The Big Picture: Maddening

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boeingguy787:
Seriously, guys? NOBODY believes in second chances? I thought that the justice system was designed to rehabilitate people, and Vick seems to be rehabilitated (unlike countless others who have not changed their ways).

The justice system is for rehabilitation AND punishment. Vick got about 18 months and now he sees why it was horrible, but that's not enough, he should have gotten 5-7 YEARS.

K heres my piece on this;

first ever video of movie bob's i've watched.

1st his gripe with madden
Madden are great games, there are constantly improvements in the controls, graphics, tactics and game play. If you don't see this u probably have not played American football at any decent level in real life, or don't have a true respect for the tactics involved. cause I love each year seeing the expansion of tactics that the nfl comes up with of my own positions an being able to play that out in a game. Also what sort of fan of the NFL are you if you don't want an up to date roster if you can afford it?

2nd comments on the severity of vick's crime
Humans are more important that animals, end of. its sick what some people do to animals, sick. but crimes against a human a 1000x worse. personally the phrase "get your priority's strait" come to mind for bob being as he seems to think dog fighting is in line with rape, hell i would never in a million years have anything to do with dog fighting, but i'd gladly hold a bi monthly dog fight at my house if it meant it stopped someone getting raped. Human life is the most precious thing in the world, animals are important, but they are worth fck all next to that. and rightly so the law follows that line as well.

which leads me to the point to this. he has killed dogs should that be allowed to ruin a man's life? not on your life is it. its not nice its not pleasant and it certainly was not right to hold a blood sport like that. but he has done time for it, a portion of his life that he will never ever get back. that's the end of it, it was only a dog, this is a man's life, he deserves a second chance. if he ever does it again that's another issue... but i dont think he will, he deserves a second chance.

An before anyone else says I just dont give a crap about animals. I have allways had animals from a very young age, when I was a kid I had gerbils, hamsters, rabbits. And lovely cat that I had for 15 years. But at my heart I am a dog lover, have a lovely new foundland who's coming up for his 11th birthday so getting on a bit. An i love him like crazy, will ball my eyes out when he goes. so shove that in your pipe an smoke it, i love dogs, i've just got perspective.

3rd about whether he should be on the cover
Madden is a game about football, football, football, football. Vic is not a mass murderer a rapist or plain beaten the shit out of someone. He made a mistake he has dealt with allot of shit for it, let him move on an get on with his career. he had a great season he deserves the chance to be on the cover. he apologised, did his time, he's not quite a "role model" like i think ideally the person who takes that cover should be. but he had a cracking season, people can learn from his mistakes and how to gracefully deal with your punishment for mistakes, so i'm not gunna begrudge him for it if he gets the cover.

as this article which use's a totally insensitive analogy to express how ridiculous this situation is, but you get the point that, this "out cry" is all political, an people desperately need some god dam perspective on how much more important a human life is. do you not think it a sad situation when vick's career would have been better of if he had committed a fucking horrible crime like rape against another human being, rather than having killed dogs for betting purposes. cause makes me feel disgusted that when something like that happens you get no where near the same out cry http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291796,00.html

edit:don't think bob will give two shits given his attitude, which to me seems frankly naive an childish, but this will probably me the 1st an last time I bother to watch one of his vids, namely cause of said attitude, seriously how did this guy get his own vid on this site???

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WanderingFool:

Also, While I could really care less about Internet movie critics (or critics in general, for that matter) I hold them much higher on the scale than professional athletes. In fact, on a scale from 1 - 10 with 11 being the highest, Professional Athletes would be about 11... in the opposite direction of 0... anyone who makes that much money, and is not saving lives or advancing human society, will not be spared when I start conquering the world.

While I mostly agree I think sports serve a valuable function in society. I don't really care for sports and certainly couldn't be considered a fan, but sports serve as a cultural hook that helps bind communities together. By the same token many kids find inspiration in sports that give them the drive to accomplish and practice to achieve success.

But yeah, I've never understood how adults could find sports so engaging or have such pride in a team they aren't really a part of.

