Zero Punctuation: Yakuza 4

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tryfan:
I loved this game.

That being said, I haven't skipped so much dialogue since Mass Effect 2. The Japanese dress-up game was weird as well.

The betrayals play like a bad soap opera. "Good" sop operas at least give you a breather in between plot wrenching back stabbing. This game gives them out like candy. One character even comes back from getting shot like a comic book character. He's perfectly fine, and can kick your ass if you aren't careful. A bit like Uncharted 2, actually. Drake gets shot, sleeps for 3 days, good to go!

Overall, great review. Sucks that Japan is shaking to bits. Also a pity that the next Yakuza game has been delayed indefinitely because it was set in earthquake stricken Tokyo. I wonder if the people who thought up the concept have bought lottery tickets yet, or at least gone to a pachinko parlour to turn a wheel to win stuffed animals.

Actually, a new release date for the next Yakuza game has been set for June 9. It's not all that surprising really. Yakuza is one of Japan's most popular video game franchises after all.

redbeta22:
Why are Japanese games full of weird reaction noises? Wah? Huh? I've always thought they were there because of the translation from Japanese to English, but if they're in the Japanese VO as well? Could somebody explain?

Even the english dub of Shenmue had "I see."

A1:

orangecharger:

A1:

It's not about "realism" as few if any video games are truly realistic, it's about authenticity. When a game takes place in Japan it's only logical that the people actually speak Japanese.

And Kung Fu is Chinese, not Japanese.

Wow thanks for that. So a game that's not realistic (as few games are) needs to be authentic? Well that makes sense, when it's actually a game and I am waggling thumb sticks. Surely the game would have been ruined to have the English option. Don't mistake authenticity for cheaping out on additional voice acting... Technically, if you want the experience to be authentic there shouldn't be subtitles... I don't believe subtitles pop under folks in Tokyo while they are talking. I guess you are taking exception to the my use of the word "realism" and instead prefer authenticity -- for me and for the purpose of what I was saying the two could be interchangeable.

An on the Kung Fu thing being Chinese. You best get on Yahtzee for that -- check out 01:22 of the video. That's what he called it.

Edit: http://thesaurus.com/browse/realism

Main Entry: realism
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: authenticity
Synonyms: naturalness, reality, truth, verisimilitude, verism, verity
Roget's 21st Century Thesaurus, Third Edition
Copyright © 2011 by the Philip Lief Group.
Cite This Source

About authenticity and realism, well that's fair enough. The two are similar.

But the thing is I never said that the game wasn't realistic, just not truly realistic. As in not 100% realistic. The thing is it's not just a matter of being realistic or not realistic. There are differing degrees of realism and authenticity. And striving for a degree of realism and authenticity in a game is certainly not a shameful thing as it can make the game more relatable and believable, or at the very least more interesting. And the Yakuza series is certainly big on authenticity. Yahtzee after all did comment on the large amount of Japanese culture found in Yakuza 4.

And there doesn't seem to be any way of knowing for sure what the designers intentions were in just including Japanese audio: whether it was for cheapness or authenticity or both. And I do acknowledge that "both" is a distinct possibility. What I do know is that the decision to dub the first game in english made people unhappy because it made the game less believable.

And no matter which way you cut it, it is more logical for a game that takes place in Japan and has a realistic inclusion of elements of Japanese culture (even if the game as a whole is not ENTIRELY realistic) to have actual Japanese audio as opposed to English.

And as for the Kung Fu thing, yes Yahtzee did indeed make that mistake. But with all due respect so did you.

I think you are splitting hairs on that, but what we are really trying to say is -- you like that it's Japanese and I don't. You don't have to justify why you like it any more than I have to justify why I don't. I was simply stating I would not buy that game for that reason -- but that I did not have it on my "to buy" list anyways.

