302: Who Cares About Mario?

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Tempest13:
I won't make any jabs about target audiences or appearances or whatever nintendo is deciding for themselves, I'm just going to say this: Bring back about half the franchises you dropped off the map, nintendo. Starfox, F-Zero, Custom Robo, all begging for console sequels. >_> short rant over

I agree, all of those games are desperately in need of attention. I loved Custom Robo for the GC and Star Fox not having a sequel is just wrong.

Edit: In regards to Star Fox, I meant this generation.

I sold my Nintendo Wii because all the console had was 7-8 games I'd want. The rest was soo meh, the world might implode in upon itself if they got any more 'meh'.

WorldCritic:
Ah Nintendo. We have such a long history, NES: awesome, SNES: one of the best consoles ever, N64: awesome, Gamecube: pretty good, Wii: um... at least you tried?

That's where you're mistaken. The N64 & Gamecube damaged Nintendo substantially. How? By enabling Sony & Microsoft a foothold in the gaming industry.

The N64 (and gen) did more damage than anything. Between sticking with cartridges, to the controller (WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?!) all the way to how Nintendo strong-armed third party developers.

Asuka Soryu:
I sold my Nintendo Wii because all the console had was 7-8 games I'd want. The rest was soo meh, the world might implode in upon itself if they got any more 'meh'.

The wii has monster hunter 3. It doesn't really need anything else.

no really?

honestly tho, I stopped caring when the Wii came out...actually about the same time I decided I wanted to grow up some

tho I do miss me some LoZ Wind Waker tho heh

joebear15:
but...IT PRINTS MONEY

miss me the days when Machinima would do those standoffs where Nintendo "always wins" with that one bit lol

IMO the DS is a much stronger system than the Wii. It has a much more diverse and lasting range of games it can feature, and it has some really strong series like Phoenix Wright and Professor Layton, though I have a feeling that neither series appeals to kids (because obviously, Layton feels like homework >.> Kids are stupid).

Chibz:

WorldCritic:
Ah Nintendo. We have such a long history, NES: awesome, SNES: one of the best consoles ever, N64: awesome, Gamecube: pretty good, Wii: um... at least you tried?

That's where you're mistaken. The N64 & Gamecube damaged Nintendo substantially. How? By enabling Sony & Microsoft a foothold in the gaming industry.

The N64 (and gen) did more damage than anything. Between sticking with cartridges, to the controller (WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?!) all the way to how Nintendo strong-armed third party developers.

Asuka Soryu:
I sold my Nintendo Wii because all the console had was 7-8 games I'd want. The rest was soo meh, the world might implode in upon itself if they got any more 'meh'.

The wii has monster hunter 3. It doesn't really need anything else.

Simply stating my opinions on each of the consoles, so in that sense, I'm not mistaken even if you are right about what they did to Nintendo.

Yeah it's true. And it's sad. I really don't get the iPhone app craze either. These apps and mini-games don't provide (to me at least) that much entertainment in the long run as a handheld game from Nintendo does. After playing Angry Birds for about 15 minutes I thought, "That was a little fun, but is this the extent of it? Oh holiday themes? Yeah..........I'll go back to my DS now." And as egotistical as it sounded, I had to agree with Iwata. Those devices are all about the number of games, not the value of them.

This made me quite sad. I think insecurity is a major cause of these views on Nintendo, (to be ashamed to be a Mario/Metroid/Pokemon/Zelda/DK/Kirby fan.....how dreadful) and I take issue with the statement that the Iphone has better games than the DS. I think it's nothing short of a tragedy that kids are growing up on CoD instead of Mario 3.....and I didn't even play through Mario 3 until about 4 years ago. All we can do is educate- teach kids that a game is good due to creative mechanics, level design, stories, sights, and sounds, and not headshotz, hooker hit-and-runs, polygon counts, or Skinner box methods.

beema:

Also, can you punch your brother/sister in the face for naming their kid Caleb?

It's not so much can as you must, it is the only way they will learn.

In my job I deal a lot with peoples personal records and the amount of kids I feel compulsed to give a dead arm to, and following in your example punch the parent/s in the face for being so cruel. I'm looking at you Cristal-Sherise and your fucking parents.

