Commentary on "Lord Snow"

Commentary on "Lord Snow"

The tension starts to rise in the kingdom of Westeros.

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The scene with the Dothraki, Khal Drogo, and Daenerys continue to depress me. But, one again, Mr. Dinklage--and recently--Mr. Harington more than made up for it. Also, I'm not really feeling "Ned" Stark in this show. The euphoria of the series is fading in me, and now I'm starting to notice so many things that could've been done so much better.

Was Yoren at all amusing in the book?

My biggest problem with the series (and it's MY problem) is that i don't know how i'm going to see the characters when i read the 5th book. I read LOTR after the movies came out, so when I think of Aragorn, i picture Viggo.

I know this is the peril of any adapted work. I want to keep my imagined characters. My personally constructed faces.

Ne1butme:
Was Yoren at all amusing in the book?

My biggest problem with the series (and it's MY problem) is that i don't know how i'm going to see the characters when i read the 5th book. I read LOTR after the movies came out, so when I think of Aragorn, i picture Viggo.

I know this is the peril of any adapted work. I want to keep my imagined characters. My personally constructed faces.

you know, i'm really scared of that happening as well. I had this really vivid image of all the characters in my head, all their little mannerisms and stuff, and i don't want it replaced by the people from the show. Varys for instance, did not appear at all how i imagined him. I don't want the spider from the show any where near my imagination when i'm reading the books.
And one really really minor thing that has been bugging me is that Bran is supposed to be seven, not ten. its something really silly to be annoyed with i know, but there it is xD

Slycne:
Game of Thrones: Commentary on "Lord Snow"

The tension starts to rise in the kingdom of Westeros.

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page 2, second paragraph, last sentence should read

Ned sends her away under secrecy because it is too dangerous, not even allowing her to see her daughters.

Thanks for running this, the show is great but understanding it better with knowledge from the book rocks :D

EDIT: also, last page:

Though Joreh is quick to depart upon learning that Daenerys is with child, I remember this being played far subtlety in the book, but maybe it's just because A Storm of Swords is still relatively fresh in my mind.

More subtly? With far more subtlety?

Someone needs to give the proof-reading hamster a shot of Mountain Dew ;)

EMFCRACKSHOT:

you know, i'm really scared of that happening as well. I had this really vivid image of all the characters in my head, all their little mannerisms and stuff, and i don't want it replaced by the people from the show. Varys for instance, did not appear at all how i imagined him. I don't want the spider from the show any where near my imagination when i'm reading the books.
And one really really minor thing that has been bugging me is that Bran is supposed to be seven, not ten. its something really silly to be annoyed with i know, but there it is xD

Actually, Varys was exactly like how i imagined. Bald, chubby, and little effeminate. And Little Finger is spot on. But I never pictured the hound with Hair or a beard. His description might have been mentioned, but it always seemed to focus on the burn scar.

Ne1butme:

Actually, Varys was exactly like how i imagined. Bald, chubby, and little effeminate. And Little Finger is spot on. But I never pictured the hound with Hair or a beard. His description might have been mentioned, but it always seemed to focus on the burn scar.

My problem with varys is that he doesn't seem sneaky enough. And i never imagined him as a little fat man.
I definitely agree with you on the Hound. He doesn't feel right to me. The hound is supposed to be terrifying and full of anger, yet he seems almost jovial. And i don't think they got his scars right. they don't seem prominent enough.

1 mistake: Aerys was planning to have his Alchemists/Pyromancers (more specifically, his last Hand, Lord Rossart) burn King's Landing. It's a different organisation from the Maesters.

EMFCRACKSHOT:

Ne1butme:
Was Yoren at all amusing in the book?

My biggest problem with the series (and it's MY problem) is that i don't know how i'm going to see the characters when i read the 5th book. I read LOTR after the movies came out, so when I think of Aragorn, i picture Viggo.

I know this is the peril of any adapted work. I want to keep my imagined characters. My personally constructed faces.

you know, i'm really scared of that happening as well. I had this really vivid image of all the characters in my head, all their little mannerisms and stuff, and i don't want it replaced by the people from the show. Varys for instance, did not appear at all how i imagined him. I don't want the spider from the show any where near my imagination when i'm reading the books.
And one really really minor thing that has been bugging me is that Bran is supposed to be seven, not ten. its something really silly to be annoyed with i know, but there it is xD

Agreed, being the master of disguise and all, oh well.

From the sneak-peeks, neither is Bronn too (> . >) the way I imagined him to be. He was more dirty and han-solo roguish in my head. Oh well.

That's not at all what I pictured King's Landing to look like. In fact, most things aren't how I imagined them. Ah well, I don't have trouble keeping my old imagined versions of things as I read. I loved the scene with Jon on top of the Wall; they did a great job with making it look incredibly cold.

Oh, and it's "Night's Watch".