With all due respect to you, why are you so set on telling me I made a mistake or that my opinion is wrong? In lieu of my opinion (I believe I have settled that case above)why do you keep harping on my use of Kung Fu in reference to a Japan-based game. I didn't make a mistake I was using the terminology from the video. Yahtzee said the 4 had amazing Kung Fu skills -- I made reference to that in my post. That's where I got it from -- it was not a "mistake" it was referential. I was not trying to offend your or any other person's cultural sensibilities. Having done ZERO research into each individual's fighting style (again not interested in the game) I figured going with what it was called in the video was a safe bet.

The intro just made it for me, brilliant

A1:

Actually, a new release date for the next Yakuza game has been set for June 9. It's not all that surprising really. Yakuza is one of Japan's most popular video game franchises after all.

Hm, perhaps they are assuming they would have cleaned up the bits of civilization by then...

subtlefuge:
I would be interested in hearing a bit more about Deadly Premonition...

no you don't, it has the right idea but the execution is absolutely terrible. That being said, i liked the Princess Maker reference as well :)

Heh, solid jokes overall. Weren't looking into this game, so the review haven't moved me either way though.

A1:

Ace IV:

A1:
That's quite frankly getting borderline racist.

Japanese isn't a race, it's a nationality. Calm down it's just a joke, bro.

Fair enough. A more precise word to use would be prejudiced. So let's instead use "borderline prejudiced". And I know that it's a joke. But even so it's still a joke that could easily offend someone. Even if a person doesn't actually mean any harm that doesn't excuse the use of offensive language. It's like if a non-African American person used a certain N word in a humorous and off-handed manner without meaning any harm. I think it's safe to say that any self respecting African American would still take offense, and understandably so.

I guess it's all a matter of respect and good manners. Which are arguably things that Yahtzee arguably often lacks. But even when your purpose is to be ill-mannered in a humorous and sarcastic way there are still certain lines that are best left alone.

How on earth would humorously stating that the Japanese are into some weird stuff - i.e. roughly the equivalent of "those cheeky Japanese" - be anywhere near crossing the exceedingly far off line for what satire and sarcasm can bear?

It's not like there aren't unusual offerings coming out of Japan (and into the West; I'm so getting that one for the sheer hilarity when it's released here) to warrant poking a bit of good-natured fun at, and there aren't any real malice behind it, nor hardly an exceedingly foolish assumption that this is what most Japanese people actually like.

Anyone offended by something behind which there is no malice need to toughen up anyway. Trying to censor or persecuting others based on one's own offence, when there's no actual discernible harm to what they say or do, is a far greater problem than entirely harmless jokes of varying taste.

The Charles Darwin image made me laugh.

I figured someone would want this as an avatar so i made it just incase!

image

While Yahtzee voicing the Japanese reactionary noises make me laugh, my favorite of his will be whenever he says "BWUH?"

Gets me every time =)

zombie711:
does anyone get a "God hand" vibe from this game.

PS what is a hostess club?

Yahtzee described it pretty well. It's like a whorehouse without the sex. You pretty much show up and pay for time with a companion to talk to or whatever. Think of it like what an escort service is in it's official capacity, except you go to them, instead of having them go somewhere with you to be seen.

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As far as the bit about the 14 year old Detective, I've asked similar questions about things like that. It's a popular theme in a lot of Japanese fiction, you see characters like that in "Persona" and anime like "Sukeban Deka". I'm not into anime as much as I once was, but the basic gist of it is that the laws and standards of morality are differant in Japan, and they are more likely to risk children in dangerous occupations. They have kids that work for the police that they use for spies and infiltrators for youth gangs, or to go into places where they will hopefully be dismissed as merely being harmless kids. It's sort of like the basic premise of "21 Jump Street" or "The Mod Squad" taken to an extreme in reality.

Of course what we're seeing in fiction is of course an exagerration for the purpose of entertainment. These kids are rarely trained, and don't typically have any kind of actual rank in the police department. A kid like that would not be a Detective, but might work for, and accept money from the office of, a police detective. Also apparently such service gives one a leg up in entering the police as a career later on.

One also has to understand the influance of American fantasy on the Japanese, and that has included things like "teen detective" fiction (not to be confused with child detective fiction, though you can include that too). It's apparently a little more popular over there still than it is in the US, which is where things like the Anime "Spiral" came from (even though it's years old).