WanderingFool:
Also, EA should keep making those yearly sports games, because if morons keep buying them each year, that money in their pockets and hopefully loosening them up for new IPs. (optimistic and niave, yes.)

EA almost has to keep producing these each year. The primary market of video gaming sports fans probably aren't in the habit of purchasing via digital download. I'm just shocked they don't offer a different version for each franchise with a special team poster and pennant. I don't know the features of the Madden game, but they should offer a special "Madden Fantasy League" that purchasing the new game automatically gets you entrance into.

Good video, here's my opinion on the matter:

Yes he shouldn't be on the cover, yes what he did to those dogs was wrong, no "serving your time" isn't good enough.

I mean really I understand he's a great athlete, but than again so was OJ (Yes I am ready for the flaming), I mean really why do people seem dismissive of shit like that, 90% of serial killers START WITH ANIMALS, no I'm not saying Vick is going to put on a hockey mask and start killing people, no but the concept of dismissing such behavior is stupid. Again like bob I'm not blindly following Peta, but I do love animals and people who abuse animals are scum and deserve whatever they get and more.

All those other poor deserving footballers that didn't get chosen because this scumbag got chosen instead. a crying shame.

Seriously its a crying fucking shame. EA loves working up a scandal only to later cop out under pressure. (in this case, im more than happy to give them an attaboy for dropping out later)

As much animosity as i have for Activision, at the very least Kotick isn't bashful about what they do and doesn't let monkeys run their PR department.

Just so I can be the counterpoint.

A) There are convicted murderer's in the NFL. PEOPLE CONVICTED OF KILLING OTHER PEOPLE WITH NO REMORSE! As well, Mike Tyson...and many others who've raped and killed as athletes...Yeah....Kobe

B) Vick is a douche, but know what...your aiming at a small narrow crap opinion on the issue. Once you've seen the whole damn thing, Vick was really just busted for having it in his house, not exactly doing it. He hung around crappy friends and he paid for it. Know what? His friends also got less time than him. He at least is doing respectable things now with the HUMANE SOCIETY and is working on fixing his errors. See dogfighting is a way of life where these people are from...he's from the poor shitholes of Virginia. This isn't a single issue, its actually a cultural phenomena like cockfighting. If you want to bitch about the crime...actually help out there...and what I mean is help with education out there and helping kids be happy with dogs and so forth...you know because Michael Vick should just be lynched as an example huh?

Though seriously, why make this man a pariah for something he did his time for and happened before. Read Les Mis or look at OJ. The constant pursuit of justice hurts more than helps. So people...just let it die. Sheesh.

Edit: Also, I love animals just in case someone tries that on me. I had a dog for 18 years. I just know the reality of these situations first-hand. It isn't pretty.

Flame me all you want, for creating a topic on this, but I want to get my veiw out there on this cause frankly think this is ridiculous.

this topic is about this vid
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/3032-Maddening

Have never watched any of his vid's before an probably wont bother again

I'm frankly bemused at the fact that because a man is a football player he's not worthy of redemption because his career choice is apparently not worthy? apparently you have to be a war hero or a brilliant physicist to be worthy of a second chance . cause apparently he is only a professional sports man. So according to this guy if we ever do anything wrong we are screwed unless we give something amazing to the world! by this guys judgement . .

An frankly anyone who thinks he's just good at catching a ball knows nothing about the week in week out training they do, they treat their body's like well oiled machines, they work very very long hours of constant training and they entertain million's. (there are super freak exceptions who turn up eating cookies an just go to town)

Anyway here is my reply to his vid, which I just felt I wanted to get out there, cause i'm frankly amazed (basing on that one vid) how this guy seem's to have a regular fan base if these are his very simplistic almost childish views, seriously needs to get off that high horse, see everyone is not 100% like him and some people will make mistakes, but for 90% of crimes you deserve a second chance.

To me he is just hating on someone because he is successful and as always your going to get hate if your successful, this is just an excuse.

"K heres my piece on this;

first ever video of movie bob's i've watched.

