Escape to the Movies: Thor

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I realize this is the Marvel norse gods and thus there's some liberties with the mythos.
Don't get me wrong, Heimdal rocked in the movie. But it was seriously funny that the norse god, that's also called the "white as" is played by a black guy. XD
And Sif having black hair (skipping the detail with her being Thors wife entirely) but the black hair?! Sif has hair of freaking gold.
And what happened to all the other giants (Jętter) and when the hell did Loke become a frost giant. He was a Jętte and not Odins son, but blood brother.
Didn't read that much of thor in the old marvel comics, so it filled the movie with alot of WTFs and unintended laughs XD

The reason (I think) why they didn't do a "Hammer time" joke, was because...
They did it in "Steel" and it didn't work then.

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Ravenkeeper:
I realize this is the Marvel norse gods and thus there's some liberties with the mythos.
Don't get me wrong, Heimdal rocked in the movie. But it was seriously funny that the norse god, that's also called the "white as" is played by a black guy. XD
And Sif having black hair (skipping the detail with her being Thors wife entirely) but the black hair?! Sif has hair of freaking gold.
And what happened to all the other giants (Jętter) and when the hell did Loke become a frost giant. He was a Jętte and not Odins son, but blood brother.
Didn't read that much of thor in the old marvel comics, so it filled the movie with alot of WTFs and unintended laughs XD

It's actually explained in the comics that every five hundred years or so, the Asgardians go through a cycle of Ragnarok, they get born with the same souls and have the same adventures, ultimately with everything culimating in the death of Baldur and then Ragnarok, before being inevitably reborn. But little details can change in between, explaining discrepancies betweem the comics and the myths. So for example Sif still has black hair, because the event where Loki shaved it off (and it was replaced with gold hair) may not have had a chance to occur yet.

The cycle got derailed when Thor came into contact with the modern age and he eventually broke it with the help of the lessons he learnt with the Avengers. It's actually a pretty epic story where Thor plucks out both of his eyes for knowledge and fully hangs himself, to out do Odin's previous act. He finds out a tribunal of even more powerful beings (or gods above gods) are feeding off their deaths and stops them.

I guess not very in line with the mythology, but it does try to cover it's gaps.

Nice, Bob went back to reviewing movies like a reviewer. He does read and listen to comments.

yeah... youre getting TOO soft, when will we get real critsism and not just an description?

MacNille:
As i have not seen the movie yet, I still feel thorn on that a black guy (have not laid his name on my mind yet) plays Hemidal. It's just bug me as i'm huge fan of Norse mytholigy (I'm form Sweden). I will see it and pass my own judgment. Also don't throw the rascist card at me please :-).

Actually I agree with you, he did awesome...but... why is it only "white" societies that have to be multicultural? Take the frost giants they were entirely homogeneous...they didn't have any "black" frost giants. Now I know that they were blue, so there is alot of room for debate.

I'm loving these movies! Thor's probably my favorite so far.

THE ODINSON Triumphs!

Antwerp Caveman:
Incidentally: the guy that played Punisher in the last movie, "War Zone" played Volstagg in this movie.

I did not know that until know.
Very cool.

just a simple yes or no was that the purple lantern in the Vault?

Fumbles:

MacNille:
As i have not seen the movie yet, I still feel thorn on that a black guy (have not laid his name on my mind yet) plays Hemidal. It's just bug me as i'm huge fan of Norse mytholigy (I'm form Sweden). I will see it and pass my own judgment. Also don't throw the rascist card at me please :-).

Actually I agree with you, he did awesome...but... why is it only "white" societies that have to be multicultural? Take the frost giants they were entirely homogeneous...they didn't have any "black" frost giants. Now I know that they were blue, so there is alot of room for debate.

Maybe they would have been Yellow?

i watched the movie and i loved it!
i never read the comics but i'm thrilled about the marvel universe in film. it just seems a such fantastic idea! all those characters and worlds mixing with eachother. plus, as far as my knowledge goes, this has never been tried on that scale before.

gibboss28:
I've got a question but i'll put it in a spoiler for those who haven't seen the film yet

I dont know if anyones answered you yet but just in case they havnt; thats Jeremy Renner. He's awesome.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0719637/

But Loki is the brother of Odin...

So Loki is not Thor's brother, but his uncle...

Or maybe im remembering this wrong...?...

I find it Hilarious how people snap at a black Heimdall, but don't react to the asian warrior (can't remember name, one of the friend's of Thor troop). Black Heimdall is awesome, and I'm Norwegian, so that settles it!!!

Tinybear:
I find it Hilarious how people snap at a black Heimdall, but don't react to the asian warrior (can't remember name, one of the friend's of Thor troop). Black Heimdall is awesome, and I'm Norwegian, so that settles it!!!

I'm not against Idris Elba and I thought he was great, but I can see why there's a difference. The Asian warrior is called Hogun (not even sure if they mentioned it) and he's a character completely made up for the comics. Where as Heimdall is a pre-existing mythological figure.

gibboss28:
I've got a question but i'll put it in a spoiler for those who haven't seen the film yet

OT: I really liked Thor. Branagh did a great job embracing the magical and ridiculous nature of the comic and mythology. The earth parts were a bit dull in comparison to the Asgard scenes.