Viewed in context the "14 year old teen cop who can fight successfully against adults" is something of a stock character, as it appeals to a specific demographic. The Japanese being kind of warped on some levels, I'd imagine part of the point was to have a character in their violent crime game that the youth demographic could identify with so they would buy it.

... and yet again, I will point out that I think people in the US, UK, Canada, and a lot of the first world, have to understand that we're unusual in the value we put on children according to most of the global population. Our idea of child protection and what constitutes a "normal childhood" is actually pretty unusual, throughout most of the second and third world (which greatly outnumbers the first world population wise) 12-14 is young enough to be handed a gun and sent fight for (or against) the local warlord, made to work hard labour, or put out on the streets as a prostitute to bring home money. A lot of people in the US who see kids like that as being in Jr. High, or just attending High School don't really "get it". Places like Japan that are caught somewhere between first world civilization and third world barbarity tend to be a bit more unusual. They have some of the same standards about children and education, but at the same time they not only have less problem with sexualizing them, but also less difficulty with putting them in danger. Here it would be unheard of for some kid to be routinely put into a position where they could get killed (they can't agree being a minor, and the parents would never allow it) so while a kid might wear a wire or be an informant once in a while, they aren't going to work for the police in an official capacity. Over in Japan, well, it's not viewed quite the same way. The idea of some kid getting cut up by drug dealers and used as fishing bait is still terrifying (as the thought of that happening to anyone) but considered a far more acceptable risk.

Long and kind of pointless, but maybe someone would find it interesting. This is simply how I learned things when I had more interest in Japan and asked about wierd stuff like this in connection to old Animes and stuff.

Another lovely episode, well done. Seems to me he actually kinda liked it. Good for him.
And of course, i have to mention his awesome "nani".
Seems like an interesting game, i suppose. Though i doubt I'll be playing it: what I've seen so far in the trailers wasn't something i wanted that bad.

funniest one in a while lol

I would absolutely play a game where the story and the gameplay combine to give you Pixies music.

orangecharger:

A1:

orangecharger:

Wow thanks for that. So a game that's not realistic (as few games are) needs to be authentic? Well that makes sense, when it's actually a game and I am waggling thumb sticks. Surely the game would have been ruined to have the English option. Don't mistake authenticity for cheaping out on additional voice acting... Technically, if you want the experience to be authentic there shouldn't be subtitles... I don't believe subtitles pop under folks in Tokyo while they are talking. I guess you are taking exception to the my use of the word "realism" and instead prefer authenticity -- for me and for the purpose of what I was saying the two could be interchangeable.

An on the Kung Fu thing being Chinese. You best get on Yahtzee for that -- check out 01:22 of the video. That's what he called it.

Edit: http://thesaurus.com/browse/realism

Main Entry: realism
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: authenticity
Synonyms: naturalness, reality, truth, verisimilitude, verism, verity
Roget's 21st Century Thesaurus, Third Edition
Copyright © 2011 by the Philip Lief Group.
Cite This Source

About authenticity and realism, well that's fair enough. The two are similar.

But the thing is I never said that the game wasn't realistic, just not truly realistic. As in not 100% realistic. The thing is it's not just a matter of being realistic or not realistic. There are differing degrees of realism and authenticity. And striving for a degree of realism and authenticity in a game is certainly not a shameful thing as it can make the game more relatable and believable, or at the very least more interesting. And the Yakuza series is certainly big on authenticity. Yahtzee after all did comment on the large amount of Japanese culture found in Yakuza 4.

And there doesn't seem to be any way of knowing for sure what the designers intentions were in just including Japanese audio: whether it was for cheapness or authenticity or both. And I do acknowledge that "both" is a distinct possibility. What I do know is that the decision to dub the first game in english made people unhappy because it made the game less believable.

And no matter which way you cut it, it is more logical for a game that takes place in Japan and has a realistic inclusion of elements of Japanese culture (even if the game as a whole is not ENTIRELY realistic) to have actual Japanese audio as opposed to English.

