Zero Punctuation: Yakuza 4

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randommaster:

Headbiter:

It'd be "I study German," I believe. I don't recall Yahtzee ever saying anything about stydying anything from Germany, though.

Germanistik = "German" (implying literature and linguistics) or "German Studies" (implying history and cultural studies), depending on the focus of the academic department in question.

[quote="SFR" post="6.277003.10769583"]The little disclaimer was there not because Yatzee thought he'd offend someone without out it, but instead because it was funny. Stark contrast=humor.

Actually, I think only the second part is the joke. Stark contrasts often do prompt humor, but the disaster was so serious and the review is so mocking that it's in everyone's best interests to state the limits of the criticism clearly. I appreciated it, and I still thought the review was great fun.

i lold HARD at the outro stills

face shoes

I've always found the best way to enjoy the plot of a Yakuza game is to have a friend with you and laugh together through all the cutscenes. It's absolutely mind-boggling how insane the stories can get without the writers ever seeming to notice.

Oh, and the whole "visual novel" thing makes much much more sense when you realize that they're supposed to be digital choose-your-own-adventure books rather than games. People who play them always insist to me that some of them have really good stories, but I remain skeptical.

There's got to be something wrong with the game design when...
Either half of the game is unplayable OR you find yourself "just not playing it".

LsL:MCL had this same kind of problem.
Since most of the over all game consisted of mini-games and at least half of the game WAS optional (did not have to be played in order to either advance OR win); You end up getting through it rather quickly AND being dissatisfied.

It's to bad that game designers keep making these kinds of mistakes.

Misho-:
I would like to get into the Yakuza franchise, but I'm hesitant to go pick every Yakuza game evar just to get who's who.

Actually, you don't have to pick up the previous games to get caught up. All of the games in this series aside from the first one have a special "reminisce" option that shows you special movie sequences that summarize the events of previous games if you wish it. And besides, three out of the four playable characters in this game are new characters that don't appear in any of the previous games.

Extremely good review. I haven't played the yakuza-games but it seems that you've summarized them for me :P

"constable blimy chips"
hate to say it, but i'd play that.

A1:

Misho-:
I would like to get into the Yakuza franchise, but I'm hesitant to go pick every Yakuza game evar just to get who's who.

Actually, you don't have to pick up the previous games to get caught up. All of the games in this series aside from the first one have a special "reminisce" option that shows you special movie sequences that summarize the events of previous games if you wish it. And besides, three out of the four playable characters in this game are new characters that don't appear in any of the previous games.

That's coo.

My previous experience was seeing one the first games thru the window and the demo last year for Yakuza 3 (which was hilarious in its own way and made me love the series). But yeah, that sounds nice :)

Epic ending<3
Oh, I missed the good Yahtzee jokes.

brazuca:

A1:

LCP:
Hehehe, but then again, Japanese ARE into some weird shit

Okay. There are at least two things about that statement that are problematic. First, it's too general. It insinuates that all Japanese people are "into some weird shit" or in other words they all have the same tastes. That's quite frankly getting borderline racist.

And second it's worth noting that there is probably a decent chance that many people in Japan think similar things about people who live in other countries, if you catch my drift.

Okay, but why is that of all the far east Japan is the most that stands out. No North Korea is not bizarre, Kim Jong-il is.

It does seem that Japan is a very distinctive nation in more ways than one doesn't it? And I certainly don't mean that in a bad way. But as for why this is, I can't say that I know. I'm not even sure if many people living in Japan know. Does anyone really know why you are the way you are? That does seem to be a very good question and it's unlikely to have an easy and/or simple answer.

A1:

orangecharger:
Bwahahahaa -- nice opening loved it! "Japanese are into some crazy shit!" right after a heartfelt balanced statement over the recent tragedy -- ah Yahtzee you cheeky bastard -- Another good quote "sumptuous fruit basket for your fist" -- Milk. Nose. Mess. I wasn't going to buy this game anyways - having watched the earlier Escapist review -- but now I am definitely not. I don't want to read the bottom of my tv for the sake of "realism". Realism where I am a kung fu god single handling kicking the ass off of everyone as long as I am in the right place to do it. Pshhhfft. Meh.

It's not about "realism" as few if any video games are truly realistic, it's about authenticity. When a game takes place in Japan it's only logical that the people actually speak Japanese.

And Kung Fu is Chinese, not Japanese.

Wow thanks for that. So a game that's not realistic (as few games are) needs to be authentic? Well that makes sense, when it's actually a game and I am waggling thumb sticks. Surely the game would have been ruined to have the English option. Don't mistake authenticity for cheaping out on additional voice acting... Technically, if you want the experience to be authentic there shouldn't be subtitles... I don't believe subtitles pop under folks in Tokyo while they are talking. I guess you are taking exception to the my use of the word "realism" and instead prefer authenticity -- for me and for the purpose of what I was saying the two could be interchangeable.

