The Big Picture: Fair Game

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Fair Game

This week, Bob weighs the pros and cons of playing fair.

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THIS is why I like coming the escapist. We're better than this "fair play" bullshit.
And Yes, that DOES mean I'm Anti 4chan.
BIG PICTURE FAN-BOYS UNITE!

Soooooooooo, now I'm a fanboy. A fanboy of MovieBob. Better act like one: Hey guys check Moviebob out in the www.screwattack.com as gameroverthinker and this site sucked until he was in it, now it's ok. :p

Oh, so true Bob, so true.

If I'm a big picture fanboy then what's the opposite?

The BBC do the whole fairness thing. And it's so much better than having to suffer fox news.

And it's only natural to compare what you have with it's competitors, seeing as that's all you can compare against. fanboyism is just an extension of this mixed in with a hefty dose of brand loyalty, which is created by either good business practice or a clever marketing division.

We judge Gears of war by killzone because they are alternatives. You can't say "New Vegas has bugs, yet pong never glitched" without looking ridiculous, you compare to what you know.

What if I happen to agree with this video, but I find many of your other videos as something I can't agree with (not all, just a good number of them). Does that make me a fanboy? Because I'm not sure how your logic applies to this situation.

I am a biase Big Picture FanBoy

Hate to say it but yet again Bob hits the nail on its head- and id say Escapist is even worse then most- numerous times ive had to bite my tongue (for want of a better phrase) in fear of my opinion being labelled as a massive flame.
But then again theres the alternative, which creates a horrible and unenjoyable atmosphere of little more then digital swearing matches.
So with no immediate middle ground apparent what are our options?

(also could it be that these unwritten rules may have developed to limit the existence of the second situation?)

Did anyone notice how he had two pictures of Picard in the ending monologue, but none of Kirk? He is clearly a fanboy

This from someone that could not tolerate people liking the Expendables because that meant they were responsible for the failure of Scott Pilgrim.

I've never really come across this sort of behaviour on the internet, though maybe this post will jinx it and I will be immediatly flooded with accusations of unreasonable bias.

Well I do like InFamous which is a PS3 exclusive, but I also like the Halo Series. So I am a dual fanboy? What about the fact that I like WoW and its a PC exclusive and an MMO to boot. Does that make me an MMO Fanboy? Fraking trolls defining our terms.

I found a fun and easy way around this.

HATE EVERYTHING.

Fanboys Ho!

It is annoying and I do agree, but I don't feel myself bound by law to be so twee.

You're offended by me saying I think the PC is best? Why? Your 360 doesn't care and it's the supposed victim in all of this! You care because I hold an opinion different to yours and feel attacked as a person because your opinion lacks universal agreement and you are not secure enough as a person to take friendly dissent on the chin.

That is your problem, not mine.

upgray3dd:
Did anyone notice how he had two pictures of Picard in the ending monologue, but none of Kirk?He is clearly a fanboy

I think that has to be one of the best first posts ever.

It's the anonymity of the internet that creates this, not just from allowing inexcusable behavior with no repercussions (as from greater internet fuckwad theory), but from the distrust of the source of the information. You don't know if a poster is a honest fan praising Killzone for its virtues, or a viral marketer for Sony trying to sway your opinion. We can't trust the source of opinions because we know nothing about their source, so our natural fear of the unknown causes us to assume the worst by default. That's why sites like gametrailers can pan games without it being seen as fanboyism, because we know where they're coming from and trust that they're not pushing any agenda.

Bob, my new hero. I never thought anyone would touch on this subject, but thank you!! It's cool to have an opinion just as long as you aren't a dick about it... think about those trolls you mentioned... no one really likes them, they're just downers...

edit: I own a Wii since it was big when it came out and I can't afford any more consoles (or they're games, they're just more expensive) and I like Link and Marth. I must be a Nintendo fanboy!!!