1st his gripe with madden
Madden are great games, there are constantly improvements in the controls, graphics, tactics and game play. If you don't see this u probably have not played American football at any decent level in real life, or don't have a true respect for the tactics involved. cause I love each year seeing the expansion of tactics that the nfl comes up with of my own positions an being able to play that out in a game. Also what sort of fan of the NFL are you if you don't want an up to date roster if you can afford it?

2nd comments on the severity of vick's crime
Humans are more important that animals, end of. its sick what some people do to animals, sick. but crimes against a human a 1000x worse. personally the phrase "get your priority's strait" come to mind for bob being as he seems to think dog fighting is in line with rape, hell i would never in a million years have anything to do with dog fighting, but i'd gladly hold a bi monthly dog fight at my house if it meant it stopped someone getting raped. Human life is the most precious thing in the world, animals are important, but they are worth fck all next to that. and rightly so the law follows that line as well.

which leads me to the point to this. he has killed dogs should that be allowed to ruin a man's life? not on your life is it. its not nice its not pleasant and it certainly was not right to hold a blood sport like that. but he has done time for it, a portion of his life that he will never ever get back. that's the end of it, it was only a dog, this is a man's life, he deserves a second chance. if he ever does it again that's another issue... but i dont think he will, he deserves a second chance.

An before anyone else says I just dont give a crap about animals. I have allways had animals from a very young age, when I was a kid I had gerbils, hamsters, rabbits. And lovely cat that I had for 15 years. But at my heart I am a dog lover, have a lovely new foundland who's coming up for his 11th birthday so getting on a bit. An i love him like crazy, will ball my eyes out when he goes. so shove that in your pipe an smoke it, i love dogs, i've just got perspective.

3rd about whether he should be on the cover
Madden is a game about football, football, football, football. Vic is not a mass murderer a rapist or plain beaten the shit out of someone. He made a mistake he has dealt with allot of shit for it, let him move on an get on with his career. he had a great season he deserves the chance to be on the cover. he apologised, did his time, he's not quite a "role model" like i think ideally the person who takes that cover should be. but he had a cracking season, people can learn from his mistakes and how to gracefully deal with your punishment for mistakes, so i'm not gunna begrudge him for it if he gets the cover.

as this article which use's a totally insensitive analogy to express how ridiculous this situation is, but you get the point that, this "out cry" is all political, an people desperately need some god dam perspective on how much more important a human life is. do you not think it a sad situation when vick's career would have been better of if he had committed a fucking horrible crime like rape against another human being, rather than having killed dogs for betting purposes. cause makes me feel disgusted that when something like that happens you get no where near the same out cry http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291796,00.html

edit:don't think bob will give two shits given his attitude, which to me seems frankly naive an childish, but this will probably me the 1st an last time I bother to watch one of his vids, namely cause of said attitude, seriously how did this guy get his own vid on this site???"

If you've got a question for me,if you as bemused about my views as I am with movie bob's then snip quote me an i'll expand.

Go discuss this in the moviebob the maddening discussion in featured content.

I'm with you, although this probably didn't warrant a new thread.

Further punishment of the guy undermines the entire point and role of the judicial process.

bdcjacko:
Go discuss this in the moviebob the maddening discussion in featured content.

I did but I'm on page like 17 of probably 20 by now, an found this so frustrating wanted to get my opinion out there.

Jedihunter4:

bdcjacko:
Go discuss this in the moviebob the maddening discussion in featured content.

I did but I'm on page like 17 of probably 20 by now, an found this so frustrating wanted to get my opinion out there.

Well then there are 20 pages of people that are willing to discuss your point there.

That was a bit over the top. Just because somebody does something irrefutably wrong, doesn't mean they don't deserve a second chance. I get it though. We probably shouldn't be glorifying the guy on a video game cover. Probably shouldn't.

bdcjacko:

Jedihunter4:

bdcjacko:
Go discuss this in the moviebob the maddening discussion in featured content.

I did but I'm on page like 17 of probably 20 by now, an found this so frustrating wanted to get my opinion out there.

Well then there are 20 pages of people that are willing to discuss your point there.

No cause what everyone does is, read first couple of pages, an then post . . . . . . hence trying to create a topic to get my view out there for discussion. Unfortunately appears I'm only getting the attention of some wise ass.