An on the Kung Fu thing being Chinese. You best get on Yahtzee for that -- check out 01:22 of the video. That's what he called it.

Edit: http://thesaurus.com/browse/realism

Main Entry: realism
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: authenticity
Synonyms: naturalness, reality, truth, verisimilitude, verism, verity
Roget's 21st Century Thesaurus, Third Edition
Copyright © 2011 by the Philip Lief Group.
Cite This Source

Needed more imps but other than that it was a great review. I see why he did the statement in the beginning. It probably saved him a lot of trouble from having to respond to whatever "politically correct" wingbat pops out from under the nearest rock and proceeds to defecate on his jokes. Basically a CMA. It sucks that you had to do it Yahtzee.... You were probably forced to or something.

jack583:
"constable blimy chips"
hate to say it, but i'd play that.

I was just going to ask if I was the only one who thought that sounded like an awesome game... Something along the lines of an open world game of the Rivers of London books maybe.

redbeta22:
Why are Japanese games full of weird reaction noises? Wah? Huh? I've always thought they were there because of the translation from Japanese to English, but if they're in the Japanese VO as well? Could somebody explain?

I think it's both a question of culture and language. In Japanese, you often leave out the subject of a sentence, in particular if you are the subject yourself. Japanese people are encouraged (or stimulated if you prefer a more technical term) to be reserved in public-- in Finland, really in all of northern Scandinavia, they have a very similar cultural stimuli. Northern dialects of Swedish and Finnish, and to some extent Norweigan, also have many empty interjections-- but together with subject omission it actually says alot more than you might think. Japanese is spoken in a very context-sensitive way, as are many dialects in northern Scandinavia. They have in common that they sometimes omit entire sentence structures for a few words, often ended by a single morpheme (a "noise").

However, many of the weird reaction noises are also a matter of style. The style in Japanese games, comics and the weird "live action anime" film genre have some pretty strong stereotypes-- all the empty interjections and incessant "boku wa~~" aren't how most adult Japanese people speak....

But, hey, do YOU speak like a video-game character?

A1:
That's quite frankly getting borderline racist.

Japanese isn't a race, it's a nationality. Calm down it's just a joke, bro.

zombie711:
does anyone get a "God hand" vibe from this game.

PS what is a hostess club?

Cute.
It is a club in to which you go in, pay yourself broke in order to get a girl to sit next to you, drink with you, sing karaoke or what ever you consider as entertainment. Rules are simple, youa re not allowed to touch the girls, they just sit next to you, flirt with you and so on. And they get paid well! Specially if they fit to the clients desires.

SinisterGehe:

zombie711:
does anyone get a "God hand" vibe from this game.

PS what is a hostess club?

Cute.
It is a club in to which you go in, pay yourself broke in order to get a girl to sit next to you, drink with you, sing karaoke or what ever you consider as entertainment. Rules are simple, youa re not allowed to touch the girls, they just sit next to you, flirt with you and so on. And they get paid well! Specially if they fit to the clients desires.

that sounds Kinda stupid.

Not much of a fan of the Yakuza series,but funny review overall.

Everyone wanting to try Yakuza can just start with 3, as it's a lot smoother than the first two. The story there is awesome, but not necessary to follow the events. Hell, part of the fun is half the time you don't know what's going on just look at those cute yakuza's acting all tough.. Ow and there's something immensely hysterical about clapping and yelling to bad kareoke songs.

Celtic_Kerr:
German Yahtzee? I think I died when heard that.

Fantastic episode as always!

Being german myself, I probably missed it, but what part are you reffering to/talking about?

I would LOVE to hear more of Deadly Premonition, hope he'll review it.

I can't believe that we've had 93 comments, and not one person mentioned the balls-shaped opening on the Guillotine...

That was the funniest part to me, but then I usually like the visual aspect of ZP as much as his rants.

-Post delete-

Okay, so, who wants to take bets on how long it takes the Yakuza 4 character noise remixes to start showing up on YouTube?

Nurb:
I don't see why you had to have a disclaimer when commenting on a culture's seemingly odd interests doesn't imply you want horrible things to happen to them.

Because some people out there are dumb and will go "HEY YOU SHOULDN'T MAKE FUN OF THE JAPANESE THEY JUST WENT THROUGH A TRAGEDY YOU ARE A MONSTER!" or some nonsense if you don't give a disclaimer.

Constable Blimey Chaps needs to made, NAO.

No, seriously, I would pay good money for that.

how would that have offended me if that pointless intro hadnt appeared? Its Zero punctuation for gods sake! even then ive almost completely forgotten about the whole earthquake tsunami thing. But if it stops people from complaining I guess it couldnt hurt.

orangecharger:

A1:

orangecharger:
Bwahahahaa -- nice opening loved it! "Japanese are into some crazy shit!" right after a heartfelt balanced statement over the recent tragedy -- ah Yahtzee you cheeky bastard -- Another good quote "sumptuous fruit basket for your fist" -- Milk. Nose. Mess. I wasn't going to buy this game anyways - having watched the earlier Escapist review -- but now I am definitely not. I don't want to read the bottom of my tv for the sake of "realism". Realism where I am a kung fu god single handling kicking the ass off of everyone as long as I am in the right place to do it. Pshhhfft. Meh.

