Zero Punctuation: Dead Space 2

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Still can't tell if he disliked it or not, he mostly seems to judge it from the lens of survival horror delivered by Silent Hill 2. That being said, while I don't think that the game was "scary," it certainly was intense at some points.

Yahtzee Croshaw:
Dead Space 2

This week, Zero Punctuation reviews Dead Space 2.

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Now we're talking good old Yaht bashing a game I have 0 interest in playing lol. that's the stuff. I'm not really a first person shooter kind of gamer and this cured me of wasting rental money.

mrhateful:

Soylent Bacon:
I didn't find Dead Space any more frightening than Yahtzee did, but I still had fun and hope to get my hands on the sequel at some point.

That was my thought exactly, however after i am 50 poorer i can safely say don't it's insanely boring compared to the first game, for instance i haven't even completed it thats how freaking boring it is :S

If you like repetative combat against the same mobs from Dead Space 1 and no story then this game might be for you.

The action doesn't feel different at all? The new monsters don't provide enough variety? Thanks for the warning. If there's not enough new feel to the gameplay, I guess I might as well just start up Dead Space 1 again, unless someone can think of any good reasons to buy the sequel.

...you know, other than that my mom hates it.

Dead Space is far from a "serious" game =P

though do have to admit though the seriousness of your reviews has completely gone and its all just for comedy now.

Jandau:
The Ripper isn't overpowered, it's one of the crappier weapons IMO. It's unreliable, slow and did I mention unreliable?

I've made through the entire second half of the game using only the Ripper and the Plasma Cutter, and I only used the Cutter when it was really necessary (with the exploding babies for example, seeing as you can't let them get near you to use the Ripper). But on the other hand, I fully upgraded the weapon to do that, and was constantly using Stasis (especially with those Stalker Necromorphs that peek at you from corners and the sprint in your direction). But still, there were moments where I could defeat 3 enemies with a single shot.

On the other hand, I only used the Ripper, Plasma Cutter, Line Gun and Javelin, so I can't give an opinion about the other weapons like the Detonator or Flamethrower.

Hey! I can actually have some weight to my undue hatred of the franchise? Sweet! ^(^_^)^

Lol you guys need to calm down about this game not being some sort of psychological horror masterpiece. It was never billed to be.

It's a TPS with horror elements, and it's a great game for what it is.

I dont see anybody criticizing zombie games for not being scary.

I though he was going to talk about "the steps" and Stross and/or Ellie, and also, that thing you have to do the last or second-last chapter or was fucking harrowing (for me at least), but I love fighting the Stalkers because they are just hilarious, except when they bullrush you and take your lifebar away.
+ The upgraded Assault Rifle is also really good, but it can eat lots of ammo.

Edit: I hate those fucking babies and pukers

lumpenprole:
I guess I'm not as hard hearted because the baby scene really creeped me out.

Holy crap, the baby scene was just creepy! I was looking through the window and thinking "Awww, maybe there is a trace of humanity in these thiOOOOOOOH MY GOD!!!" and shortly afterwards "OH CRAP OH CRAP THEY'RE EVERYWHERE GO AWAY GO AWAY!!!!"

Exactly my thoughts on it. After around 10 more minutes (first level), I exited and deleted the game.

As for criticizing zombie games for not being scary.. it depends on how they are portrayed. L4D is a joke without a doubt, thus I don't care for bashing it. But Dead Space... tries so hard to be serious, yet uses totally unbelievable tools at it.

Your thoughts on the opening scene made me nearly die laughing.

Soylent Bacon:

mrhateful:

Soylent Bacon:
I didn't find Dead Space any more frightening than Yahtzee did, but I still had fun and hope to get my hands on the sequel at some point.

That was my thought exactly, however after i am 50 poorer i can safely say don't it's insanely boring compared to the first game, for instance i haven't even completed it thats how freaking boring it is :S

If you like repetative combat against the same mobs from Dead Space 1 and no story then this game might be for you.

The action doesn't feel different at all? The new monsters don't provide enough variety? Thanks for the warning. If there's not enough new feel to the gameplay, I guess I might as well just start up Dead Space 1 again, unless someone can think of any good reasons to buy the sequel.

...you know, other than that my mom hates it.

Lol you really cant safely say that.

The majority of people who play this(including myself) will say that in comparison to the first game, this is more and better. There's quite a bit of improvement here. The only complaint I have seen people make is that they liked the previous atmosphere more for the "feel" of being alone in space on a ship.

gl1koz3:
Exactly my thoughts on it. After around 10 more minutes (first level), I exited and deleted the game.

As for criticizing zombie games for not being scary.. it depends on how they are portrayed. L4D is a joke without a doubt, thus I don't care for bashing it. But Dead Space... tries so hard to be serious, yet uses totally unbelievable tools at it.

So games with horror elements can only be really scary or ironic? Otherwise it fails?

Sorry, but as far as intensity and atmosphere goes this franchise has been pretty spot on. It's an action game at heart.