I was a lil let down by king's landing. I always imagined it as the rat infested, early london kind of town. It felt dang near tropical in the last show. oh and yeah the raven missing kinda niffed me as well. Ahh well still a good show.

Nothing about Syrio Forel??? He didn't look like the way he was described in the book, or how I imagined him, but I thought he was great. He was maybe a little less serious and more jovial, but he just really brought the character to life. Arya's first "dancing lesson" was easily my favorite part of this episode.

One of the few series I actually legitimately look forward to each week now.

I was not expecting Danearyis to actually start to like the Dothraki guy. But it's refreshing, to say the least

cainx10a:

From the sneak-peeks, neither is Bronn too (> . >) the way I imagined him to be. He was more dirty and han-solo roguish in my head. Oh well.

Bronn? We've seen Bronn? That shouldn't be until next week (if my timing is correct) Or was he in some sort of trailer?

Ne1butme:

cainx10a:

From the sneak-peeks, neither is Bronn too (> . >) the way I imagined him to be. He was more dirty and han-solo roguish in my head. Oh well.

Bronn? We've seen Bronn? That shouldn't be until next week (if my timing is correct) Or was he in some sort of trailer?

Trailer/Sneak-peak videos that you can find at the HBO site.

ThaBenMan:
Nothing about Syrio Forel??? He didn't look like the way he was described in the book, or how I imagined him, but I thought he was great. He was maybe a little less serious and more jovial, but he just really brought the character to life. Arya's first "dancing lesson" was easily my favorite part of this episode.

This.

There are a few areas where you're not 100% on name spellings. It's Jorah and Thorne.

I think camelot is a better show

actually, there was something else missing from this episode, Ghost. Where was Jon Snows direwolf?

EMFCRACKSHOT:
actually, there was something else missing from this episode, Ghost. Where was Jon Snows direwolf?

That got me more that Mormont's raven to be fair...

I missed the giant at the end of the world speech my the maester at castle black and also Jon pissing off thorne with his i would love to see ghost juggle speech which becomes quite important when slynarrives at the wall. Also strange we havent seen Jons direworlf at all, in fact most of them seem to be showing up less than they where written to. Really liked the syrio bits though just so indeed

One question that desperately needs to be answered, WHERE THE HELL IS GHOST?! Him and Jon were nigh inseperable during his time at the wall, and he is nowhere to be seen D:

The show people need to learn how to inform the audience of things without resorting to long boring exposition. I am enjoying the show but I can not imagine how someone who hasn't read the books would enjoy it.

Really on TV you have to show the audience not tell them. Like when Jaime and Ned were talking about the death of Ned's father and brother why in the world would they not have a flash back and actually show the audience.

Also I am with people here who are annoyed about the show forgetting about all the animal characters all of the time. Especially Ghost.

LordOfTheDance:
The show people need to learn how to inform the audience of things without resorting to long boring exposition. I am enjoying the show but I can not imagine how someone who hasn't read the books would enjoy it.

Really on TV you have to show the audience not tell them. Like when Jaime and Ned were talking about the death of Ned's father and brother why in the world would they not have a flash back and actually show the audience.

Also I am with people here who are annoyed about the show forgetting about all the animal characters all of the time. Especially Ghost.

Flashbacks are nearly always terribly executed. They work well when we are actually inside the character's head (i.e. in a book), but on TV it nearly always seems contrived and cheesy. Not to mention that you would need to cast a whole bunch of new characters for bit parts as all the character's younger selves.
I think the show has been pretty good at showing, not telling, through reactions and natural conversations. Sometimes there is a bit much exposition, but that is the nature of this kind of story.

As for the animal characters, they are in fact animals. As such, they are very hard to work with. In general, you would need perhaps 10X as many takes to get a scene right when an animal is in it, and the cast has specifically commented on their problems in interviews.
While I agree that a few shots of Jon and Bran's wolf in this episode would have been nice, in general we should all be prepared to expect the supernaturally large wolves to stay out of scenes were they are not specifically needed.

Spacewolf:
Also strange we havent seen Jons direworlf at all, in fact most of them seem to be showing up less than they where written to.

You do see Ghost every so briefly in the second episode when Jon and Tyrion have stopped on their way to the Wall. There's a big mass of white in one of the wide shot.

ThaBenMan:
Nothing about Syrio Forel??? He didn't look like the way he was described in the book, or how I imagined him, but I thought he was great. He was maybe a little less serious and more jovial, but he just really brought the character to life. Arya's first "dancing lesson" was easily my favorite part of this episode.

There is definitely a fine line between being faithful and being needlessly beholden to the books. Syrio, for what you said, is a great example. He doesn't need to look exactly like what's described in the books, because his character is defined by his actions less than his appearance. He's there to teach Arya "fencing" and hopefully we get to see his awesome moment of taking down five Lannister guards with his wooden sword.

