Jimquisition: Videogames Are Not Movies, Get Over It

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brownstudies:

Nimzar:
So, I don't think I'll be watching this video series any further. Not that I don't agree with his points but I didn't find the style or presentation very entertaining.

As much as this is entirely your choice - and I'm not so much addressing you as I'm addressing everyone who have made similar comments - I don't think it's very fair to dismiss anything like this on first watch. All shows grow and find their own styles, that's evident from watching early episodes of pretty much any show or webcomic. It may take a while for this one to find it's feet.

Apparently it tried to find its feet. On Destructoid. Maybe that failed, so now it's on The Escapist? Aren't they competing websites anyway? o.O

katsumoto03:
Because I needed another reason to hate Mondays...

I feel like I have to agree with you here. Yeah he had good points BUT they have been around since games started being somewhat taken seriously. I don't think the f-bombs helped at all with delivering his point and were just thrown in there for the hell of it.

If he gets some better questions and gets better at these shows I will watch it but if it stays the way it is now DEFINITELY a MISS.

Woodsey:
As in, you're putting him on a pedestal when he failed. I mean, his writing ability isn't anywhere near the top of what other games have.

Eh, I don't quite see how I said that, but fair enough. I intended it to be more of a jab at his ego, but whatever.

"Is it that hard to imagine that Heavy Rain, whether or not it's a good or bad, successful in it's vision or not, also does this?"

Should we hold up Daikatana as an awesome experience because that's what the creator's vision for it was?

I didn't say anything about the creator's vision, and I'm pretty sure I said "successful in its vision or not".

There are many things we can learn from Daikatana, and I'm thankful of its existence based on how epically its marketing failed. Something we can take from anything.

GloatingSwine:
Quite frankly, yes. And I don't mean that all games should strive to be open world complete freedom types, but that games should not compromise the fact that they are games to try and emulate films. Which, shock motherfucking horror, was the point of this video.

Eh, this video wasn't much to my liking. It was rambly, didn't have a single main point among the ramble (as I said earlier, he said "stop giving a fuck what Ebert says" when that is a completely different topic (games as art)), and pretty unprofessional. But anyway...

I get what you're saying, and I do agree with it to a point. But I also think that games should experiment and innovate in areas where we wouldn't expect them. Whether that's trying to emulate movies in certain areas, or imposing various rhetorical devices in their scripts (and somehow into the environment), I really don't care. It's just one aspect of many.

There are other, better ways to blend narrative into games that do not sacrifice interactivity. The interrupt actions in Mass Effect 2, for instance, allow you to control cutscenes to better impose your version of Shepard onto the universe. The scene in Metal Gear Solid where Gray Fox is trapped against a wall by Metal Gear and although you can line up a shot Snake refuses to fire and kill Gray Fox along with Liquid, but you still have to pull the trigger.

And those are great examples of interactivity and narrative. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for fusing narrative and interactivity (I think Shadow of the Collosus does it phenomenally well, there's a lot of stuff in the environment that you can easily overlook), I just don't think it must be the only way.

That kind of interactivity with a narrative is what games can do that other media can't, and they do it without sacrificing the rest of the game.

And it's still one aspect of it. It's just one side of a spectrum. At least that's how I see it.

If you pare the interaction down to the absolute minimum as in Heavy Rain and it's predecessors in the interactive movie sphere (because no, it's not innovative, the old Blade Runner game did branching narrative and was still more of a game. This stuff has been done before, it didn't catch on because it turns out it's not very good), you've lost all of what makes games worthwhile and interesting, and all you've done is made a crap movie with multiple endings.

Yes Heavy Rain is innovative, its branching narrative is much more extensive than the Blade Runner game I'm sure.

And anyway, I think we're focusing a bit too specifically on the narrative aspect of it. Other aspects of Heavy Rain, like the darker themes (fatherhood, how far you'd go to save someone you love, drugs, etc...) show off what topics games can touch upon. It doesn't go too deep into those subjects, but I think it does them well enough (key word: well enough, not good, just okay). Whether it was successful in its message(s) to you or not I don't think matters as it still touches on those issues and it because of it, I suppose.

I dunno, I just think we can learn from anything, good or bad. Personally, I enjoyed Heavy Rain, though David Cage and his enormous ego can be a handful to say the least.

There's another reason why I'm glad Heavy Rain exists; If it didn't, many people wouldn't be motivated to prove how shit it is and one up Cage :D

brah you need to get a green screen up in that background, maybe put some graphics behind you... just a suggestion, but okay show for what it seems

already better than moviebob.

so... yeah... about that.

Videogames aren't movies. Cool, good point. So why does it sound like you're having an argument with a school yard chum rather than an intellectual discussion with a peer?

Not to mention he sounded winded from his rant. If you've got a lot to say, you ought to make sure you've got the lungs to say it first. If you can't say it, then write it.

Overall impression: decent points but needs work on delivery. Needs polishing.

