Critical Miss: Dragon Age: Destiny

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Wait, so Leliana shows up even if you killed her in the imported Dragon Age Origins save?

Talk about sloppy work.

Booze Zombie:
I played the game the "good way", so whilst I disagree with retconning, I should experience very little.

Speaking from experience, you'll actually see none at all - as someone else who played Origins (and the Awakening expansion) "the good way", I can attest that none of my decisions were ever contradicted by events in the sequel.

You can't call it retcon if there were multiple paths to take. I played through the game and didn't kill Leliana at the ashes part, if you chose to, well that was your choice. I don't see why people are up in arms over it, just frigging deal with it. Just cause you chose to kill her doesn't mean other people chose to as well.

I suppose the flip side to this is they could have just chosen not to include her at all and everyone would have been happy. Of course they could have also chosen to not include Zevran (the elf rogue dude I don't remember his name) which if you remember you had an option to kill him as well.

TL;DR: Tough titty, deal with it. It's not retcon.

Sucal:
It was the ashes. The magical ashes of Joan of Arc Andraste magically reanimated her corpse. (It can't be sillier then a pinch of the ashes being able to cure a magical disease.)

But regular old magic is just fine? And dragons?

OT: Can the world talk about something else now? It's been a month.

The_root_of_all_evil:
She turned me into a newt.

but I got better

Reminds me of Ray Bradbury, who was told that his seminal work Farenheit 451 was about Government control of people and not about Television destroying books.

And what would he know? Possibly as much as J.K.Rowling who has been lambasted for not having Harry Potter and Hermione doing the mambo together?

Because they were fated to.

That's the problem with reality. Especially user-created ones.

This is a bit worse to me. There will always be "shippers" who think their choice of pairing is the right one against the actual narrative and stuff, and always be people who think they know better than the author. But when given an interactive plot point, it actually is left to the end user to decide what happens.

...As the comic points out, until they decide to change it on you. It's put in your hands, and taken out again. That's just a bad way to run a railroad.

Joe Deadman:
Ouch poor leliana D:

They really should have just handled it like ME2 with the whole save game import but I guess thats what happens when you give yourself a stupidly small development cycle...

Also nice work on Erin Hawke.

But you have the choice to import your saved Data. You can choose a generic "dragon Age: origins" history that uses it's own "choices" but you can choose to import saved data and it uses all the decisions you've made up to that point.

Also noticed they took another shot at the copy-paste dungeons

But... Hawke didn't kill Leliana, that was the hero/heroine of DA:O... How did Erin Hawke got confused... Unless... META!!!!!! Or you got your player knowledge into my Roleplaying... :P

Is it really retconning? I mean, maybe it was set up for a twist! She is a witch after all- Oh wait Lelianna? I thought you mean Morrigan. Nevermind, yeah, that's kinda-
And Zevran is still alive? Will the Marabakari (Marabi? Punjavi? Whatever) war hound make an appearance? ...I want my DA:O character back : (

Irridium:

Would make sense, if your Mass Effect choices influenced more than your emails/news.

This. I was really disappointed to play the PS3 version over my friend's and see just how little things changed between my transferred over 360 game and his comic-decisions PS3 game. Though I did like that, since I got to transfer over, I was able to see I can bone the only attractive asari from ME1 (the one that was inside that brain-plant-thing's sack) come ME3. Sweeeeet.

Also, you all should know that the head writer or one of the upper dev leaders has always had a strong bias for Lelianna.
( http://kotaku.com/#!5495405/mass-effect-dragon-age-creators-consider-the-post+release-romance-pack )

"Kill? Lelianna?! Never! My digital Maiden will be immortal in my games!!"

Gildan Bladeborn:
Speaking from experience, you'll actually see none at all - as someone else who played Origins (and the Awakening expansion) "the good way", I can attest that none of my decisions were ever contradicted by events in the sequel.

