Jimquisition: Solving the Sexism Situation

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Gotta say, overall the video was fine. One-note, a little heavy on quasi-naked dudes (equality, remember?), but fine. I have to say that the calls for a content disclaimer on this one really does highlight the issue: you have problems with unclothed dudes, but not necessarily for the ladies. So, well played.

Honestly, the only real problem I would have with this show is if it replaced Lisa Foiles' Top 5. Then I would be sad.

He's not necessarily wrong. I just don't find this person entertaining, he isn't presenting this well, neither with his voice, mimics, gestics or his perpherie additions. It just reeks of low quality and seems to be nothing more then a shallow presentation combined with a ''wacky'' resolution. In short, this person simply isn't a good host.

Onyx Oblivion:
I like Jim, every since I found Dtoid.

That PLAYING IT WRONG one showcased a lot of bullshit in the game reviewing process.

this Pacific youtube video is a has a valid point that i can agree with. this is first time i seen him agree able point with in out of the 3 videos i seen

that proves he be ability to make a valid point but he still proves it a tasteless way
why must he curse every other damn sentence to prove a point.
can't he just prove his point using mostly semi-intelligent words instead?
i am not saying he should pretentious; he should just sound smart.(sounding smart and being smart are two different things but in the end all about presentation.)
is it really that hard to not sound like a moron with limited vocabulary?

Everyone likes to look at pretty examples of the gender they're attracted to, and everyone likes getting fanservice.

EVERYONE

Except it's only the men who catch shit over their objectification. This oversensitivity nonsense is programed into many people's head as part of their perpetual victimization mindset.

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Strike 2.

Jim Sterling:
Solving the Sexism Situation

Sexism in videogames is the worst social situation civilization mankind has ever faced. Thank the sweet babe o' Nazareth that someone has a way to fix it!

Watch Video

Actually much better than the last one. Still got that fucking annoying backing track playing in the background which needs turning off.

Okay this was better than last time, but it still isn't good.
The first episode was Transformers 2, now it's Transformers 1.
Couldn't we get someone better to do this?

manythings:

Patton662:
He ain't wrong.

I wouldn't call him right either since it's clearly a piss take.

Clearly my ass, this guy isnt joking.

EmpressZombiKitty:

unabomberman:

EmpressZombiKitty:

Yeah, I'm a woman and I wouldn't mind to see more half-naked men. Also, to brownstudies, I usually choose Coach or Rochelle...because Nick is just as good.

You do realize that you have plenty of male blockheads to ogle, right? It's not like we dudes are underobjectified [sic], if that's how you want to define objectification that is. We just don't care as much--I certainly don't, really, but am merely pointing out the other side of the argument.

Also, there aren't that many studios, if there's even a single one, that cater to specific female tastes as there are for the male ones. If there were, along with more demographically geared great games we'd also have the equivalent of harlequin books, filled with swashbuckling assholes with chiseled chests who deep down are sensitive souls than can only be fully understood by either a horse tamer, a marine biologist, the reluctant heir of a corporate empire, etc. and, good lord, that's how equality would truly look like.

If I were to choose in a poll for more exposed men in games, sure I'd vote Yes for the amusement factor,(Like, I was amused by Chuck Greene in his boxers with a weird hat on.) but over all I don't care. It doesn't bring anything or take away from the game itself. The half-dressed woman don't offend me either. It's life. I'm a graphic designer and I've had to put plenty of scantily clad women in an ad to sell a product.

Plus, they're video game characters. If I want half-naked characters with an interesting story, I just watch true blood. lol

It does annoy me when I see a character like Ivy from Soul Calibur whose cup size goes up with every game it makes chuckle at the needless tackiness, or yet another Macho soldier cursing and flexing his biceps and little else.

The issue isn't the frequency of the half-dressed women but the infrequency of those that are little more than that. And that's why Jim's oppinion is wrong.

Well, I gave him a second chance. I think I would read articles by this guy, but not watch videos.

Reincarnatedwolfgod:

Onyx Oblivion:
I like Jim, every since I found Dtoid.

That PLAYING IT WRONG one showcased a lot of bullshit in the game reviewing process.

he has the ability to make a valid point but proves it a tasteless way
why must he curse every other damn sentence to prove a point.
can't he just prove his point using semi-intelligent words instead?
i am saying he should pretentious; he should just sound smart.(sounding smart and being smart are two different things but in the end all about presentation.)
is it really that hard to not sound like a moron with limited vocabulary?

Its just who he is, and how he talks. He discusses stuff that make him angry, and when he's angry, he swears a lot. Like most people do when angry.

You tried to change som things. Still not good enough. There's your second chance, now please leave.

I think the video was entertaining. Of course, that means most of the escapist will hate it. I hate being me sometimes!

Jim
Men are wired to objectify women.