Bit of needless swearing there, I'm not against a fuck or shit here and there, but after a while that just gets grating. Otherwise, just fine.

Oh, and lose the damn sunglasses.. At least Yahtzee has some class with his fedora.

It's like The Escapist has started contradicting themselves.. "Let's bring in Extra Creditz for intellectual discussion on video games, with Yahtzee on the other side of the fence with hilarious, bitter reviews of video games... Now let's bring some guy from another website with a known controversial history (I've honestly never heard of him and wish I didn't now) and let him basically abuse EVERYTHING about the other shows."

Extra Creditz completely loses their following thanks to the brutal insanity of this guy.. As Yahtzee prepares his epic pimp-slap to show him who the REAL British guy on The Escapist is.

CAN YA STEP TO THIS, BRO?

I'm looking forward to seeing his rants on things I hate, but god help him if he hates what I like. >.>

While I like new things, there 2 things I want from this movie if I'm gonna watch it regularly:

1- At one point Jim says "movies" in stead of "games" or something. Around halfway mark. The lack of polish here kind've killed it for me. Also the fact that a small fast-cut (like how Youtubers cut to the next sentence quickly) could've actually fixed it without much work.

2- I think you should ALWAYS use moving media when you're making a reference mid-video, because the MS-paint images also ruined the experience for me. ALTHOUGH the credits image did have it's charm!

Because when I watch these videos, my head starts to kill itself if it sees something that I, myself could've made. Then I start thinking about why I wasn't asked to get paid to do this and yadda yadda.

Other than that, I'll see you next week

I started my career in Hollywood and transitioned into the industry of games, I'll agree video games are not movies and movies are not video games.

Then after that first point, I couldn't even suffer through half the verbal stupidity that followed.

Great, this piece of shit is on the Escapist now, and they have his dumb fucking face on the surrounding EVERY video on this site. From the extremely batshit crazy moderators, the idiotic fanboys, and now this. Im deleting my account.

That music in the background while he is talking has to go. I thought it was something else on my computer for a minute and couldn't figure it out. It's just loud enough to be annoyingly distracting and I couldn't make it through the whole video because of it, I'm sorry.

From what I did see though, it shows promise, but there needs to be something other than him standing there talking with a few cartoony pop-ups. If that changed later in the video I apologize, but like I said I couldn't get through it with the music and him at the same time.

wow i actually gotta make my first post to say this, that was just flat out annoying. At least hearing Jesters of the Moon made me smile for a second.

P.S. Can you go back to making ENN instead of promoting this garbage?

Although he makes good points, I don't really like this new series. A british guy... Rambling on and on... About certain video games... And certain traits that aren't very good in video games... Who doesn't really like movies.

How does the Escapist come up with these ideas?

In all seriousness, keep trying. It took extra credits a few episodes to really net me.

I get the feeling that this guy is just more of the same, with less. I'd much rather listen to Moviebob rant, because he isn't self-centered enough to force me to look at his face the whole time. And I like Yahtzee not only because of his accent and love for vulgarity, but for the interesting graphics he uses to portray his ideas. This Jim person doesn't have much to look at, and I feel that he suffers from it.

Oh, I should also state that I DID listen and DO understand what Jim's saying.

But it's not about making games into movies at all. It's the "popularity" aspect. Movies are popular, games are kinda niche.

What people are TRYING to say (at least the way I see it..) is they wish games were AS POPULAR as movies. The hype, the big premiere, etc. Movies are glorified with big red carpet premieres, etc, and games aren't. It's one thing I LIKE about Jimmy Fallon's Late Night. He treats game designers as if they're actors or other famous people. He WANTS to promote their games on his show. Uncharted 3 was on there, the 3DS, Gears of War 3.. Sadly, he's the only one pushing the medium forward to common people.

Like.. The last game my step-dad played was Pong as a kid. It just doesn't interest him. My mother is doing university units related to Games Design/Programming and she plays quite a few games.

Frizzle:
That music in the background while he is talking has to go. I thought it was something else on my computer for a minute and couldn't figure it out. It's just loud enough to be annoyingly distracting and I couldn't make it through the whole video because of it, I'm sorry.

From what I did see though, it shows promise, but there needs to be something other than him standing there talking with a few cartoony pop-ups. If that changed later in the video I apologize, but like I said I couldn't get through it with the music and him at the same time.

Are you kidding? That was the ONLY good part of the video. Final Fantasy IX's Jesters of the Moon is fantastic and Nobuo Uematsu is GOD. >.<

Borigrad:
wow i actually gotta make my first post to say this, that was just flat out annoying. At least hearing Jesters of the Moon made me smile for a second.

P.S. Can you go back to making ENN instead of promoting this garbage?

Yes, yes, and again yes. Wait... Also, yes. Welcome to insanity~ Thanks for reminding me what the theme was called too, I just said Zorn & Thorn's theme..