Yeah, I figured you'd only really run into retcon issues if you played the game like your name was Lobo. Sorry, Bioware, drowning kittens didn't interest me.

erztez:

Wabblefish:
Nice comic I guess but it seems a little harsh lol, it was only one retcon and this is just more ammuninition for the old school Rpg mega fanboys to use.

Trust me...it wasn't just the one.
The game basically ignores EVERYTHING you did in DA:O, which would be fine by me if they didn't put in a save import feature.
What's the point of doing THAT if you just ignore all the data?

Except for doing it because they arent ignoring all THAT data?

Irridium:

DeadlyYellow:

Kevlar Eater:
Makes me wonder why there's even choices in this series at all if anything can be retconned at will.

Still, made me lawl for a bit.

Indeed.

Guess they didn't want to steal Mass Effect's show with perpetual decisions via transferred saves.

Would make sense, if your Mass Effect choices influenced more than your emails/news.

Be fair, they do.

OT: Its funny because its so devastatingly true. If the game wasn't built for the connectivity of saves, just limit it to the reference points. There was no need to involve Leliana, and the whole thing about two people who have nothing to do with each other "disappearing" being more than a coincidence was ridiculous; MY WARDEN IS DEAD, HE DIDN'T DISAPPEAR!

Booze Zombie:

Gildan Bladeborn:
Speaking from experience, you'll actually see none at all - as someone else who played Origins (and the Awakening expansion) "the good way", I can attest that none of my decisions were ever contradicted by events in the sequel.

Yeah, I figured you'd only really run into retcon issues if you played the game like your name was Lobo. Sorry, Bioware, drowning kittens didn't interest me.

See above. Considering that's obviously what they want to base the sequel on, its a fairly important thing to over look.

While it doesn't excuse it outright, Lelianna and Zevran appearing in a game with an imported save in which they died is a know bug. There are a ton of issues with the importer not working correctly and it's one of the things (I hope) they address with the upcoming patch. This isn't Bioware "taking your choices away", it's Bioware releasing an incredibly buggy game.

What kind of sick bastard kills Leliana anyway?

That's like kicking a French kitten.

The_root_of_all_evil:

Reminds me of Ray Bradbury, who was told that his seminal work Farenheit 451 was about Government control of people and not about Television destroying books.

Frankly i don't see the distinction very well... i guess it's whether or not the move was intentional by a bunch of evil masterminds or simply happened on it's own. Its still '"being engrossed in stupid, mind numbing things makes you stupid and easily swayed and turns you against smart things!"

Well, it's like Liu Kang in Mortal Kombat. Died, then came back. But Leliana should have been greenish, smelly and with chains.

Forktongue:
While it doesn't excuse it outright, Lelianna and Zevran appearing in a game with an imported save in which they died is a know bug. There are a ton of issues with the importer not working correctly and it's one of the things (I hope) they address with the upcoming patch. This isn't Bioware "taking your choices away", it's Bioware releasing an incredibly buggy game.

Zevran appearing is a bug, Leliana isn't as far as I'm aware, as there's a post on the BioWare forums where David Gaider announces that they decide when someone is dead and when they reuse them (and it was in response to Leliana showing up).

Damnit man, i thought i told you to get rid of Erin's swollen lip!

Funny comic and all, but it feels like the series has become nothing more than a satire on games in general and the whole "Erin is a games journalist / reviewer" has gone right out the window. It'd be nice if the comic could make up its mind what it's trying to be...

Glad Critical Miss decided to make a pixel out of this one. Seriously, that blatant retcon killed DA II even more for me.

Oh come on, you too? Sons, I am disappoint.

Even as a professional qqer, I am quite sick of hearing about DA2.
The episode was amusing but can we all leave this horrible, horrible game alone already?

Forktongue:
While it doesn't excuse it outright, Lelianna and Zevran appearing in a game with an imported save in which they died is a know bug. There are a ton of issues with the importer not working correctly and it's one of the things (I hope) they address with the upcoming patch. This isn't Bioware "taking your choices away", it's Bioware releasing an incredibly buggy game.