And as for the Kung Fu thing, yes Yahtzee did indeed make that mistake. But with all due respect so did you.

I think you are splitting hairs that buy what we are really trying to say is -- you like that it's Japanese and I don't. You don't have to justify why you like it any more than I have to justify why I don't. I was simply stating I would not buy that game for that reason -- but that I did not have it on my "to buy" list anyways.

With all due respect to you, why are you so set on telling me I made a mistake or that my opinion is wrong? In lieu of my opinion (I believe I have settled that case above)why do you keep harping on my use of Kung Fu in reference to a Japan-based game. I didn't make a mistake I was using the terminology from the video. Yahtzee said the 4 had amazing Kung Fu skills -- I made reference to that in my post. That's where I got it from -- it was not a "mistake" it was referential. I was not trying to offend your or any other person's cultural sensibilities. Having done ZERO research into each individual's fighting style (again not interested in the game) I figured going with what it was called in the video was a safe bet.

You misunderstand. Yes I do like the Japanese audio but I wasn't justifying that. And I never said anything about your opinion being wrong, nor was it ever my intention to argue such a thing. I was simply defending the decision to use Japanese audio. But even so, I understand that subtitles are not for everyone. And I respect that.

And yes, I admit that I made the mistake of assuming that you were making the same mistake as Yahtzee when you were really just referencing what he said. The reason I pointed the Kung Fu thing out in the first place was for purposes of cultural and political correctness. Although you could have made the fact that you were referencing Yahtzee clearer through the use quotation marks or something. Even so, I did make the wrongful assumption and it's still my fault for doing so. And for that I apologize.

Bureaucromancer:

jack583:
"constable blimy chips"
hate to say it, but i'd play that.

I was just going to ask if I was the only one who thought that sounded like an awesome game... Something along the lines of an open world game of the Rivers of London books maybe.

if you want it, make it!
we should find a way to make this game come alive!!!

Thank you for the precursor.

Why not just call the main character "Facepuncher." That's all he seems to do in that game...

A1:

orangecharger:

I think you are splitting hairs that buy what we are really trying to say is -- you like that it's Japanese and I don't. You don't have to justify why you like it any more than I have to justify why I don't. I was simply stating I would not buy that game for that reason -- but that I did not have it on my "to buy" list anyways.

With all due respect to you, why are you so set on telling me I made a mistake or that my opinion is wrong? In lieu of my opinion (I believe I have settled that case above)why do you keep harping on my use of Kung Fu in reference to a Japan-based game. I didn't make a mistake I was using the terminology from the video. Yahtzee said the 4 had amazing Kung Fu skills -- I made reference to that in my post. That's where I got it from -- it was not a "mistake" it was referential. I was not trying to offend your or any other person's cultural sensibilities. Having done ZERO research into each individual's fighting style (again not interested in the game) I figured going with what it was called in the video was a safe bet.

You misunderstand. Yes I do like the Japanese audio but I wasn't justifying that. And I never said anything about your opinion being wrong, nor was it ever my intention to argue such a thing. I was simply defending the decision to use Japanese audio. But even so, I understand that subtitles are not for everyone. And I respect that.

And yes, I admit that I made the mistake of assuming that you were making the same mistake as Yahtzee when you were really just referencing what he said. The reason I pointed the Kung Fu thing out in the first place was for purposes of cultural and political correctness. Although you could have made the fact that you were referencing Yahtzee clearer through the use quotation marks or something. Even so, I did make the wrongful assumption and it's still my fault for doing so. And for that I apologize.