Who cares about Mario?

Certainly not me. I mean, sure. I had a lot of fun with first Super Mario Bros when I was a little brat, but since then I'm so sick of all those Mario games (and Zelda. Definitely Zelda. I played at least 4 Zelda games, and I still don't get the appeal of any of them) released year after years... I just want them to be all forgotten, so we can move one to the new things. Enough is enough.

I think this is only relevant to kids who have parents themsleves that aren't gamers because my dad wanted to introduce my younger brother to gaming (he was nearly five at the time) so he went and got the N64 out of the cupboard and introduced him in to Banjo Kazooie shortly after this we learnt that he gets just as mad when he games as the rest of us.

I feel nostalgic for Nintendo. I remember playing my very first game of Mario on the Gameboy Colour and being hooked. But that time has passed, much like Atari's time is over. I feel that Nintendo has now become a game for children, with the release of the PS3 and Xbox. Their attempt in making a console has failed imo. Yes, it sold a LARGE number, but I think that was solely due to their marketing. The games of Nintendo now lack the quality that Sony and Microsoft can offer with their PS3s and Xbox 360s, respectively.

I grew up with the old NES console myself as my introduction to gaming and never had a SNES because it probably looked like the exact same thing to my parents. I was fine with that and all but then Nintendo ruined it for me.

They released the N64.

Things where fine at first with Super Mario 64 and Golden Eye but then the problems started. The controllers where a piece of crap because the analogue seemed prone to breaking. There was also that rubbish that some games needed a memory pack to save the game. But what really killed it was the The 4 MB memory Expansion Pak. There was no way I could justify to my mom that I needed a new piece of hardware to play the new N64 games. I couldn't really justify the price either to myself so I fell out with N64 and started playing PC-games instead.

Now Sony on the other hands did release a console with less strings attached, more exciting games, more RPG's and even some horror genera games. So I ended up buying an old PS1 from a friend with a huge pile of bootleg games he had. Then gaming started getting really good when I turned 18 and got myself a PS2 and consider it to be the best console I had the pleasure to play on. The current generation is fine but quality is really lacking in the RPG department.

I didn't abandon Nintendo all together though. I was very pleased with the GBA generation of game sand still like it better then the clunky NDS.

But yeah, Nintendo worn out it's welcome with me already in the 90's. As for Mario, he lost his novelty value to me in the 90's as well.

Fun article.. interesting to hear what younger players think of when they think of Nintendo.

You can't help but wonder, with the rumors of Nintendo's next system swirling about, if maybe Nintendo, having now gained entry into millions of homes worldwide, is poised to recapture an enlarged "core" market with their next generation.

tigermilk:

It's not so much can as you must, it is the only way they will learn.

In my job I deal a lot with peoples personal records and the amount of kids I feel compulsed to give a dead arm to, and following in your example punch the parent/s in the face for being so cruel. I'm looking at you Cristal-Sherise and your fucking parents.

lol
oh man, that's a bad one

This is probably for the best. This means Nintendo can't just sell something purely off of nostalgia and hope it sells. Was I really the only one dissapointed by the New Super Mario bros. Wii?

I have this theory that kids whose first video games are Nintendo games naturally forget about it as they get older... but then, once they hit adulthood and are no longer terrified of being seen as "childish," they get nostalgic for retro games, and start checking them out again.

So no, I wouldn't worry, Caleb has just started that phase a little early.

I care. I like Nintendo. They make games I like.

We're in an age of disposable media, shortening attention spans, and increased social connectedness. All of this together leads to a trend of hopping from game to game and usually lingering more upon those which peers deem acceptable, not just to avoid embarrassment but to ensure an audience exists to play the game with.

People who aren't ashamed to enjoy things their age peers are supposedly not supposed to like are either dwindling in number or influence.

Grabbin Keelz:
This is probably for the best. This means Nintendo can't just sell something purely off of nostalgia and hope it sells. Was I really the only one dissapointed by the New Super Mario bros. Wii?

I was a little disappointed with New Super Mario Bros., but enjoyed New Super Mario Bros. Wii much more (despite some people I've communicated with overrating its difficulty).