Leliana appears in a the prerendered cutscene in the end of the game, it's not a bug. Anders also appears regardless of his or Justice's state in Awakening. The Warden is always "missing", even if dead. Do they check the grave/tomb regularly, in case he rises as a zombie or something?

They must've spent their entire budget on the bazillion versions of Alistair cameo (which are, of course, just fluff).

Zhukov:
What kind of sick bastard kills Leliana anyway?

That's like kicking a French kitten.

One that doesn't want to see the kitten alive again i'd assume...

I'm gonna dance all Dance Hall every day.
I'm gonna dance all Dance Hall every day.
I'm gonna dance all Dance Hall every day.
Well I'm giving myself another one, I have too much to say!!

stuck in my head now.

Oh, and you think this is bad? Imagine what Mass Effect 3 is gonna be like.

And for those people that STILL don't know how ME2 (and Lair of the Shadowbroker) ends...

The_root_of_all_evil:
Reminds me of Ray Bradbury, who was told that his seminal work Farenheit 451 was about Government control of people and not about Television destroying books.

And what would he know?

Authors are not the gods of the illusions they create as people are not in full control of their minds. If the audience devises a logical interpretation, the author can't just say "that's wrong because I say so!".

"Death of the Author" and all that.

Not to mention that Bradbury's stance on the novel isn't even consistent.

Fronzel:

The_root_of_all_evil:
Reminds me of Ray Bradbury, who was told that his seminal work Farenheit 451 was about Government control of people and not about Television destroying books.

And what would he know?

Authors are not the gods of the illusions they create as people are not in full control of their minds. If the audience devises a logical interpretation, the author can't just say "that's wrong because I say so!".

"Death of the Author" and all that.

Not to mention that Bradbury's stance on the novel isn't even consistent.

All that pales in comparison to the fact that the book was really fucking boring. How did we get to Bradbury anyway?

Am I mistaken in believing that her cameo in DAII is a rather small one, that does not really specify how she feels about the warden ?
If that is the case, then this entire thing is the most whiny, idiotic complaint I have ever heard.
If it is not adressed, why do people even assume it is a retcon ?
There are a f*ckton of possible explanations why that french bi... person could be walking around after having her head chopped off.

Just use your imagination to come up with an explanation why she is alive, until it gets adressed explicitly in DA3. Shouldn´t be that hard, seeing how you obviously have already managed to use your imagination to fool yourself into thinking that DA2 is a game worth playing.

For fuck's sake, can't we all give it a rest already? The game isn't great, but it's not terrible. Let's end this already and move on with our lives.

And to wit, Leliana was one of my favorite characters, so seeing her with her head separated from her shoulders was a little unnerving.

Huh... and here I didn't realise that if I had killed her she'd come back... not that I'd ever want to off her anyway, Leilianna was my favorite ally in the first game...

OMG, warn of spoilers pls, I am still playing DA:O, and you are telling me I amn gonna kill Leliana? *Not bringing out leliana of party camp ever again*

EDIT: Damn, I killed Zevran already! Not my fault. Alistair, Morrigan and Wynne were looking pissed off when I was considering the idea of giving him a chance.

TheAmazingHobo:
Am I mistaken in believing that her cameo in DAII is a rather small one, that does not really specify how she feels about the warden ?
If that is the case, then this entire thing is the most whiny, idiotic complaint I have ever heard.

Pretty much this.
But hey, instead of addressing the flaws this otherwise outstanding game has, let's all hate on it, because a decision that half a percent of the people made, wasn't specifically catered for.

Ot to quote the official bioware forums -
RUINED FOREVER.

Sir John the Net Knight:
'Tis but a scratch! XD

No it's not, your whole arms cut off ya daft looney

Gahh!!! Spoiler!!! :<

Now I know that Leilana will try and hinder me from gaining those things! And I need those ashes! Now I regret trying to finish up America Orzammar first!

I had a theory about how she was still alive in DA2 even if people killed her. But It didn't make much sense so I forgot it.... But yeah Great Comic!

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