I am a complete pervert. I've seen and enjoyed the most fucked-up stuff the internet has to offer. Do you know what part of a woman that I find most sexually attractive? I'll tell you: the quality of their character. An objectified woman is little more than a statue: aesthetically pleasing but otherwise uninteresting. If I like the character of a woman I'll find her about ten times more attractive than if she was just a pair of tits.

Jim's assertion that sex sells and therefore we should sell sex to both men and women simultaneously is a logical fallacy. Men like to look at half-naked women and women like to look at half-naked men. However, men don't like to look at half-naked men and women (I assume) don't like to look at half-naked women. By including half-naked members of both genders in your game you will neither attract nor repulse potential buyers. It'll sell no more or less than only including the "full-plate" option. It is better, from a marketer's point of view, to only objectify one gender at a time.

Also, women in chain mail bikinis don't look ridiculous because they're standing next to men in full-plate armor. They look ridiculous because only a complete fucking idiot would wear a chain mail bikini to a battle.

One more thing: what's up with the shitty MS Paint drawings of cocks? They distract from the monologue, they're not funny, and they're quite immature. I mean, come now, when have random and unfunny drawings of cocks ever contributed positively to... anything?

Is this guy a joke or just awful?

Does no one realise this is the guy from Destructoid? Or does The Escapist exist in its own separate dimension of the internet.

Like it, but get rid of the MS paint crap please.

Iron Lightning:

Jim
Men are wired to objectify women.

I am a complete pervert. I've seen and enjoyed the most fucked-up stuff the internet has to offer. Do you know what part of a woman that I find most sexually attractive? I'll tell you: the quality of their character. An objectified woman is little more than a statue: aesthetically pleasing but otherwise uninteresting. If I like the character of a woman I'll find her about ten times more attractive than if she was just a pair of tits.

Jim's assertion that sex sells and therefore we should sell sex to both men and women simultaneously is a logical fallacy. Men like to look at half-naked women and women like to look at half-naked men. However, men don't like to look at half-naked men and women (I assume) don't like to look at half-naked women. By including half-naked members of both genders in your game you will neither attract nor repulse potential buyers. It'll sell no more or less than only including the "full-plate" option. It is better, from a marketer's point of view, to only objectify one gender at a time.

A lot of bold assertions in there without much backing, how many action films now feature a brief "hero is topless" scene? I saw Thor the other week and I didn't hear any guys complaining when he got his top off.

wizzy555:

Iron Lightning:

Jim
Men are wired to objectify women.

I am a complete pervert. I've seen and enjoyed the most fucked-up stuff the internet has to offer. Do you know what part of a woman that I find most sexually attractive? I'll tell you: the quality of their character. An objectified woman is little more than a statue: aesthetically pleasing but otherwise uninteresting. If I like the character of a woman I'll find her about ten times more attractive than if she was just a pair of tits.

Jim's assertion that sex sells and therefore we should sell sex to both men and women simultaneously is a logical fallacy. Men like to look at half-naked women and women like to look at half-naked men. However, men don't like to look at half-naked men and women (I assume) don't like to look at half-naked women. By including half-naked members of both genders in your game you will neither attract nor repulse potential buyers. It'll sell no more or less than only including the "full-plate" option. It is better, from a marketer's point of view, to only objectify one gender at a time.

A lot of bold assertions in there without much backing, how many action films now feature a brief "hero is topless" scene? I saw Thor the other week and I didn't hear any guys complaining when he got his top off.

It's not quite the same "taboo" as with breasts, but women do love seeing the abs, which is why there was such controversy over older women lusting after topless and objectifying pictures of the then underage actor who played the werewolf in Twilight

Look, just stop with the MS Paint stuff and this show would be a lot better. I know this show can be good, the topics chosen have just been... easy. And the paint stuff makes it more annoying than it is.

DEFINITE improvement on the first one. Will watch the third with interest.

Liked last week and this was better. Makes me laugh and has some good points. Keep it up!

Iron Lightning:
*Snip*

Men project ideal personalities onto anonymous women, and vice-versa.
A half-naked man does not 'counteract' the positive effects of a half-naked woman, and vice-versa.
It isn't "Jim's assertion that sex sells", it is known. This is why you don't see enough 'normal-looking' people in adverts & on aspirational shows.

Must be some pretty bright lighting to be wearing those shades indoors...

OT: Watched the first episode, didn't really enjoy it. At all. This time around, though I found myself deeply interested and invested in the strong, valid points he was mak-

Wait, no I wasn't. It's still not good. What ever happened to Lisa?

Raistlinhawke:
With all due respect, Escapist, as it is your site and all, but weren't we clear with the initial reaction this new series? Menial improvements does not make up for his complete lack of joke ability and abrasive, unappealing demeanor. His production values are still rock bottom, and he still fails to offer a concise, valid point in any meaningful way.

