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Cutting Room

Not all slasher flicks are created equal.

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That second paragraph or so was beautiful. Well done bob.

Peeping Tom is also notable in that it pretty much ended the career of an English director who may well have been as good as Hitchcock. Seriously, if it wasn't for Scorsese championing the Powell/Pressburger films they may well have disappeared into the ether.

And if you've never seen Powell's 'Stairway To Heaven'. See it now. You'll be amazed how many filmmakers paid tribute/ripped it off.

Psycho is more worth seeing that those movies.

Thrust:
Psycho is more worth seeing that those movies.

Absolutely. But Bob is talking about 'Slasher' movies, which are a sub-genre of horror/thriller.

Thrust:
Psycho is more worth seeing that those movies.

As are Halloween, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre and to a considerably lesser extent, the first three Friday the 13th movies. I think Bob was trying to highlight lesser known slasher films though. In that case, where's The Burning? That movie is so often overlooked, even if it is pretty well known today.

As for the list, I think the problem with lesser known slasher films is that they're lesser known for a reason. A lot of the movies on the list - Sleepaway Camp in particular - I would not class as decent slasher movies, nevermind horror movies. The 'big' line-up of Halloween, Chainsaw Massacre and 13th are normally put above those titles for a good reason - they're substantially better and have aged to a far more effective degree. Hell, Halloween and Chainsaw Massacre are still fantastically scary movies even amongst todays paint-the-wall-red variety of horror flicks.

In all honesty, the list comes off as more 'Here are some obscure movies I know about and you probably don't'. As genuine slashers, I could maybe put three of the movies on that list off best slashers if the list was about fifty items long. Sleepaway Camp and Slumber Party Massacre are mocked at this point for how awful they are and that's about the only reason they attain cult-status.

Also, as for There's Nothing Out There being as effective as Scream in the satire department... No. Just no. That movie was about as subtle as being stabbed in the face fifty times with a pitchfork before being strung up for all your friends to see.

Kasurami:
and to a considerably lesser extent, the first three Friday the 13th movies.

Ah, I'm gonna have to stop you there. 1 is excellent, but 2 pulls the sequel problem where it forgets that

I suppose if you can forgive that, they're good films - but it's a major problem. TBF, Nightmare on Elm Street works in a similar way.

The_root_of_all_evil:

Kasurami:
and to a considerably lesser extent, the first three Friday the 13th movies.

Ah, I'm gonna have to stop you there. 1 is excellent, but 2 pulls the sequel problem where it forgets that

I suppose if you can forgive that, they're good films - but it's a major problem. TBF, Nightmare on Elm Street works in a similar way.

I could forgive that. It would be kinda hard to build up a horror franchise based on -

I can understand why it bothers people, but at the same time having Jason as the killer in the second movie is the most logical step out of a massive pile of illogical ones. Still not perfect, but it works and gave us one of the most established horror figures out there. Well, at least in the third one it did.

Kasurami:

Thrust:
Psycho is more worth seeing that those movies.

As are Halloween, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre and to a considerably lesser extent, the first three Friday the 13th movies. I think Bob was trying to highlight lesser known slasher films though. In that case, where's The Burning? That movie is so often overlooked, even if it is pretty well known today.

As for the list, I think the problem with lesser known slasher films is that they're lesser known for a reason. A lot of the movies on the list - Sleepaway Camp in particular - I would not class as decent slasher movies, nevermind horror movies. The 'big' line-up of Halloween, Chainsaw Massacre and 13th are normally put above those titles for a good reason - they're substantially better and have aged to a far more effective degree. Hell, Halloween and Chainsaw Massacre are still fantastically scary movies even amongst todays paint-the-wall-red variety of horror flicks.

In all honesty, the list comes off as more 'Here are some obscure movies I know about and you probably don't'. As genuine slashers, I could maybe put three of the movies on that list off best slashers if the list was about fifty items long. Sleepaway Camp and Slumber Party Massacre are mocked at this point for how awful they are and that's about the only reason they attain cult-status.

Also, as for There's Nothing Out There being as effective as Scream in the satire department... No. Just no. That movie was about as subtle as being stab in the face fifty times with a pitchfork before being strung up for all your friends to see.

This pretty much goes well with his super rant on Escape to the Movies though. Basically a six minute rant about how Scream took away his special thin...and now he's provin it was his special thin by pointin out super obscure slasher movies that only he knows about.

On a related note...noticed that There's Nothing Out There came out in 1992...and here I thought the nineties universally sucked.

Edit - On the topic of the Jason movies...really the Nightmare on Elm Street movies suffered the same problem that the Jason ones did. They wanted a sequel but the story was fairly wrapped up as is so they just had to do some hand wavin voodoo magic to make it work. Personally...I dug it. Would I have rather seen a more uhh...realistic take on them? Sure (Though the Nightmare reboot was kinda...meh, so maybe I wouldn't), but without it I wouldn't have been able to be delighted by the incredibly weird and strange turns the two series took down the road.

I dunno but I always thought the purpose of slasher movies was that they had to be crap, so that people had an excuse to laugh about murder...

Bob,

Since you're on the subject of horror, last year I was waiting for your review of Let Me In to come. I was actually looking forward to a comparison between it and its source Let the Right One In.

It never came. Did you ever get around to seeing it? I was a huge fan of LTROI, and am as picky as fanboys get. I avoided LMI, believing I'd hate it, but finally saw it on a whim not too long ago and actually ended up loving it.