Once again I misunderstand -- I am so stupid -- it truly must be awesome to be smarter than everyone. Tell me how does that feel? Thanks for continuing to point out my shortcomings. I have been reading some of your other posts and it seems like you spend a great deal of time making sure everyone is being politically correct and that they are made aware of the mistakes they've made in their posts -- making sure the turns of phrase they use meet your gold standard. I should have made it clearer that I wasn't being obtuse, or that my intention was not to offend Japanese or Chinese culture, and that I was aware of the cultural location of Kung Fu, and that I was only using the term Kung Fu for the particular martial arts in the game because Yahtzee had, and yada yada yada -- give me a break. Next time you see a post of mine keep your opinion to yourself and your PC police badge in your pocket. You making sure no one is offending anyone and helping me realize how I fail to understand the nuances of your discourse, is starting to offend me.

Nani? Visual novels without tits?

I feel this already good review would have been greatly improved by an allusion to Yakuza 2's example of punching a ghost tiger in the face.

A1:
But even so it's still a joke that could easily offend someone.

Sucks for them, then. That person should learn to lighten up, or stop watching Zero Punctuation.

Imperator_DK:
Heh, solid jokes overall. Weren't looking into this game, so the review haven't moved me either way though.

A1:

Ace IV:

Japanese isn't a race, it's a nationality. Calm down it's just a joke, bro.

Fair enough. A more precise word to use would be prejudiced. So let's instead use "borderline prejudiced". And I know that it's a joke. But even so it's still a joke that could easily offend someone. Even if a person doesn't actually mean any harm that doesn't excuse the use of offensive language. It's like if a non-African American person used a certain N word in a humorous and off-handed manner without meaning any harm. I think it's safe to say that any self respecting African American would still take offense, and understandably so.

I guess it's all a matter of respect and good manners. Which are arguably things that Yahtzee arguably often lacks. But even when your purpose is to be ill-mannered in a humorous and sarcastic way there are still certain lines that are best left alone.

How on earth would humorously stating that the Japanese are into some weird stuff - i.e. roughly the equivalent of "those cheeky Japanese" - be anywhere near crossing the exceedingly far off line for what satire and sarcasm can bear?

It's not like there aren't unusual offerings coming out of Japan (and into the West; I'm so getting that one for the sheer hilarity when it's released here) to warrant poking a bit of good-natured fun at, and there aren't any real malice behind it, nor hardly an exceedingly foolish assumption that this is what most Japanese people actually like.

Anyone offended by something behind which there is no malice need to toughen up anyway. Trying to censor or persecuting others based on one's own offence, when there's no actual discernible harm to what they say or do, is a far greater problem than entirely harmless jokes of varying taste.

It isn't about being harmful. It's about being offensive. And while a joke may be intended to be non-offensive that doesn't necessarily make it so. I think that well-meaning people have a responsibility to be careful about such things.

And yes, perhaps people who could plausibly be described as overly sensitive would do well to "toughen up". But I also think that's something that would probably best be done by going to therapy, or reading books about the subject, or even talking about it with friends and family and not by actually being offended.

Don't get me wrong. I believe in the right to free speech and I don't believe in taking away or infringing upon that right just because someone uses it in a questionable way. I believe the right way to respond would be to use that same right to free speech to respond in a defensive way or perhaps simply ignoring the offending stuff altogether. But even so as I said I also think that well-meaning people have a responsibility to do everything they can to avoid starting such an exchange in the first place.

orangecharger:

A1:

orangecharger:

I think you are splitting hairs that buy what we are really trying to say is -- you like that it's Japanese and I don't. You don't have to justify why you like it any more than I have to justify why I don't. I was simply stating I would not buy that game for that reason -- but that I did not have it on my "to buy" list anyways.

With all due respect to you, why are you so set on telling me I made a mistake or that my opinion is wrong? In lieu of my opinion (I believe I have settled that case above)why do you keep harping on my use of Kung Fu in reference to a Japan-based game. I didn't make a mistake I was using the terminology from the video. Yahtzee said the 4 had amazing Kung Fu skills -- I made reference to that in my post. That's where I got it from -- it was not a "mistake" it was referential. I was not trying to offend your or any other person's cultural sensibilities. Having done ZERO research into each individual's fighting style (again not interested in the game) I figured going with what it was called in the video was a safe bet.