It's not about "realism" as few if any video games are truly realistic, it's about authenticity. When a game takes place in Japan it's only logical that the people actually speak Japanese.

And Kung Fu is Chinese, not Japanese.

Wow thanks for that. So a game that's not realistic (as few games are) needs to be authentic? Well that makes sense, when it's actually a game and I am waggling thumb sticks. Surely the game would have been ruined to have the English option. Don't mistake authenticity for cheaping out on additional voice acting... Technically, if you want the experience to be authentic there shouldn't be subtitles... I don't believe subtitles pop under folks in Tokyo while they are talking. I guess you are taking exception to the my use of the word "realism" and instead prefer authenticity -- for me and for the purpose of what I was saying the two could be interchangeable.

An on the Kung Fu thing being Chinese. You best get on Yahtzee for that -- check out 01:22 of the video. That's what he called it.

Edit: http://thesaurus.com/browse/realism

Main Entry: realism
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: authenticity
Synonyms: naturalness, reality, truth, verisimilitude, verism, verity
Roget's 21st Century Thesaurus, Third Edition
Copyright © 2011 by the Philip Lief Group.
Cite This Source

About authenticity and realism, well that's fair enough. The two are similar.

But the thing is I never said that the game wasn't realistic, just not truly realistic. As in not 100% realistic. The thing is it's not just a matter of being realistic or not realistic. There are differing degrees of realism and authenticity. And striving for a degree of realism and authenticity in a game is certainly not a shameful thing as it can make the game more relatable and believable, or at the very least more interesting. And the Yakuza series is certainly big on authenticity. Yahtzee after all did comment on the large amount of Japanese culture found in Yakuza 4.

And there doesn't seem to be any way of knowing for sure what the designers intentions were in just including Japanese audio: whether it was for cheapness or authenticity or both. And I do acknowledge that "both" is a distinct possibility. What I do know is that the decision to dub the first game in english made people unhappy because it made the game less believable.

And no matter which way you cut it, it is more logical for a game that takes place in Japan and has a realistic inclusion of elements of Japanese culture (even if the game as a whole is not ENTIRELY realistic) to have actual Japanese audio as opposed to English.

And as for the Kung Fu thing, yes Yahtzee did indeed make that mistake. But with all due respect so did you.

Oh well i still enjoyed this game

Good review (what's wrong with Visual Novels, Yahtzee?) :P
also, I wonder what he'll review next week/in 2 weeks
hmmmmmmmmmmm...
;)

Nurb:
I don't see why you had to have a disclaimer when commenting on a culture's seemingly odd interests doesn't imply you want horrible things to happen to them.

Better safe than sorry. You'd be surprised how easy you can unintentionally rub someone the wrong way with how you word things.

subtlefuge:
I would be interested in hearing a bit more about Deadly Premonition...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHMuwlchhmM

Deadly Premonition is incredible, it's quite like a mix between Silent Hill and Grand Theft Auto with brilliantly bizarre dialogue and storyline.

Ace IV:

A1:
That's quite frankly getting borderline racist.

Japanese isn't a race, it's a nationality. Calm down it's just a joke, bro.

Fair enough. A more precise word to use would be prejudiced. So let's instead use "borderline prejudiced". And I know that it's a joke. But even so it's still a joke that could easily offend someone. Even if a person doesn't actually mean any harm that doesn't excuse the use of offensive language. It's like if a non-African American person used a certain N word in a humorous and off-handed manner without meaning any harm. I think it's safe to say that any self respecting African American would still take offense, and understandably so.

I guess it's all a matter of respect and good manners. Which are arguably things that Yahtzee arguably often lacks. But even when your purpose is to be ill-mannered in a humorous and sarcastic way there are still certain lines that are best left alone.

Lordofthesuplex:

Nurb:
I don't see why you had to have a disclaimer when commenting on a culture's seemingly odd interests doesn't imply you want horrible things to happen to them.

Better safe than sorry. You'd be surprised how easy you can unintentionally rub someone the wrong way with how you word things.

Then where was his disclaimer for his gay joke(s)?

I may have to make Demon Alligator Charles Darwin my avatar.

Also, someone should make a video containing all of Yahtzee's analogies to explain how the gameplay and story SHOULD interact, followed by how the interact (or don't) in a particular game.

Because he's made a lot of them.

subtlefuge:
I would be interested in hearing a bit more about Deadly Premonition...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Zv0w6k1VQ4&list=SL There you are.

OT: I always get sandbox games, all excited to play them and have a fun times romp around, but then I end up bored within a week.

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