I don't know what he's talking about with the saw gun. i really hated the ripper in dead space. unless you really upgrade it it wasn't that powerful. it was terrible when you got surrounded. and it was only useful from a specific distance. too close and the blade would go past the monster and you would have to coax it into moving into the foreground. too far away and you had to shoot the blade which like i said isn't very powerful and compared to the cutter isn't very accurate.

So now what is he going to review? I can't think of any games he may have to back track to last year releases or start hunting on the Xbla.

Maha hahahahah, fucking hilarious once again Yahtzee! This is pretty much exactly what I would expect out of this game, which I haven't played, and which I don't plan on playing...

Huh, this didn't seem as negative as the first Dead Space review despite the large amount of criticism still present... maybe it's the tone, I don't know. What I do know however is that more people do like this game than they're letting on but every week you get the usual quick replies along the lines of "LOL I ALREADY THOUGHT THIS! THIS GAME SUX!"

Anyway I haven't actually bought this game yet despite enjoying the first, although this might just be because I rediscovered old PC games after many years.

YAY!

there were only a few truly fucked up moments in DS2 the introduction to the baby-bombers ranks highest i would say

will there ever be a true horror game?

whitewolf35:
will there ever be a true horror game?

Have you been on this site long? Even Yahtzee recommended some.

Dead Space 2 doesn't specialize in atmosphere, they specialize in character design.

Say what you want about the game as a whole, but as far as the sheer image of a necromorph, that shit is SCARY (especially the puker with its third leg and diseased yellow hue) I am willing to say they have the scariest enemies of any game ever (in the sense that if you were presented with a collection of pictures of horror game enemies, they would win)

The big thing that made me love this game was the amazing moments, every game has one or two moments where you think "holy shit!" or "that was awesome/freaky!" but this game had like 12, and they were always different.

Moments like

or

or

The game was like a fucking roller coaster, but one part I found HILARIOUS was when

I have to disagree with Yahtzee about the front, yes it was stupid how fast he turned, but then again, NOBODY expected to be running for your life in the first ten seconds, major respect for that because it planted the idea firmly in your mind that you are NEVER SAFE, even when you are in most horror games, such as at the very front or while shopping or in a menu.

Sometime I felt like I went to that Shcool.

Best ZP in a long time IMHO. The "Wiggles" bit had me laughing out loud, and the "If I were a paranoid man, and I'm not, no matter what people say about me..." bit had me laughing out much louder.

Great job!

Diegolomac:

Jandau:
The Ripper isn't overpowered, it's one of the crappier weapons IMO. It's unreliable, slow and did I mention unreliable?

I've made through the entire second half of the game using only the Ripper and the Plasma Cutter, and I only used the Cutter when it was really necessary (with the exploding babies for example, seeing as you can't let them get near you to use the Ripper). But on the other hand, I fully upgraded the weapon to do that, and was constantly using Stasis (especially with those Stalker Necromorphs that peek at you from corners and the sprint in your direction). But still, there were moments where I could defeat 3 enemies with a single shot.

On the other hand, I only used the Ripper, Plasma Cutter, Line Gun and Javelin, so I can't give an opinion about the other weapons like the Detonator or Flamethrower.

I found the ripper to be terribly underwhelming when I'm being charged by something. By the time the blade deploys and starts slicing, I often get punched and the blade is lost. Also, the blade will sometimes go behind the target, meaning I'm screwed. It lacks stopping power, since after the initial flinch, the enemies just keep moving at me, so it's terribly impractical when fighting more than one Necromorph. I don't have time to slowly slice up one Black Necro when two of his friends are coming from either side.

I used the Plasma Cutter (always a good choice), Contact Beam (one shot, one kill), Line Gun (secondary fire is awesome) and the Pulse Rifle (with maxed damage, it rips stuff apart; great against the swarming kids). I was underwhelmed by the line gun and will likely replace it with the Detonator in the next playthrough.

How's the Javelin? It didn't strike me as particularly useful when I saw it, but I may have dismissed it too fast.

Another great review Mr.Croshaw.I was wondering when this game might get some attention and it has finally reached that moment.

If you haven't played the first one you might get some jump scares off,but if you haven't then you know half of the game when and where the necromorphs are gonna pop up(que the fast paced semi-horror alert song).

Moeez:

So I googled if any game reviewer did call it a "horror masterpiece":

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No major reviewer or gaming site called it a masterpiece.

Thanks for the hyperbole, brother.

Off topic: yea i may have exaggerated a little bit, at least every game reviewer in Finland (where im from) have said its a horror masterpiece.

HankMan:
Oh but Yahtzee they ARE trying to provoke you.
Haven't you heard what people are saying about you?

Sssshhh We need not aggitate his paranoia anymore than it is.

Btw, *grabs your shoulder and Starts morphing into a necromorph right in front of your face*

AAAAAAAAGH BLAGGY WOOGY WOOO!! Is this scary!?!!? I'm being scary Honest!!!

.....meh *throws off mask* You're no fun

Everyone forgets that something being "scary" can be different for every person.

Also, again Silent Hill 2? Ye i love that game, one of my all time favourites, but that is scary? Didnt scared me more then DS did, or less for that matter. Which brings us back to my first sentence in this post.

whitewolf35:
will there ever be a true horror game?