This is a pretty good list! Not only did you avoid the more well-known ones(Halloween, Elm Street, etc.), but I actually found a few that I still need to see. This should be a fun weekend.

The only one I saw was Peeping Tom, but that was awesome, so there you go.

Now I really want to see "There's Nothing Out There."

There is a disturbing lack of Dario Argento in that list, at the very least Profondo Rosso (Deep Red) should have a mention. If only for the Goblins soundtrack.

I expect Child's Play not to get a mention, because it is a pretty obvious classic slasher and Moviebob might be worried about children murdering other children just from hearing the title. Still, it has Brad Dourif, Brad fucking Dourif. I'd put him right up there with Warren Oates in terms of character actors. That is high praise indeed.

octafish:
There is a disturbing lack of Dario Argento in that list, at the very least Profondo Rosso (Deep Red) should have a mention. If only for the Goblins soundtrack.

I expect Child's Play not to get a mention, because it is a pretty obvious classic slasher and Moviebob might be worried about children murdering other children just from hearing the title. Still, it has Brad Dourif, Brad fucking Dourif. I'd put him right up there with Warren Oates in terms of character actors. That is high praise indeed.

fully agreed but heres a couple of american films that REALLY deserved a mention.

The prowler (aka rosemary's killer), and The burning... Both are total classics...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1yYijxuOX4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzPWiBV42og

It's been over a day and i just got the pun -.-

Just watched Eaten Alive about a week ago.It was called Death Trap over here

Man I really haven't seen enough horror flicks in my lifetime. The only horror movie I've seen in the last... decade or so, has been "The Crazies", and I only saw that because I got two free tickets.

And man, that movie didn't scare me. It was so unrealistic and cliched that even I could tell what was going to happen and the only horror movies I experience are vicariously. I get more chills from playing Fallout 3 than I did from watching that movie.

Batsamaritan:

fully agreed but heres a couple of american films that REALLY deserved a mention.

The prowler (aka rosemary's killer), and The burning... Both are total classics...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1yYijxuOX4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzPWiBV42og

That killer's shears in The Burning reminds me of the best part of Exorcist III:

Just came to chime in, Peeping Tom was one of the first and still the best. The killer POV is chilling.

Just seen Scream 4 tonight!

Totally pointless and years too late nontheless it wasn't all bad. The opening was terrible, the post modern self-awareness hit a point of total irritation and mainly I thought it was mediocre rather than flat out terrible.... The killers motivation rang true in todays climate however, I wont say what it was unless wholley satisfied i'm not ruining it for anyone though!

That said check out exorcist 3, really very good. And watch the burning, its one of miramaxes earliest movies!

The Youth Counselor:
Bob,

Since you're on the subject of horror, last year I was waiting for your review of Let Me In to come. I was actually looking forward to a comparison between it and its source Let the Right One In.

It never came. Did you ever get around to seeing it? I was a huge fan of LTROI, and am as picky as fanboys get. I avoided LMI, believing I'd hate it, but finally saw it on a whim not too long ago and actually ended up loving it.

Oh so you saw the Original too? I watched it a few years ago after LMI came out but I personally never saw the remake but I have a question about LTROI.

So, umm Bob, between "Scream 4" and "The Expendables" which movie do you hate more? :)

That said, decent list of relatively obscure horror films.

I do think your a little too rough on Scream as a series (haven't seen 4 though). It's not that you don't raise valid point, but I thought it was okay, the opening "kill scenes" were generally good works for the genere, and most importantly I think "Scream" probably did a lot to keep horror alive at a time when it was taking an unusually heavy beating.

On some levels it's like "Saw", bashed because it's "hip" to do so right now, and admittedly not a series you can say are really good movies, but they can be rather entertaining if you like that kind of thing to begin with, and just as importantly they ALSO did a lot to prop up the horror genere.

Now granted, you could say something like "Paranormal Activity" was a somewhat better work on a lot of levels, but it fills the same general catagory as the above, by being just "okay" once you really get the idea, and also keeping horror going. All of these film series are works that inspired tons of other work, some of which were superior to the film series itself.

That said, it has been a LONG time since there has been an "OMG, that was great" horror movie in my opinion.

not sure why bob harped on the how bad scre4m is
it cant be the stupidest/sillyest horror film in history
I am pretty sure that goes to this japanese gem
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBatYO_9Yg0&feature=related

Hey Bob, In a completely unrelated note, it looks like your prediction for Taylor Lautners career came true, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5k7ECYZ-ds B-action movie trailer if I ever saw one. Think you will review it?

The Youth Counselor:
Bob,

Since you're on the subject of horror, last year I was waiting for your review of Let Me In to come. I was actually looking forward to a comparison between it and its source Let the Right One In.

It never came. Did you ever get around to seeing it? I was a huge fan of LTROI, and am as picky as fanboys get. I avoided LMI, believing I'd hate it, but finally saw it on a whim not too long ago and actually ended up loving it.

This. C'mon MovieBob! You wouldn't be in with the subtitle-allergic masses, would you?

EDIT:

Lucane:

Oh so you saw the Original too? I watched it a few years ago after LMI came out but I personally never saw the remake but I have a question about LTROI.

In answer to your question:

So can we say the game "Alone in the Dark" was based on the original movie? Otherwise i'm surprise there wasn't a lawsuit for using the same name.

 

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