He is to be judged on his personal life as all people are. As you are. As the beggar and the politician are.
The outcry is far from political.
You don't have perspective, you have bias.

The man is scum. It is precisely because he is a man that he ought to be brought to task all the more.
You say it's "just a dog" because it lacks the cognitive skills your average healthy human does, which makes exploitation of the animals by this swirling torrent of mediocre all the more reprehensible.

I am tired of celebrity worship. If the guy ran a hospital he would be ought of a job. If the guy ran a charity he would be out of a job. If the guy cured cancer, he would be out of a job.
But because he runs across a field and throws a round thing for a living he's suddenly "worthy of redemption".
My ass.
The guy deserves nothing. If he wants a second chance then he's going to have to earn it. You do not hand it to him because you have a compulsion to treat these utterly ineffectual, over-rated, lumbering, testosterone fuelled pustules as somehow having contributed something of value to society.

anyone here who says "its just a dog" needs to actually WATCH a dogfight. its sick, its disgusting. and anyone. ANYONE, man woman or child, who both participates, and endorses it, should be thrown in the pit WITH those dogs.

you think this is a knee jerk reaction? just you go look up pictues of these dogs after a fight. its both sick, and sad that people derive pelasure from abuseing these animals this way.

and no, im not a peta fanatic. like moviebib, i hunt, wear leather, eat meat, all that. but hes right. theres a line in teh sand you just DO NOT CROSS. if i had my way, i;d be standing on the other side of that line with a shotgun..

Jedihunter4:

bdcjacko:

Jedihunter4:

I did but I'm on page like 17 of probably 20 by now, an found this so frustrating wanted to get my opinion out there.

Well then there are 20 pages of people that are willing to discuss your point there.

No cause what everyone does is, read first couple of pages, an then post . . . . . . hence trying to create a topic to get my view out there for discussion. Unfortunately appears I'm only getting the attention of some wise ass.

Sorry if asking you to follow the rules comes off as being a wise ass. I reply to 20+ page threads and can still strike up a conversation with people there.

Also you watch the video wrong. He doesn't say Micheal Vick shouldn't be forgiven. He just says Micheal Vick shouldn't be celebrated and congratulated just because he got out of prison and had a good year of football.

LOOK EVERYONE! Im not EVEN going to get into the dog killing thing. lets just talk about football. Green Bay won. Aaron Rodgers is fucking amazing. He should be on the cover. There i said it. Fuck the atlanta falcons anyways...

I was going to write a long drawn out counter arguement but i think my postion can be summed up in two words.Dude.... really?

walsfeo:

But yeah, I've never understood how adults could find sports so engaging or have such pride in a team they aren't really a part of.

Cause you are part of the team by supporting, its not just something teams say to get you to the game.

I play uni American football in the UK, so imagine how many fan's we get turn up, you have no idea how much of a boost it is when we get 20-30 people turn up to watch an cheer us on.

Also I'm studying as a motorcycle motor sport engineer an again when I'm doing race weekends, especially for this as we never really get fans, its a fucking crazy boost to moral an spirits to the team.

Fans are part of the team.

Trolldor:
He is to be judged on his personal life as all people are. As you are. As the beggar and the politician are.
The outcry is far from political.
You don't have perspective, you have bias.

The man is scum. It is precisely because he is a man that he ought to be brought to task all the more.
You say it's "just a dog" because it lacks the cognitive skills your average healthy human does, which makes exploitation of the animals by this swirling torrent of mediocre all the more reprehensible.

I am tired of celebrity worship. If the guy ran a hospital he would be ought of a job. If the guy ran a charity he would be out of a job. If the guy cured cancer, he would be out of a job.
But because he runs across a field and throws a round thing for a living he's suddenly "worthy of redemption".
My ass.
The guy deserves nothing. If he wants a second chance then he's going to have to earn it. You do not hand it to him because you have a compulsion to treat these utterly ineffectual, over-rated, lumbering, testosterone fuelled pustules as somehow having contributed something of value to society.