There are plenty. It's important to remember that psychological (both the tension you feel while playing the game, both waiting for the scare to happen as well as the uncertainty of how to handle things, and the actual scare you get by overthinking things) and physical horror (the shock scares and the design of the things that will live on in your nightmare, be they the enemies, the background, or a sound such as that of a makeup wearing sociopath who destroyed the world with magic after you worked so hard to save it from an evil empire) have to go hand and hand just right though, so a single misstep in either category (such as DS's constant problem of simply throwing too much at you at once or the fact that it simply doesn't offer the variety of enemies/tactics used by them meaning the physical falls short simply by you getting used the psychological) can hurt things from a horror perspective.

FEAR was able to use atmosphere and tiny amounts of psychological stuff to mess with you, even when the enemies were armored goons you'd find in most action games.
Amnesia hardly threw enemies at you, but it frequently messed around with your head.
Demon's Souls had you always need to be careful and to fight the urges action games had instilled into you by making you a normal person (down to the fact that you went through an entire animation rather than just parts of it to use a weapon, something your enemies did as well) borrowing the powers of demons in a world designed to create paranoia.
Metroid Fusion and a number of other games used an intelligent, invincible creature that is hunting you in order to make you truly dread meeting them.
Bioshock uses limited health in combination with psychological stuff (from suggestions due to shapes to both common and game related fears such as water and small spaces)
Eternal Darkness often skipped past the character and screwed with the player
Silent Hill has put you in control of countless people and let you do most of the scares
Left 4 Dead put you in what actually felt like a zombie apocalypse
Fatal Frame 2 will make you piss yourself and cry

This is one of the best reviews in a while. Digging all the movie/game references while actually being very funny and a genuine criticism of Dead Space 2. A+ Yahtzee, you just reminded me why I started coming to this site.

Found the game to be very nice, very immersive and atmospheric, having completed DS2 I can say that this review felt very "graspy" to which I mean it grasped at straws, Yahtzee bitched about small things that passed entirely unnoticed in the face of all of DS2's strong points, eg: the stray away from lovecraftian style psycho-horror everyone seems to be getting a hard-on for(seriously, after enjoying Amnesia, Penumbra and Call of Cthulu I AM SICK AND FUCKING TIRED OF CHEAP LOW-SANITY METER TRICKERY AND SPOOKEY VOICES) DS2 was exactly what I needed. An action based, mildly spookey sci-fi shooter with a story focus on psychological issues and human relationships under the stress of outer space living. I was so surprised at its improvement from DS1 that it blew any concept of silly notions like "how horror should be done" or "the best way to build atmosphere" out of the water because Dead space 2 does it without having to resort to the H.P Lovecraft reference guide.

Long story short, Yahtzee's review of this game doesn't match with the game he reviewed, his arguments are no more than footnotes in the actual game. This leads me to believe that Yahtzee is simply appealing to his contrarian image instead of examining the game on fair ground.

And now fine gents we wait for the inevitable claim that I am a dead space fanboi. Please go and watch THIS before making your childish claims.

Swifteye:
So now what is he going to review? I can't think of any games he may have to back track to last year releases or start hunting on the Xbla.

Little Big Planet 2, I would assume. That or BulletStorm?

I loved this review, and I agree with the view that it's more "startle-y" than scary. Playing on my own, in the dark it was basically a series of "noises that startle you" BUT I massively enjoyed it. I don't know what it'll take to make Dead Space 3 scary rather than startle-y but I can bet Yahtzee will probably be around to call it shite. Great vid though, liked the part about how it would appear that Necro's were trying to sleep in vents and were late for work! XD

BBMv12:

Swifteye:
So now what is he going to review? I can't think of any games he may have to back track to last year releases or start hunting on the Xbla.

Little Big Planet 2, I would assume. That or BulletStorm?

I loved this review, and I agree with the view that it's more "startle-y" than scary. Playing on my own, in the dark it was basically a series of "noises that startle you" BUT I massively enjoyed it. I don't know what it'll take to make Dead Space 3 scary rather than startle-y but I can bet Yahtzee will probably be around to call it shite. Great vid though, liked the part about how it would appear that Necro's were trying to sleep in vents and were late for work! XD

Bulletstorm *knocks head* Why didn't I think of that after all he did play the last game those people made which was painkiller. Heck those people should have sent him the game via mail with how many people bought it just on his review alone.

ultrachicken:
Ach, I hate those vents. Mostly because after a certain point in the game you can tell when a monster is going to pop out at you and where it will, yet you can't use your knowledge of the situation to kill it before it gets the drop on you. So, you're forced to willing go into their stupid trap.

Makes you wish you could have proximity mines, so you can set up and just walk away laughing as the stupid necro owns himself.

No mention of the shitty MP? Good points otherwise, but I thought it was OK. Maybe not worth €65, but that's true of most games.

I'm going to be honest here, I don't play Dead Space for the horror; I play because I enjoy playing it.

Fun seems to be a factor lacking in a lot of games these days.

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