How to Read Movie Criticism

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Jenx:

Boba Frag:

Would you read his reviews?

You damn right I would! You read some of the nonsense he's written? It's comedy gold!

As for the whole debate started from my opinion - I do agree that to be a good critic you need to be well versed and educated in whatever it is you're criticizing. I just think practical knowledge is a required part of that education.

As for MovieBob specifically, I'm afraid I wasn't quite clear in my wording. I wasn't referring to Bob himself in that, I just referred to him since it's his article I'm replying too. It's kind of a bothersome habit I have when I discuss something with someone.
(But for my money, Bob is as qualified as you need to be - he knows his stuff AND, if that quip at the end of it is true, he has also actually made a few movies so he knows what's it's like down on the battlefield, so to speak.)

Heh, haven't had that pleasure actually.. (Thankfully!)

But I agree, some experience in the field of whatever is being analysed is never a bad thing, but at the end of the day I don't think it's as important as being aware of what you're experiencing when you're watching a film, what response it illicits in you but also why.
It's a subjective thing completely.

That said, I think a lot of film critics make at least some effort to go to a set or chinwag with a director or, if they're really trying, the writers and the crew, not just The Talent.
I was an extra in a small low budget made my amateur film makers, and it was great fun and really informative. Seeing an entire morning's shooting boiled into just 3 minutes is quite the experience.
At the same time, it coloured my viewing of the film. Not negatively, but I think I was less able to enjoy it as a first time experience because I kept waiting for my bits :P
Yeah, I'm an egotist. But I think everyone is :P

The same can't be said of books, though. It's like saying only novelists can review novelists.
We'd be out of decent books in a month, I guarantee it, because it's all down to personal tastes, and while a critic has to know what they're talking about, ultimately, he has to be as outside the process as much as the audience is when they sit down in their seat and the house lights go down.

I thought people liked Spawn, Witchblade, The Darkness, and Savage Dragon

I mean Image Comic did release some stuff that was well received

UltraHammer:

teknoarcanist:
re objectivity:
I think our dear friend Ebert sums it up again.
For purposes of reference, I'll replace a movie he's talking about with one this community might be a little more familiar with:
"If you say you dislike "The Godfather" or "Shawshank," I can't say you're wrong. The one thing you can never be wrong about is your own opinion. It's when you start giving your reasons that you lay yourself open. Many years ago there was a critic in Chicago who said [Transformers 2] was a better film than "The Godfather." "Phil," I told him, "film criticism is a matter of subjective opinion. Only rarely does it stray into objective fact. When you said [Transformers 2] was better than 'The Godfather,' that was an error of objective fact."

Since when did 2009 count as 'many years ago'?

I replaced the movie title to make the quote more relevant to The Escapist. Also said so :P

The original movie he was talking about was 'The Valachi Papers'. I've never heard of it -- have you?

teknoarcanist:

UltraHammer:

teknoarcanist:
re objectivity:
I think our dear friend Ebert sums it up again.
For purposes of reference, I'll replace a movie he's talking about with one this community might be a little more familiar with:
"If you say you dislike "The Godfather" or "Shawshank," I can't say you're wrong. The one thing you can never be wrong about is your own opinion. It's when you start giving your reasons that you lay yourself open. Many years ago there was a critic in Chicago who said [Transformers 2] was a better film than "The Godfather." "Phil," I told him, "film criticism is a matter of subjective opinion. Only rarely does it stray into objective fact. When you said [Transformers 2] was better than 'The Godfather,' that was an error of objective fact."

Since when did 2009 count as 'many years ago'?

I replaced the movie title to make the quote more relevant to The Escapist. Also said so :P

The original movie he was talking about was 'The Valachi Papers'. I've never heard of it -- have you?

No, but it sounds foreign. Which automatically makes it good!

I guess that makes sense, but after watching every video you've put up in all of your series (including Game Over Thinker and your Moviebob episodes on youtube) I feel that it's safe to say that we share the same opinion on so many things that if you like a movie, I'll probably like it to, and if you hate it, I should probably stay away. It seems to have helped so far,

Finding a critic I trust is definitely a nice thing to have, that's why I watch your show Bob. I've found we have several similar interests and opinions. Though there are some things we undoubtedly disagree on, I mostly like to hear your opinions because we have a lot of similarities but are different as well. It's like a different perspective from the same background framework. It's refreshing. That said, I have never made a decision to go or not to go to a film because of what you or any other critic have said. :)

With the slight exception of Splice which I made sure to see in theaters due to your review. Though I had wanted to see it from seeing the first trailer.

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