like when an athlete tries overworks him/herself; he/she could instead strain something in the process or otherwise cause themselves indirect harm, thereby weakening their performance. This is the biggest threat to Nolan's work right now.

To this I say one thing: Forget 'US!' Our expectations are what could cause the franchise to fall to ruin here, so instead we should be ignored. Nolan can only do one thing: Keep doing what he's doing, learning from the past as he goes. With things as they stand, he won't have any problems creating another blockbuster. That's what I believe.

i think that bane is gonna be great. the guy that is playing him is an excellent actor and he has the charisma to portray the intellectual side of bane. he also has the physique that is needed for the muscular, intemidating, physical bane. i am more concerned with catwoman. anne hathaway is a great actor but i think she lacks the lustful sex appeal and evil cunning that is needed to play selena kyle. i really thought that it would be angelina jolie or scarlett johansson. but we shall see what mr. nolan has in store

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