At the very least I hope at least a portion of the detractors have the courage of their convictions and follow through with their threat to abandon viewership of the site until Sterling's removal. It would at least provide the free market excuse for dumping the series apparently needed in this situation.

Please Escapist, at least do the most obvious math, not that much effort is required here.

the fact you actually think most of escapist videos have good production values...is the single reason not to listen to you.

This is better than last week's sorry affair. It's got past the re-treading old ground to sort-of carve out a semi-niche by having gaming issues, but taking them in ridiculous directions...

Better this week.

I suspect the MS paint stuff hides edit seams in the video...

Funny people are screaming to get this guy off the site when he says such awesome stuff.I bet all of you got offended of the image of Marcus in a thong.Or all the almost naked men.Or that peripheral subjects are covered in other good shows.

And the MS paint stuff is fairly classic.I remember before photoshop became the rage people used to do weird shit with mspaint.But what would I know there's gonna be 50 people on my ass in a bit to try and tell me I'm wrong.

I'm not prepared to disagree with his fundamental premises: 1) people, of both genders, have and like having sex; 2) why not appeal equally to the sexual lust of both genders rather than just one, exclusively? However, his delivery really needs some editing.

Lenin211:
Is this guy a joke or just awful?

An awful joke.

I know this is so late in the comments that few people probably read it, but I'll relink this anyway as I find it an interesting read and the main reason why I won't be watching anything this man produces in the future. http://gomakemeasandwich.blogspot.com/2011/02/in-his-words-why-jim-sterling-is-in.html

I've never really posted at all on this site, but I read topics and watch videos (and add to your revenue) on a daily basis and I've not encountered anyone on here (be they contributors or members) that have put me off of something as fast as mr Jim Sterling. I don't want to associate with people of his kind in any way, shape or form.

When/if this person (and I use that term loosely) is allowed to post a third piece of content, I will be deleting my user on here and find other sources for entertainment far improved over 'the jimquisition', such as drinking a broken glass of tabasco sauce - shards and all.

Goodbye Escapist (as I assume they'll still let this guy spew his vileness all across the intrawebs even with my feeble expression of disapproval), it was fun while it lasted.

Ps. Feel somewhat sheepish having voted for the escapist in that lifestyle award thingymajigg
Ds.

Ok I'm sold the previous one kinda sucked this was a lot better. The strategic use of Fuck was better

So it isn't "classy", except the FFIX, still, strip things to the bones, and you'll easily note that he has a point.

'sexism in gaming is a hot-potato issue right now.'
No kidding? Maybe it'll go away in a couple of weeks, I mean it is a pretty boring subject.

'I think the issue of sexism is overblown, and it is very easy to get caught up in our inability to differentiate between jokes from actual instances of hatred.'

For my part at least, the problem isn't the instances of extreme cruelty to women, I was never offended by the prostitutes in GTAIV, and the sexual representation of women in games has never seemed even remotely appealing. I don't get off on it. And neither do you. The problem is that the overall representation is incredibly over-simplified and for the most part non-existent. I recently tried to find a female character I related to in games. By focusing only on the complaints of the media, i.e. individual examples of gratuitousness, you fail to recognise the general trend of not having any decent female characters at all.

I wonder if I was the only woman who played portal 2 who felt grateful that they had produced such a brilliant female character in GlaDOS. *spoiler* I wonder more if other feminists shared my pang of grief at having to supplant her at the end of the first act of the game, with wheatley. A 'man'.

I think it's a damn shame you have been given the opportunity to babble about this subject with only a limited understanding of gender issues, and wa--ay more righteous indignation at the evil super-villain you label 'mass-media'. It is not a simple black and white issue, that games should be allowed to make stupid sexist jokes if they are stupid sexist games. Of course they can. But rather than balancing out the gender discrimination through costume design (something which is only relevant to an outside viewer; i.e. the media) we should trying to produce better female representations within games( something which actually impacts on the games experience.)

'we have to cater in this industry to vaginas just as much as penises, and if that's not equality I don't know what is!'

Your ignorance is astounding.

How dare you guys put up Jim Sterling videos I shall never come to your site again...instead of just not viewing his videos....

As a dude, I honestly find it a little insulting that devs think I'll buy a game based on nudity/semi-nudity. But yeah, this Duke thing is overblown, especially because Duke Nukem is basically a parody.

EDIT:

morganpony2:
The problem is that the overall representation is incredibly over-simplified and for the most part non-existent. I recently tried to find a female character I related to in games. By focusing only on the complaints of the media, i.e. individual examples of gratuitousness, you fail to recognise the general trend of not having any decent female characters at all.

QFT. It's not that just (or even mostly) that devs include big boobs, its that they seem to think giving a character big boobs is a substitute for developing her as a character.

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