Im almost certain that guy who whipped Viserys becomes one of Daenerys's bloodriders rather than being one of Drogo's. Also I never realised that Ghost and the Raven were nowhere to be seen until my second viewing and I was hoping that'd we get to see the Tourney of the Hand this week. Really want to see Thoros, Loras and the fight between the Mountain and the Hound :D

Skyweir:
Flashbacks are nearly always terribly executed.

I think the show has been pretty good at showing, not telling, through reactions and natural conversations. Sometimes there is a bit much exposition, but that is the nature of this kind of story.

As for the animal characters, they are in fact animals.

1) Flashbacks nearly always terribly executed? Maybe we watch completely different programs. But many shows in recent years have cut aways that mesh seamlessly with what is going on in the actual timeline and are far more effective then.

Jaime: Lord Stark let us have this boring dialogue that will be incredibly confusing and ambiguous for those who have not read the books.

Ned: Why I say, let us do that post haste!!!

*Boring soon followed.*

2) 95% of the information is given to the audience as exposition in this show, which is way too much. Perhaps it is because the source material is completely ill-suited to be television, or the producers didn't change the presentation enough from the source material. But the sad truth of the matter is that those who are not fans of th book are going to start tuning out if the show remains, 'The Exposition Hour'.

3) It doesn't matter that these characters are animals. They are important to the book and as this is television you have to show the audience that these things exist to remind them. As if it is not being seen then it might as well not exist. Obviously they can't have the animals do the same sort of blending with the characters as they did in the books. But they can at least show Ghost following John around in the establishing shot in every scene. And then just not pan to him again. The audience will figure Ghost is always there and all you have to get the dog to do is follow a guy for 10 seconds.

I am liking the show overall. But I am positive I would not if I were not such a huge fan of the books. I mostly find joy in looking at how they are executing the locations and the characters. The small things the show is doing a good job at. But it needs some work on the big things.

A last note: Anyone else find Cersei lacking the teeth and intellect she seemed to possess in the books. I basically hated her on every page of the books, it was amazing. She seems really watered down. Especially how she seems to show disdain for Jaime's advances. Something she would never do in the books.

Kind of missing Ghost. Not having read the books I don't know just how much he's supposed to follow John but his omission is a little strange.

LordOfTheDance:
The show people need to learn how to inform the audience of things without resorting to long boring exposition. I am enjoying the show but I can not imagine how someone who hasn't read the books would enjoy it.

Really on TV you have to show the audience not tell them. Like when Jaime and Ned were talking about the death of Ned's father and brother why in the world would they not have a flash back and actually show the audience.

Also I am with people here who are annoyed about the show forgetting about all the animal characters all of the time. Especially Ghost.

I haven't read the books and so far I find the series awesome. I think flashbacks would be suitable in some instances, but in this particular instance it was not necessary, the dialogue did all the work (even letting us imagine the event).

As for the Direwolves, I get that they are supposed to be vigilant companions, present at all times ( I think)and I would like that, but I think that's just difficult to film with actual animals and no one would be pleased with CGI-animals.

The exposition has been spot on sofar; although selfishly I want a flash back for the battle of the trident, with ser Arthur Dayne and the 'sword of the morning' "it was an oath..."

dandahammer:
The exposition has been spot on sofar; although selfishly I want a flash back for the battle of the trident, with ser Arthur Dayne and the 'sword of the morning' "it was an oath..."

I would love to see the Robert and Rhaegar fight.

As for the show, I love it. It's not 100% perfect, and it's incredibly streamlined, but it's enjoyable, entertaining, and it hits all the big stuff right. I could complain, but it's very well done, and it could have been a lot worse...

YES SWORD OF TRUTH I AM LOOKING RIGHT AT YOU. YOU MAY CRAWL BACK INTO THE KEEPER'S ARMS NOW.

edit: I agree about Ghost. After watching the third episode, the lack of Ghost's presence was notable. I don't mean he should have been the focus or anything, but should have been there.

Ever since I watched this episode, I've secretly yearned for a gigantic wall to piss off of.

Also, Syrio Forel needs a baby chocobo in his afro.

Am I the only straight guy here who thought Lancel was somehow -incredibly- hot?

PrinceOfShapeir:
Am I the only straight guy here who thought Lancel was somehow -incredibly- hot?

Nope. I am having a hard time picturing him acting tough with you-know-who though.

I am loving the show so far - but I do hope to see more of Ghost down the track. I don't like to nitpick at something I like even if aspects of it aren't how I imagined them.

However as to the flashback thing: I personally don't know if I can handle a show with flashbacks after Lost - I feel that flashbacks now work best in dramatic shows if used sparingly (comedies are a different kettle of fish where they can be used for quick jokes). Besides using a flashback would give away too much about what happened - I think that doesn't sound like a bad thing but in this story the reader gets to piece together what happened in the past piece by piece.

There is one exception to all of what I said above though: I would like Ned to have a flashback of Jamie sitting on the Iron Throne.

 

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