Well all those guys deserve redemption as well but because they don't get exposure they'll unfairly never get it. He already earned his second chance, it's called serving his prison time and following all the rules they laid out for him. What more does it take for him to "earn his second chance?" Does he have to cure cancer or some bullshit like that for him "to be worthy"?

Cheddar:
LOOK EVERYONE! Im not EVEN going to get into the dog killing thing. lets just talk about football. Green Bay won. Aaron Rodgers is fucking amazing. He should be on the cover. There i said it. Fuck the atlanta falcons anyways...

I agree with you about the Rodgers thing, not because of the Dog Fighting Issue but because winning the Super Bowl (and having a damn good season) is better than having a great season (but a first round exit). But you do know Vick plays for the Eagles now right?

Lionsfan:

Trolldor:
He is to be judged on his personal life as all people are. As you are. As the beggar and the politician are.
The outcry is far from political.
You don't have perspective, you have bias.

The man is scum. It is precisely because he is a man that he ought to be brought to task all the more.
You say it's "just a dog" because it lacks the cognitive skills your average healthy human does, which makes exploitation of the animals by this swirling torrent of mediocre all the more reprehensible.

I am tired of celebrity worship. If the guy ran a hospital he would be ought of a job. If the guy ran a charity he would be out of a job. If the guy cured cancer, he would be out of a job.
But because he runs across a field and throws a round thing for a living he's suddenly "worthy of redemption".
My ass.
The guy deserves nothing. If he wants a second chance then he's going to have to earn it. You do not hand it to him because you have a compulsion to treat these utterly ineffectual, over-rated, lumbering, testosterone fuelled pustules as somehow having contributed something of value to society.

Well all those guys deserve redemption as well but because they don't get exposure they'll unfairly never get it. He already earned his second chance, it's called serving his prison time and following all the rules they laid out for him. What more does it take for him to "earn his second chance?" Does he have to cure cancer or some bullshit like that for him "to be worthy"?

Prison isn't redemption. It's punishment.
He's done jack shit to make amends, and he never will. He's a scummy human being who takes pleasure in watching the pain and suffering of living animals.

...in that way he's not so much different to the average football fan.

bdcjacko:

Jedihunter4:

bdcjacko:

Well then there are 20 pages of people that are willing to discuss your point there.

No cause what everyone does is, read first couple of pages, an then post . . . . . . hence trying to create a topic to get my view out there for discussion. Unfortunately appears I'm only getting the attention of some wise ass.

Sorry if asking you to follow the rules comes off as being a wise ass. I reply to 20+ page threads and can still strike up a conversation with people there.

Also you watch the video wrong. He doesn't say Micheal Vick shouldn't be forgiven. He just says Micheal Vick shouldn't be celebrated and congratulated just because he got out of prison and had a good year of football.

think one of the phrase's he said was "he can't suffer enough" also remember him saying something along the lines of rotting, an he did on on a rant about his career not making him worthy of second chance, so yer I'm pretty sure he did man.

what rules am I breaking just trying to create a separate discussion about my specific view point cause I think his is totally wrong, an if you read my post I have been allot more balanced than moviebob was.

Also sorry for calling you a wise ass if you genuanly feel your trying to up hold some sort of system but just seemed to me that keep coming back, ur just sparring for an argument or attention.

Jedihunter4:
think one of the phrase's he said was "he can't suffer enough" also remember him saying something along the lines of rotting, an he did on on a rant about his career not making him worthy of second chance, so yer I'm pretty sure he did man.

what rules am I breaking just trying to create a separate discussion about my specific view point cause I think his is totally wrong, an if you read my post I have been allot more balanced than moviebob was.

Also sorry for calling you a wise ass if you genuanly feel your trying to up hold some sort of system but just seemed to me that keep coming back, ur just sparring for an argument or attention.

There is a rule against duplicate threads. Technically this is a duplicate thread.

Also, sorry I don't have sympathy for a million that kills dogs for fun.

