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Roleplaying Homosexual in Dragon Age 2

Yahztee and Anders sitting in a tree.

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I anticipate at least a few "lol, ur gay" comments.

Wait...Greg Tito wrote this?

Megacherv:
Wait...Greg Tito wrote this?

I just noticed that after writing my comment. Huh.

Some interesting comments put forth.

lol made my hawke into a trashy slut, was fun. Flirted with everyone, even after getting together with one character. I'd like to think it is Hawke's way of coping with the stress and responsibility people randomly throw on him.

Aaw, that's cute. True love in the age of dragons.

I wanna be the very best.
Like no one ever was.
...at 'horizontal spelunking' with a Tepig?

Yahtzee does make a number of interesting points here. I haven't played Dragon Age 2 myself yet (I doubt my poor long-suffering desktop would run it, and my laptop turns it's nose up at most games, blasted Sony messing around with graphics drivers...), but when i do play it, and I intend to, I think it'll be interesting to play around with the relationship options.

"Are there men so insecure that they're offended by fictional gay men coming onto their fictional avatars?"

Not me. But then again, I tend to play as a woman...

If I at some point play Dragon Age 2, I'm most likely to make a character that reflects my own sexuality(at the first play-through anyway), but mainly because you don't get to play as a lesbian often enough.

Also, I'm 100% lesbian, but there have been gay male/hetero romances or couples I've liked because the story was good or they were cute together or fit well with each other. And even preferred the straight pairing over the lesbian one because I liked the hetero-couple more.

I'd just prefer not to watch them have sex.

I think it's a sad, sad commentary that so much time and effort is spent discussing the "romances" in bioware games.

Why are people so homophobi?

Its not your going to get the case of the "gays" by playing a game... haha

Always fun to poke fun at homophobis go and "hit" on them its funny as all hell how mad they get.

GoodApprentice:
I think it's a sad, sad commentary that so much time and effort is spent discussing the "romances" in bioware games.

He's paid to write about games and the romance in that particular game, with all the controversy surrounding it interested him, lighten up dude.

OT: I find myself playing the same way that Yahtzee described here, simply playing the game and not deciding on the outset 'I SHALL BONE TALI' etc That being said, I cant say I've ever had a gay character in my experience with RPG's... Hmmm.

Lieju:
If I at some point play Dragon Age 2, I'm most likely to make a character that reflects my own sexuality(at the first play-through anyway), but mainly because you don't get to play as a lesbian often enough.

Also, I'm 100% lesbian, but there have been gay male/hetero romances or couples I've liked because the story was good or they were cute together or fit well with each other. And even preferred the straight pairing over the lesbian one because I liked the hetero-couple more.

I'd just prefer not to watch them have sex.

Here here, games totally need more lesbians. Though I highly doubt my reason is the same as yours.

GoodApprentice:
I think it's a sad, sad commentary that so much time and effort is spent discussing the "romances" in bioware games.

I agree; it's so strange that people actually want to get someone fired because of something they didn't like (although iirc the gay part was only a smaller part of a larger rant about the quality of the game...). I just don't like the way certain members of the gay community (or indeed any minority) throw their weight around as though the very fact of being part of a minority makes their opinion far more powerful.

If anyone gets fired over this it will be a sad day for the human race...

Actually this is what I really liked about DA2. I take role playing the same way, I am playing a character in a story, trying to decide what they would do and what they wouldn't. And in DA2 I felt like I had an incredible amount of fidelity when it came to making my character behave the way I thought they would behave. It was crazy the number of times I was like, "I would do this if I could" but then, well, I could. I think a good indication is that, at the end of the game, most of my party betrayed me, ran away, or died and I was left with, I think, three friends. From a gameplay point of view not the best ending. I loved it though, because all throughout I had been playing a kind of unlucky hero who tries to do the right thing, but always ends up sacrificing too much. And thats exactly what happened...

P.S. I also had a great time talking about what happened with friends. The three of us played very differently and things turned out very different for all of us. I mean, the broad strokes were the same, but who we talked to, what they said, what quests we went on, were all very much unique.

So it's really only two guys versus three girls that we can romance?
That hardly seems to warrant all the gay bashing this game has been getting.

I read the first page and agreed with everything he said.

The second page read like gay fanfiction. It was... weird. Since the lead writer actually does read and write gay fanfiction (or so I am told. She certainly enjoyed Twilight), this makes... sense?

I kinda feel that everyone ismcomplaining about nothing when it comes to the sexuality of characters in this game.
Also I'd like to note the fact that my last name is indeed Anders... Except I'm black... Weird right?

HankMan:
So it's really only two guys versus three girls that we can romance?
That hardly seems to warrant all the gay bashing this game has been getting.