And yes! MOAR ENN!! >.<

Wow, I just watched some overweight tosser recite "movies are not videogames" for more than five minutes and insult people who try and create new and intriguing experiences for the medium. This would have been bearable if he was humorous or had a properly structured argument about the subject matter - which is an area with many point in favour for his position - rather than think he's somehow more important than everyone else and thus people should listen to him.

Not watching again this twat again, and I'd reccomend you find something that isn't painful to replace this fuck with.

And here I thought he was going to bitch about cinematics in games instead of games trying to emulate a movie experience.

Pleasantly surprised he actually made a good point. Also, kudos for the FF IX music.

WarCorrespondent:
While I like new things, there 2 things I want from this movie if I'm gonna watch it regularly:

1- At one point Jim says "movies" in stead of "games" or something. Around halfway mark. The lack of polish here kind've killed it for me. Also the fact that a small fast-cut (like how Youtubers cut to the next sentence quickly) could've actually fixed it without much work.

2- I think you should ALWAYS use moving media when you're making a reference mid-video, because the MS-paint images also ruined the experience for me. ALTHOUGH the credits image did have it's charm!

Because when I watch these videos, my head starts to kill itself if it sees something that I, myself could've made. Then I start thinking about why I wasn't asked to get paid to do this and yadda yadda.

Other than that, I'll see you next week

If I remember correctly, all of the previous ones on destructoid, and I assume this one, are completely unscripted, and done in one take.

A.) Did he say anything or was it just some unfocussed rambling with the word "fucking" thrown about numerous times.

B.) Nothing in this video that couldn't have been said as well or better with a written article.

C.) Seriously. Get some production values. Lose the handheld mic, lose the bland piss-stain coloured background and get some lighting.

D.) 5:40 to say, literally, "Video games are not movies and vice versa. Get over it." That was literally (yeah, I used it twice) the entire content of the video.

Could be a good column. But who is his audience? It can't be gamers, no gamer really compares the two. It is directed towards developers? And if so, do any of them ever watch anything from anywhere?!? I mean, they seem to do whatever it is they want to do, no matter how fuckin' idiotic everyone says it is.

I like what he says but i dont like him. I dont give a flying two dollar fuck who you are, if you wear aviators (in fact any type of sunglasses) indoors, you are a prick. A big, daft, floppy prick with greasy pubes. Not to mention that fucking suit. He's having a go at films and games being different, yet he is a video game "commentator" who is wearing something that would fit in in a hollywood film. I know that previous sentence didn't make sense, but this guy needs that mic shoved so far up his ass, you could hear his heart beat.

MattAn24:

Frizzle:
That music in the background while he is talking has to go. I thought it was something else on my computer for a minute and couldn't figure it out. It's just loud enough to be annoyingly distracting and I couldn't make it through the whole video because of it, I'm sorry.

From what I did see though, it shows promise, but there needs to be something other than him standing there talking with a few cartoony pop-ups. If that changed later in the video I apologize, but like I said I couldn't get through it with the music and him at the same time.

Are you kidding? That was the ONLY good part of the video. Final Fantasy IX's Jesters of the Moon is fantastic and Nobuo Uematsu is GOD. >.<

I honestly don't know what you just said, but I think you're talking about the music. I didn't say I wasn't a fan of the music, but the combination of music and him talking at the same time was too distracting and annoying. I didn't actually listen to the song so it may very well be an amazing one :D

And just so I'm clear: I won't be watching any future videos of this guy.

Prop3r Badman:
You guys really are a bunch of insular Yahtzee circle jerk offs as i heard. Have you guys ever been on another website?

Jim Sterling is a very opinionated individual, and whilst his presentation might be raw his opinions are always valid.

But THIS opinion has been done better already on this site. He needs to get better topics and fix his delivery where he doesn't come off as a complete douche. As I had stated in my original response this is a miss unless he gets better topics and fixes his delivery his random f-bombs detract from him being able to be taken seriously.

Watch Jim Sterling miss the point every monday. Only at The Escapist.

Do we really need ANOTHER, pointlessly angry, low production value, screaming and hollering videogame critic, standing in the middle of the frame in a poorly lit room, ranting a singular, rehashed opinion for 5 straight minutes?

From begining to end, that was just so very unpleasent. I won't be watching again.

I made it 2mins. never watch again. is he getting paid for this? seriously thinking about making a video and sending it in if thats my competition.

Absimilliard:

Venereus:

oneshotfinchy:
Christ, some of you won't even give Jim a second chance. Maybe Jim should have had blond hair, a short skirt and a top 5 list to gain your instant approval.
(not hating on Lisa Foiles, just trying to make a point)

You forgot Poland! And the boobs, and the fact that she's a blonde no longer.

... and the fact that her videos are good.
(By which I mean that they're fun, occasionally innovative, and quite often give me tips about games I didn't know about...)

I just tried to stick to the objective facts (and now I realize I didn't correct him on the short skirt - wich is a lie). I enjoy her videos too, hopefully for the right reasons...

Welcome to the Escapist, I'll be following this show.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah, you cant be serious!

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