You misunderstand. Yes I do like the Japanese audio but I wasn't justifying that. And I never said anything about your opinion being wrong, nor was it ever my intention to argue such a thing. I was simply defending the decision to use Japanese audio. But even so, I understand that subtitles are not for everyone. And I respect that.

And yes, I admit that I made the mistake of assuming that you were making the same mistake as Yahtzee when you were really just referencing what he said. The reason I pointed the Kung Fu thing out in the first place was for purposes of cultural and political correctness. Although you could have made the fact that you were referencing Yahtzee clearer through the use quotation marks or something. Even so, I did make the wrongful assumption and it's still my fault for doing so. And for that I apologize.

Once again I misunderstand -- I am so stupid -- it truly must be awesome to be smarter than everyone. Tell me how does that feel? Thanks for continuing to point out my shortcomings. I have been reading some of your other posts and it seems like you spend a great deal of time making sure everyone is being politically correct and that they are made aware of the mistakes they've made in their posts -- making sure the turns of phrase they use meet your gold standard. I should have made it clearer that I wasn't being obtuse, or that my intention was not to offend Japanese or Chinese culture, and that I was aware of the cultural location of Kung Fu, and that I was only using the term Kung Fu for the particular martial arts in the game because Yahtzee had, and yada yada yada -- give me a break. Next time you see a post of mine keep your opinion to yourself and your PC police badge in your pocket. You making sure no one is offending anyone and helping me realize how I fail to understand the nuances of your discourse, is starting to offend me.

I'm sorry that you feel that way. I never said that you were stupid nor did I ever mean such a thing. Even a smart person can make mistakes or misunderstand something. They are still human after all. But I understand that I may have unintentionally done something to offend you. If this is indeed the case then I'm very sorry about that.

tryfan:

A1:

Actually, a new release date for the next Yakuza game has been set for June 9. It's not all that surprising really. Yakuza is one of Japan's most popular video game franchises after all.

Hm, perhaps they are assuming they would have cleaned up the bits of civilization by then...

Not very likely. Sega also revealed that a portion of the sales is going to go to the Japan Red Cross. One really has to give them credit for that.

A1:

It isn't about being harmful. It's about being offensive. And while a joke may be intended to be non-offensive that doesn't necessarily make it so. I think that well-meaning people have a responsibility to be careful about such things.

And yes, perhaps people who could plausibly be described as overly sensitive would do well to "toughen up". But I also think that's something that would probably best be done by going to therapy, or reading books about the subject, or even talking about it with friends and family and not by actually being offended.

Don't get me wrong. I believe in the right to free speech and I don't believe in taking away or infringing upon that right just because someone uses it in a questionable way. I believe the right way to respond would be to use that same right to free speech to respond in a defensive way. But even so as I said I also think that well-meaning people have a responsibility to do everything they can to avoid starting such an exchange in the first place.

Still a long way from poor manners - to the extent a harmless joke regarding the more preposterous offerings from Japan even qualify as such - to prejudice.

You certainly have every right to be defensive in regard to such things, but anyone who disagree with taking such stance similarly have every right to criticise you for de facto condemning others for harmless words by doing so as well.

Guess it's ultimately a disagreement over what warrant condemnation ("discernible harm" is my absolute requirement), and what "well-meaning" people should endeavour to do; Not every sensibility should be grovelled before, lest society become intolerable for anyone but those knowing how to weigh their words on gold scales.

Another great game solely for the consoles T.T
Anyway great vids as always^^

Distorted Stu:
I figured someone would want this as an avatar so i made it just incase!

image

Oh! I was just thinking about that and the Alligator Charles Darwin one.
Thanks ever so much!

This sure was a great review. I got a lot of humor out of this, but to be truthful- the best part to me was the "Nuh? Duh? Nani?" with the "I could make that into a remix!" Haha! That was so true too, because people made a remix about Vegeta saying it's over 9000! in Dragon Ball Z.