I like the Halo series just as well. I'll admit to being an FF7 fanboy, but that doesn't mean I didn't enjoy Mass Effect either.

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douchebags...

My definition of a fanboy is someone needlessly praising his/her favorite movie franchise/game system/game as the only good one and claiming the others suck. In your example the fanboys are not the ones being called "fanboys", they are the ones doing the calling.

I don't think it's quite as bad as you're making out. At-least I haven't experienced anywhere near that level of douchery.

I dunno, maybe I'm just lucky. but most people I see getting called out as fanboys... well..... they kinda are.

Hmm... I never noticed any of this. At all. Where are you getting these assumptions, I wonder?

... and now I'm a biased Big Picture fanboy. Thanks MovieBob.

Yes, if I had the gall to say that I have a Nintendo Wii, many people are quick to say "Lol, ur a casual fag that is RUINING VIDYO GAYMES 4EVA! Go play ur wii spurts FAG and let REEL GAMURZ get on their REEL GAME SYSTUMZ like PS3 and 360!" Then when I mention I have a PS3, they attack me for not having a 360. "Oh, so you chooz not 2 get the 360? U have a grudge aganst xbawks? Ur a Microsawft h8r!"

It's not what you say, it's what you don't say. And there are millions of things you don't say.

Heh can't quite get behind that rant, maybe its because I have the feeling the fairness doctrine kinda lead people to control themselves a bit in term of discource, which is good. While the idea of the fairness doctrine in the internet age is interesting, the later part kinda degenerate in some rant about "the state of the fandom and the usual why can't more nuance opinions be allowed" we heard a lot of time before

Okysho:
I like the Halo series just as well. I'll admit to being an FF7 fanboy, but that doesn't mean I didn't enjoy Mass Effect either.

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douchebags...

Welcome to my world

their opinion is halo is "TEH BEST THANG EVAR"
my opinion is that it's "okay" at best and I didn't like it

...but apparently their opinion is fact because they have massive numbers on their side

...that's the stuff that drives me up a wall

and to top it off, I make ONE comment about a game I like better then halo and I made it ONE time

now apparently I'm a "Tribes Fanboy" ...despite that I haven't played the game in over a year and thought it was okay at best as well... just a little more okay then halo

yeah this is getting annoying... I don't care what peoples opinions are until they start to treat them like fact or call others wrong for having one

...having an opinion means you have half a brain

saying your opinion is fact because you can't think for yourself and conform to the norm (wow that sounds pretentious of me) and because "dude everyone else likes it so it must be good"

...yeah

*sighs heavily*
this has got to stop before I curb stomp a troll that thinks they're safe on the internet despite living 3 houses away

Yeah seriously, since when is being a fan of something become a crime?

it's ok though, cuz this is the internet. if some anonymous guy from halfway around the world will give you shit because you personally enjoyed uncharted more than gears of war, are you going to think twice before giving that opinion? there arent massive fines for being a supposed fanboy like in the 60s and 70s. so the existence of fairness on the internet confounds me.

Pop-Culture Dualism. I dig it, sums it up real nicely.

This kinda reminds me of a conversation I was having with my friend recently where we were talking about the nature of conversation itself, exchanging of ideals, opinions, etcetera.
What you've said in this video, Bob, is remarkably close to the conclusion we found ourselves coming to.
You can have an opinion, but only if you put IMO in the sentence somewhere.
Killzone 2 wasn't that great, in my opinion.
Neither was Gears of War..... In my opinion.
World of Warcraft has excellent graphics and art design...... In..... My.... Opinion....

It's fundamentally the same issue, this unwillingness to have a concrete, set in stone opinion without backpedalling and almost fundamentally apolagising for having one in the first place.

Compare:
Killzone 2 wasn't that great.
Killzone 2 wasn't that great, in my opinion.

They are exactly the same. Just because I have not added "in my opinion" does not mean I am some hardcore fanboy who wishes to state his opinions as unfallible universal truths.
I am stating an opinion, whether I state that I am stating an opinion or otherwise.