I grew up on good ole tandy back in the 80s. I always had a pc, the first console I owned was a 360.

Yeah, I never got much play out of Mario titles, without the nostalgia, there is very little reason to play those games.

NaramSuen:
I can't blame these kids for not having any brand loyalty. My loyalty to Nintendo was betrayed by their complete and utter lack of decent RPGs for the N64. Quest 64 was utter garbage and Paper Mario came out 5 years after the console was released. And yes, I am still a little bitter.

Bull crap! Magaical Starsign,The Naruto:Path of the Ninja games,Attack of the Saiyans, DQ4,there was a frakking triquel to Golden Sun for the DS for crying out loud!

GamerMage:

NaramSuen:
I can't blame these kids for not having any brand loyalty. My loyalty to Nintendo was betrayed by their complete and utter lack of decent RPGs for the N64. Quest 64 was utter garbage and Paper Mario came out 5 years after the console was released. And yes, I am still a little bitter.

Bull crap! Magaical Starsign,The Naruto:Path of the Ninja games,Attack of the Saiyans, DQ4,there was a frakking triquel to Golden Sun for the DS for crying out loud!

Unless I am mistaken, all of these games are on the DS. I said that my loyalty to Nintendo was betrayed by the fact that the N64 had no decent RPGs. Pointing out RPGs on the DS does not erase my displeasure at the lack of RPGs for the N64.

NaramSuen:

GamerMage:

NaramSuen:
I can't blame these kids for not having any brand loyalty. My loyalty to Nintendo was betrayed by their complete and utter lack of decent RPGs for the N64. Quest 64 was utter garbage and Paper Mario came out 5 years after the console was released. And yes, I am still a little bitter.

Bull crap! Magaical Starsign,The Naruto:Path of the Ninja games,Attack of the Saiyans, DQ4,there was a frakking triquel to Golden Sun for the DS for crying out loud!

Unless I am mistaken, all of these games are on the DS. I said that my loyalty to Nintendo was betrayed by the fact that the N64 had no decent RPGs. Pointing out RPGs on the DS does not erase my displeasure at the lack of RPGs for the N64.

Why N64?

GamerMage:

Why N64?

The original article was about brand loyalty and my point was that my loyalty to the Nintendo brand ended when they failed to produce any decent RPGs for the N64. Since then, I have never purchased a Nintendo console. I was given a Wii, but it is collecting dust and has seen significantly less of my gaming time than my PSP. I am sure that the DS has a lot of great RPGs and I might even play them some day, but none of those purchases will be new and represent lost revenue to Nintendo. They made it clear that they didn't want my money, so it went somewhere else.

NaramSuen:

GamerMage:

Why N64?

The original article was about brand loyalty and my point was that my loyalty to the Nintendo brand ended when they failed to produce any decent RPGs for the N64. Since then, I have never purchased a Nintendo console. I was given a Wii, but it is collecting dust and has seen significantly less of my gaming time than my PSP. I am sure that the DS has a lot of great RPGs and I might even play them some day, but none of those purchases will be new and represent lost revenue to Nintendo. They made it clear that they didn't want my money, so it went somewhere else.

So just because of a CONSOLE that didn't offer many RPGs (which is why I enjoyed my PS1 so much at the time. And my main reasoning for getting the DS at the time was hardware aside,it was the games,not to mention the RPGs there available at the time. Ah,Mario & Luigi. But maybe that's the thing. You gave up and didn't get the DS,But many did, and were rewarded for it. I mean this not as a slight against you(You've got an avatar that by the looks of it,comes from a Persona game,so it at least you have good taste),but only as a means of letting you know that there ARE good RPGs on recent Nintendo products out there. Speaking of,You didn't get the Game Cube,did you? (Tales Of Symphonia,the Poke`mon Colossium games,etc.)

I used to have nothing against Mario or Mac products, but ever since 2007, their fanboys have been constantly shoving their digital Lord & Saviors down my throat & now I have a disdain for both franchises. I managed to get over the same problem with World of Warcraft a year or 2 ago, but Mario is still hounding me on every corner of the internet.

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