I don't really care about the cover of madden, but I see where you're coming from, and a lot of people don't seem fully grasp the concept of what Vick did. He invested in brutalizing animals till they were scared and violent in order to watch them tear each other apart; often killing ones that survived, but were too injured to fight any more. I know that killing a person is an act inherently, in itself, worse then killing an animal, but which could you see yourself doing more easily: shooting a person, or taking and animal and slowly downing it to death?
It isn't just what he did, it's the mindset a person would have to have in order to put the energy and forethought into starving and torturing animals, before forcing them to attack each other, and crudely killing them at the end of it all. There is NO way to accidentally do that and the suffering of the animal is the entire point of the sport and not a byproduct of it.

Average person commits a felony, goes to jail, gets out - Has a hard time getting a job again due to said felony. Can barely work at McDonalds, probably will never become a manager or be trusted with any amount of authority again.

Celebrity (actor, musician, sports athlete) commits felony, goes to jail, gets out - Gets millions of dollars for acting / playing music / throwing a ball. Lives rest of life in relative luxury.

Saying "You don't get to be on the cover of a video game" or on the Wheaties box, or whatever isn't going to ruin his life. He will still have his paycheck from his football career. It just means he doesn't get the HONOR of being recognized as someone we want to hold up as being GREAT.

Being a felon hasn't ruined his life in the same way it would the average person. So, no. Sorry. Bob is right, you are wrong. Torturing and killing animals for sport is morally reprehensible. As bad as rape or murder? No, of course not. But it is still sick, repugnant, and vile and debased. The man shouldn't be honored by us. He has his honor from us - We still allow him to throw a ball around and make millions of dollars for our entertainment.

Trolldor:
He is to be judged on his personal life as all people are. As you are. As the beggar and the politician are.
The outcry is far from political.
You don't have perspective, you have bias.

The man is scum. It is precisely because he is a man that he ought to be brought to task all the more.
You say it's "just a dog" because it lacks the cognitive skills your average healthy human does, which makes exploitation of the animals by this swirling torrent of mediocre all the more reprehensible.

I am tired of celebrity worship. If the guy ran a hospital he would be ought of a job. If the guy ran a charity he would be out of a job. If the guy cured cancer, he would be out of a job.
But because he runs across a field and throws a round thing for a living he's suddenly "worthy of redemption".
My ass.
The guy deserves nothing. If he wants a second chance then he's going to have to earn it. You do not hand it to him because you have a compulsion to treat these utterly ineffectual, over-rated, lumbering, testosterone fuelled pustules as somehow having contributed something of value to society.

I was going to argue my own point but you summed it up for me.

I would also like to add that imprisonment is not meant as "serving your time" like everyone acts. Its a way of keeping the undesirable parts of society out of everyone else's lives. The reason we don't keep them there forever is because society cannot afford it, and there isn't enough space for it either. If we had unlimited funds and space then you can guarantee that every person caught doing what he did would never see the light of day again.

Preston_r:
Average person commits a felony, goes to jail, gets out - Has a hard time getting a job again due to said felony. Can barely work at McDonalds, probably will never become a manager or be trusted with any amount of authority again.

Celebrity (actor, musician, sports athlete) commits felony, goes to jail, gets out - Gets millions of dollars for acting / playing music / throwing a ball. Lives rest of life in relative luxury.

Saying "You don't get to be on the cover of a video game" or on the Wheaties box, or whatever isn't going to ruin his life. He will still have his paycheck from his football career. It just means he doesn't get the HONOR of being recognized as someone we want to hold up as being GREAT.

Being a felon hasn't ruined his life in the same way it would the average person. So, no. Sorry. Bob is right, you are wrong. Torturing and killing animals for sport is morally reprehensible. As bad as rape or murder? No, of course not. But it is still sick, repugnant, and vile and debased. The man shouldn't be honored by us. He has his honor from us - We still allow him to throw a ball around and make millions of dollars for our entertainment.

This is also perfectly true.

Trolldor:

Prison isn't redemption. It's punishment.
He's done jack shit to make amends, and he never will. He's a scummy human being who takes pleasure in watching the pain and suffering of living animals.

And his serving his punishment gives him equal footing. Not exactly equal since we'll all remember his crimes but he's earned his second chance. That's the way our justice system is set up, you commit the crime you serve the time. And once the time is served you can start you're road to redemption. And his redemption isn't because of what he's doing on the football field, not his moral redemption anyway. It's his charity work he does with the Humane Society since his prison release, it's the fact that he's kept a clean nose since prison. That's his moral redemption.