Anyway, great video, looking forward to the next one. Cheers

Danial:
I found a fun and easy way around this.

HATE EVERYTHING.

You sir are then a "Hating" fan boy =P.

OT: I agree with this fully. I hate being criticized because I enjoy a variety of things. For me though it's less fanboyism and more of stereotypes. I don't understand why I can't enjoy to play sports AND play video games/ table top games.

Also: I like the Spy vs. Spy references in the video

Thinking of it isn't dualism and its excess somewhat inevitable when we are dealing with something that is base of competition?

As you say, Bob, internet opinions are your job. While I'm familiar with this phenomenon, I haven't encountered it too much.

However, if you try to raise honest objections to something, especially if you do civilly, there's no reason for anyone to accuse you of "trolling."

WOPR:

Okysho:
I like the Halo series just as well. I'll admit to being an FF7 fanboy, but that doesn't mean I didn't enjoy Mass Effect either.

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douchebags...

Welcome to my world

their opinion is halo is "TEH BEST THANG EVAR"
my opinion is that it's "okay" at best and I didn't like it

...but apparently their opinion is fact because they have massive numbers on their side

...that's the stuff that drives me up a wall

and to top it off, I make ONE comment about a game I like better then halo and I made it ONE time

now apparently I'm a "Tribes Fanboy" ...despite that I haven't played the game in over a year and thought it was okay at best as well... just a little more okay then halo

yeah this is getting annoying... I don't care what peoples opinions are until they start to treat them like fact or call others wrong for having one

...having an opinion means you have half a brain

saying your opinion is fact because you can't think for yourself and conform to the norm (wow that sounds pretentious of me) and because "dude everyone else likes it so it must be good"

...yeah

*sighs heavily*
this has got to stop before I curb stomp a troll that thinks they're safe on the internet despite living 3 houses away

The power of the sheep masses, what can I say...

On the issue of Halo, I never liked it for it's multiplayer value, or even it's "combat evolved" value. I didn't even like it until after I saw Halo Legends (Which is a DVD of serious shorts if you didn't know) only after I saw that it had a decent backstory (not to mention the project was almost 100% japanese) did I finally have some respect for the series. This partially to be because(I admit to this) I love east Asian culture and because they did a good job (Watch moviebob's review if you don't believe me).

Generally people don't seem to get it when I say "I like Halo". Immediately the controller is thrust into my hand and I've been killed 5 times, called a noob and have been teabagged repeatedly before I can say "because Legends was good".

But of course trolls pop up everywhere you go on the internet. JRPGs and Nintendo-dom I find are the hardest to defend in this sense since the company isn't doing much to save themselves, and a good majority of the gaming masses play FPSs and sandboxes. Which I don't look down on, sometimes you just get the urge to blow something up. I have my CoD modern warfare and World at War (agian wii owner) and Saints row 2 for PC and such to curb those needs.

but the constant streams of hate for almost no reason then to be a dick, just infuriates me. It makes me as a gamer feel like I'm not human because of my tastes. I play Warhammer 40k (tabletop) and suddenly people shout insults into the store because it's "nerdy" and looked down upon. Go back to your brown shooters retards, and formulate your own opinions instead of following the masses.

-sigh- indeed my friend...

sorry for that bit of a rant...

Bob is clearly a fanboy, he expressed the freedom of saying whatever we want without getting called out for it, but he didn't give anywhere near that much time to saying how great that whole fairness thingy was.

Opinionated opinion fanboy!

Woot! Now I can say I love the Star Wars prequels without being told that the originals were better.

I don't ever remember this really being a problem for me and I'm one of the most opinionated people I know.

Well, as usual, Bob makes a damn good point, but if i agree, and accept being a big picture fanboy, what else gets an equality cookie as well? hmm? ps. chocolate ice cream is anti vanilla? i think its anti strawberry because... well, think about that for just a sec...

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