Anyhow, this was certainly worth my time and I loved how you animated your Yahtzee figure smashing people in the faces with your foot. Also, I really hate cutscenes that last a long period of time like how Final Fantasy 13 did.. *sigh*. Thus, I must give you props and my personal thanks for your introduction about the Japanese for I too hope that they recover from that horrible event taking place. You have my respects sir.

LCP:

A1:

LCP:
Hehehe, but then again, Japanese ARE into some weird shit

Okay. There are at least two things about that statement that are problematic. First, it's too general. It insinuates that all Japanese people are "into some weird shit" or in other words they all have the same tastes. That's quite frankly getting borderline racist.

And second it's worth noting that there is probably a decent chance that many people in Japan think similar things about people who live in other countries, if you catch my drift.

My mistake, i meant some...

Although certain sections on certain numbered websites, specially one being the 4th letter of the alphabet is troublesome

It's no biggie. Everyone makes mistakes.

Yakuza 4?!? I didn't know there'd been a 2 or 3. Christ, didn't realise I was that out of the loop.

Rainforce:

Celtic_Kerr:
German Yahtzee? I think I died when heard that.

Fantastic episode as always!

Being german myself, I probably missed it, but what part are you reffering to/talking about?

when he said you can only fight "wisin ze dezigated areaaaaa!!!!"

Sorry if you took offence at the purposeful spelling mistakes for sake of german accent

emusega:
Again, another game series I never played. Am I wrong or were there surprisingly many positive points mentioned in favour of the game (aka like 10 %).

Oh and were the three predecessors good?

..if you want my advice, pick up Yakuza 3, look at the recap for Y1&2 that they've hidden in the game's intro. And then.. skip Yakuza 4 if you like it. The fighting in Y4 is better, and more advanced. A bit easier to control in some ways. But it's not as rewarding, and the amount of situational scripted events are fewer. The story in Y4 also is.. it's exactly like Yahtzee says. It starts out in an interesting way, has several very well-written segments once in a while. But it's strung together in curious ways that doesn't really do the game any favours. While the sidequests - apart from the Hostess club segments - isn't part of the story, not even indirectly. And don't, like the sub-quests in Y3, tell anything interesting about the city, or what's going on there.

That was my biggest problem with y4. In Y3, you had quests like these: a fishmonger was going to sell a rare fish to a customer. They'd placed the order, etc. But before they can pick it up and pay for it, another customer comes along and wants to pay twice the amount. So the fish-monger sells the fish for twice the sum. And then gets in trouble when the first customer comes along. So when you arrive, they're arguing. Then you can listen to the story, and decide to get involved in some way.

Then there are a few different ways to solve the quest. You can just pay for the fish-monger's mistake yourself (now he owes you and the mafia). You can try to get a new fish for the first customer (but they will want something on top of that as an apology). Maybe get the fish back from the first guy (they didn't want that fish specifically, but just something exotic - and they won't need you to beg - but it's going to be expensive). Etc. This kind of thing reminds you of the hostess-segment in y4, because it fits into the city and tells a story. But that's.. almost the only quest like that in y4. In y3, there are masses of quests like that around Okinawa and Kamuro-cho..

Y3 also has all the unbelievable quick-time events that they hide into the player-controlled segments. All of the boss-fights in y3 were completely insane. Not so much in y4.

One thing that.. kind of explains this is that Y4 is about as long as Y3 if you rush through it. But Y3 only features Kiryu for the entire game, while Y4 has four separate side-stories.. There are honest attempts here to make the sidequests universal, and so on. That you see them from different points of view, for example. But there were too few of those to justify making the effort.. they could have made separate intros to the events, and it would have taken about exactly as much writing..

So.. y4: graphics, fighting mechanics, combos, animation.
y3: story, screenplay, pacing, setting.

Lovely episode. Keen and athletic in the delivery, makes Yahtzee sound like a fit cheetah.

I get the feeling Yahtzee loves this game for all the wrong reasons in a very sick way, and he would be the only one twisted enough to admit it. Unfortunately he can't do that in ZP so this will be another unsolved mystery to go on the pile.

I'll probably go back and watch this at a later date, no-name games I've never heard of don't interest me.

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