...in that way he's not so much different to the average football fan.

Really dude?

Not putting him on a box isn't punishing him. I'm not being put on a box either, I don't feel like I've been punished, that's silly.

However, putting him on a box is championing him, as if he's someone to look up to. And he's not. He tortured and killed animals. And serving time doesn't mean he's redeemed, he was just punished.

Fuck that guy.

Trolldor:
He is to be judged on his personal life as all people are. As you are. As the beggar and the politician are.
The outcry is far from political.
You don't have perspective, you have bias.

The man is scum. It is precisely because he is a man that he ought to be brought to task all the more.
You say it's "just a dog" because it lacks the cognitive skills your average healthy human does, which makes exploitation of the animals by this swirling torrent of mediocre all the more reprehensible.

I am tired of celebrity worship. If the guy ran a hospital he would be ought of a job. If the guy ran a charity he would be out of a job. If the guy cured cancer, he would be out of a job.
But because he runs across a field and throws a round thing for a living he's suddenly "worthy of redemption".
My ass.
The guy deserves nothing. If he wants a second chance then he's going to have to earn it. You do not hand it to him because you have a compulsion to treat these utterly ineffectual, over-rated, lumbering, testosterone fuelled pustules as somehow having contributed something of value to society.

I'm not even a Vick fan! I support the cowboys so where is the bias there!
and precisely because he is in the public eye, he has received 10x the amount of trouble from it. He is actively donating to charities to stop it, he is obviously making an effort. he's not swanning about, being like "fuck it". Also the compulsion to give him a second chance is because of how he has been very humble in accepting his punishment an trying to put it right.

A large part of my point was that this man is basicly being overly persecuted because he is a football player, so who is being biased!

Sport adds a fucking huge amount to our society as a whole, its an inspiration, its entertainment to billions, it helps combat obesity and improve public health, helps the economy, helps build team work and team building skill, give's an outlet for our natural aggression an urge to compete. In motor sport, it drives forward innovation, funds large areas of education an research, provides funding for those who can not afford uni, is a testing ground for safety equipment for the public sector as well as proving tech to improve fuel economy. Do you want me to go on?

An I have never really herd of anyone loosing a job that was not animal related or care related for animal abuse, so that's rubbish. Also if you had cured cancer i'm pretty sure you ain't ever going to loose your job, ever.

And it is political, how can you not see that. People love animals, powerful people who rely on public support see this, vick does bad things to animals, people go over the top public out cry, power full people see this an come down on Vick like a tonne of bricks. do you want me to put it in simpler terms?

Also I say its just a dog because, it is an animal, I am a human, sorry if I value the life of my own above that of another species.

Seriously don't call someone biased who has clearly attempted to view both side an then come in totally one sided without considering any views apart from your own. I created this thread cause I attempted to look at moviebobs view point an totally didt agree, you have just come charging in(just as moviebob did) totally biased an one sided so I value your opinion practically null as you have made some frankly stupid comments about sport an the topic in general.

I'm not going to join in the argument, but I can tell you why MovieBob has 'The Big Picture' show on the Escapist.
Mainly because he has two other successful shows on the internet already, and a lot of people generally agree with what he has to say.
Shamus Young put well in one of his articles when he joked 'MovieBob is this close to being in a position to start his own cult.'

So he's kinda popular around here.

Cheddar:
LOOK EVERYONE! Im not EVEN going to get into the dog killing thing. lets just talk about football. Green Bay won. Aaron Rodgers is fucking amazing. He should be on the cover. There i said it. Fuck the atlanta falcons anyways...

Well at least you have allot more rational reasoning than some people lol, although I think jay cutler should be on the front getting sacked, just for a laugh :)

Icaruss:
I was going to write a long drawn out counter arguement but i think my postion can be summed up in two words.Dude.... really?

very grown up . . . add nothing to the conversation

The problem is, you're looking at it as Person vs Animal, when it is about the ACT that has been done. It is the ACT of TORTURE for profit. It makes a difference in you sentence between a human and an animal, but the actual act of torture for either is similar. It is the fact that he went out of his way to inflict pain on something, for no reason other than profit.