Didn't you know, it's the gay agenda, out to disenfranchise poor straight white males. Obviously

HankMan:
So it's really only two guys versus three girls that we can romance?
That hardly seems to warrant all the gay bashing this game has been getting.

As far as I know the gamers are crying about it because the gay guys are supposedly more forceful about the flirting than the women are.

I wouldn't know, not played the game. But being bisexual (or at least bicurious) I doubt I'll be too fussed. Unless I'm the impassive sarcastic type in game, we'll see.

I find this tendency a lot when writing, that a character I hadn't originally intended to make gay or who I hadn't planned on thinking about their sxcuality at all suddenly just revealed themselves to be naturally gay. It wasn't like a stereotype that I gave them or even a conscious decision, it's just that when you spend a lot of time using a character (either that someone else has written or that you're writing) it becomes almost instinctual. 'Is Shepard a lesbian? Of course she is, I don't even need to think about it, she just is.' (For FemShep/Liara, which is basically my go to setting)

And if I play the character differently deliberately, then sometimes it changes. When I played my renegade FemShep with a ruthless background it just didn't make sense that she would get with anyone, because all of the options were just not tough enough for her, whereas for my Paragon who automatically tried to make everyone she encountered feel better, Liara needed some cheering up dammit!

I think that a good story well told (I'm not saying my writing is good but I like it so to me it is good story well told) will leave just enough blanks that you fill them in yourself, and this is why the videogame is such a perfect medium, because it can allow for every possible outcome of a blank being filled. Is your character good or bad or neutral? The game designer can fill in the blank, if your character introvert or extrovert? The game designer can give you an experience to fit both.

There are of course technological restrictions and there is still a lot that we can't do, but that the potential is there for people to almost write their own stories as they play is incredible. I don't think there'll ever be a desire for only open games with no linearity, but I think it's always good to be able to take a step back and say 'look how far we've come.' When I started gaming you could make a blocky representation of a woman climb things and shoot tigers, nowadays I can make a nearly photorealistic man have a deep and meaningful relationship with any number of characters I choose. It's like comparing a cave painting to the Mona Lisa, or The Roundhay Garden Scene to Black Swan.

A Curious Fellow likes Yahtzee's post.

That last bit was actually rather adorable to be honest. I was actually thinking back to that Extra Credits episode about Diversity in games, and was thinking that games would be more and more interesting if they actually went out of their way to do this kind of thing.

Reading this article, it seems that was this games apparent grace.

Lol, I unconsciously went "awww" when I read he named his Tepig Anders ^^ But interesting article; something I would have expected from an Extra Credits.

Awesome article. Absolutely awesome.

Yahtzee Croshaw:
Even though I've only ever stuck it into things that I've been 80-100% certain were vaginas,...

Nice try covering up your virginity with an The Escapist article, Mr. Ubernerd. We all know you're a unicorn hugger like the rest of us.

Wow... Mister Yathzee, Sir, is that... could it be? ... gentle emotions and kind thoughts?

Are you sick or something? Normally the only emotions we get to hear about from you are rage and disgust.

Naa, I am just kidding. It is just unusuall to see Yathzee approach something so wierd as attatchment to characters in Videogames in such a gentle way.

But I liked it, made up for a good read.

My issue with the love interests in Dragon Age 2 wasn't that there were too many gays, it was that all of them were bisexual. They are clear-written characters you're not supposed to make decisions for, but still all of them are bisexuall. I find this a bit odd.

Also, there's actually only 2 female love interests, and counting day 1 dlc, there's 3 male ones.

Although this is a bit besides the point, I felt the characters were pretty badly written, with the exception of Varric, and possibly Aveline (who is not a love interest).

Also, I might have been imagining things, but I felt Anders and Fenris were both pretty sexually aggressive, which didn't really seem to fit with their personalities.

the thing with anders is that he is the only proper healer in the game unless you make your hawke a healer. so if you are the kind of person who has a problem with homosexuality you probably also didn't picture your character to be a healer and are stuck with a gay character at all times.

Very interesting to say the least. It's nice to read something where someone isn't A-whining about DA2 or B- Whining they were being asked for some 'taboo' love.

I'm still trying to get into DA2 but what I have played I love. I say trying to get into not because I dislike the game, but because I have DA1 ME2, Breath of Fire 4, Tactics Ogre L.U.C.T, Parasite Eve 1 and 3 to beat. That said I'm playing female Hawke named Neige (because of my comic character) and I honestly have no plans of romance but if staying with her character ...well I'm not gonna say actually.

But it'll be fun whatever happens I imagine since the characters have been awesome.

Well, Ill have to rent DA2 next time I have access to the 360...

...what?

a brilliant read, insightful and funny

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