That is why he doesn't deserve to be on the cover, and what moviebob was trying to express above all else.

The act of torture is why he shouldn't be praised. There is something wrong when a human being cannot feel empathy. And that is what terrifies me.

Outright Villainy:
Not putting him on a box isn't punishing him. I'm not being put on a box either, I don't feel like I've been punished, that's silly.

However, putting him on a box is championing him, as if he's someone to look up to. And he's not. He tortured and killed animals. And serving time doesn't mean he's redeemed, he was just punished.

Fuck that guy.

Not putting him on a box that would have otherwise given him lots of moneys because of his actions is a punishment.

Jedihunter4:

Trolldor:
He is to be judged on his personal life as all people are. As you are. As the beggar and the politician are.
The outcry is far from political.
You don't have perspective, you have bias.

The man is scum. It is precisely because he is a man that he ought to be brought to task all the more.
You say it's "just a dog" because it lacks the cognitive skills your average healthy human does, which makes exploitation of the animals by this swirling torrent of mediocre all the more reprehensible.

I am tired of celebrity worship. If the guy ran a hospital he would be ought of a job. If the guy ran a charity he would be out of a job. If the guy cured cancer, he would be out of a job.
But because he runs across a field and throws a round thing for a living he's suddenly "worthy of redemption".
My ass.
The guy deserves nothing. If he wants a second chance then he's going to have to earn it. You do not hand it to him because you have a compulsion to treat these utterly ineffectual, over-rated, lumbering, testosterone fuelled pustules as somehow having contributed something of value to society.

I'm not even a Vick fan! I support the cowboys so where is the bias there!
and precisely because he is in the public eye, he has received 10x the amount of trouble from it. He is actively donating to charities to stop it, he is obviously making an effort. he's not swanning about, being like "fuck it". Also the compulsion to give him a second chance is because of how he has been very humble in accepting his punishment an trying to put it right.

A large part of my point was that this man is basicly being overly persecuted because he is a football player, so who is being biased!

Sport adds a fucking huge amount to our society as a whole, its an inspiration, its entertainment to billions, it helps combat obesity and improve public health, helps the economy, helps build team work and team building skill, give's an outlet for our natural aggression an urge to compete. In motor sport, it drives forward innovation, funds large areas of education an research, provides funding for those who can not afford uni, is a testing ground for safety equipment for the public sector as well as proving tech to improve fuel economy. Do you want me to go on?

An I have never really herd of anyone loosing a job that was not animal related or care related for animal abuse, so that's rubbish. Also if you had cured cancer i'm pretty sure you ain't ever going to loose your job, ever.

And it is political, how can you not see that. People love animals, powerful people who rely on public support see this, vick does bad things to animals, people go over the top public out cry, power full people see this an come down on Vick like a tonne of bricks. do you want me to put it in simpler terms?

Also I say its just a dog because, it is an animal, I am a human, sorry if I value the life of my own above that of another species.

Seriously don't call someone biased who has clearly attempted to view both side an then come in totally one sided without considering any views apart from your own. I created this thread cause I attempted to look at moviebobs view point an totally didt agree, you have just come charging in(just as moviebob did) totally biased an one sided so I value your opinion practically null as you have made some frankly stupid comments about sport an the topic in general.

Thank you for proving my point.
You have bias, not perspective.

The guy is far from being overly prosecuted, especially when he's still being paid however much money for his blatant disregard for the well being of another living thing.

You have bias, not persective. If you had perspective you'd know this guy didn't kill an animal to save a life, he deliberately fostered an environment in which two animals would be trained and let loose on one another to cause pain, to cause harm, and could cause death, for entertainment.
It was an act of pleasure to him.
That says all I need to know about the man, and it's something you are deliberately ignoring.

Unpopular opinion incoming:
I'm voting for him. He had a great year and Philly was heading for a 7-9 record without him. Was what he did horrible? Yes, but he served the time he was given for it. End of story.

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