Fumbles:

MacNille:
As i have not seen the movie yet, I still feel thorn on that a black guy (have not laid his name on my mind yet) plays Hemidal. It's just bug me as i'm huge fan of Norse mytholigy (I'm form Sweden). I will see it and pass my own judgment. Also don't throw the rascist card at me please :-).

Actually I agree with you, he did awesome...but... why is it only "white" societies that have to be multicultural? Take the frost giants they were entirely homogeneous...they didn't have any "black" frost giants. Now I know that they were blue, so there is alot of room for debate.

He was cast in the role because he fit the part. It is called not casting to type and it has been happening in hollywood for decades. If this was a history channel special on Norse mythology then yes the actor portraying Hemidal in the recreations should be Caucasian, but we must remember this is a comic book based upon the mythology not an accurate portrayal of the mythology itself. So it is totally fine that they casted a black man as Hemidal.

Watched it in iMAX today morning and really liked the movie. Obviously, there are discrepancies with the actual mythology but I kind of got used to movies doing that to Greek/Roman/"Pagan" stuff for years now. :)

Well, I saw the film this weekend, and with the exception of Bob's comment of Natalie Portman playing a "Plane-jane scientist" - Natalie Portman is never gonna look like a plane-jane anything, without a lot of effort - I think he was right on with his review.

I enjoyed the movie quite a bit, and I'd say that I was only slightly disappointed in one regard - that the final battle between Thor and the antagonist was a bit lackluster. I was hoping for a larger set piece.

And I'll admit to hoping to see Anthony Hopkins in a more active role - but really, they probably couldn't. The focus of the movie was Thor after all, and anytime Hopkins in on screen, you know that he's going to own that scene.

After watching Thor, I have to say I really did enjoy it.

But I want to go back to the Heimdall debate. Being that Heimdall was one of 2 black guys and Hogun was the only Asian in a sea of honkies, it more of made them stick out like sore thumbs. It made them seem token.

lead sharp:

DearFilm:
I have to completely disagree with Bob on this one. I found every single scene on earth to be tonally at odds with everything going on in Asgard. The dissonence was such that I seriously wanted them to abandon the earth realm all together. The romance was dull and undetailed, and the larger-universe building was just as hamfisted and unnecessary as ever.
This could have been a really good movie, but in the name of fitting it in to the larger Avengers narrative, they severely hobbled this film.
This movie had no point but to introduce Thor, and it deserved a lot more than that.

The whole crux of Thor is that he's sent to Earth to learn humility, you can't do a Thor movie without this. As for "tonally at odds" well...it's Earth full of us mortal eejits, that's Asgard full of god like beings of course there going to be different, it's from this contrast that the humour and everything else comes from.

On that note (from every negative review I've seen) regarding the 'shoehorning' of Shield (the Avengers is never actually brought up) Shield in the MU deals with things above and beyond the norm', superhuman things. them NOT being in these films is like the fire brigade NOT being in Backdraft.

I don't deny that SHIELD was a necessary part of the movie, nor do I think that Earth should have been left out, I am just saying that the way these elements were handled made me wish that they had been.
I think that Thor could have been a great movie, rather than just an above average one had they taken more time to seemlessly and smoothly integrate each element. As it stood, it was a good Thor movie, dilluted by the need to use it as a prep for The Avengers.

i loved it, it was on par with the remade hulk movie for being a decent movie that happens to be comic themed.
i would have liked to of seen more action scenes or the ones that are there longer.

on a side note, the Bifrost, That's what the Space-bridge(sky-bridge?)needs to look like if the ever use it in a transformers movie.

WolfThomas:

Ravenkeeper:
I realize this is the Marvel norse gods and thus there's some liberties with the mythos.
Don't get me wrong, Heimdal rocked in the movie. But it was seriously funny that the norse god, that's also called the "white as" is played by a black guy. XD
And Sif having black hair (skipping the detail with her being Thors wife entirely) but the black hair?! Sif has hair of freaking gold.
And what happened to all the other giants (Jętter) and when the hell did Loke become a frost giant. He was a Jętte and not Odins son, but blood brother.
Didn't read that much of thor in the old marvel comics, so it filled the movie with alot of WTFs and unintended laughs XD

It's actually explained in the comics that every five hundred years or so, the Asgardians go through a cycle of Ragnarok, they get born with the same souls and have the same adventures, ultimately with everything culimating in the death of Baldur and then Ragnarok, before being inevitably reborn. But little details can change in between, explaining discrepancies betweem the comics and the myths. So for example Sif still has black hair, because the event where Loki shaved it off (and it was replaced with gold hair) may not have had a chance to occur yet.

The cycle got derailed when Thor came into contact with the modern age and he eventually broke it with the help of the lessons he learnt with the Avengers. It's actually a pretty epic story where Thor plucks out both of his eyes for knowledge and fully hangs himself, to out do Odin's previous act. He finds out a tribunal of even more powerful beings (or gods above gods) are feeding off their deaths and stops them.

I guess not very in line with the mythology, but it does try to cover it's gaps.

well it's a decent attempt =3
I've only read about one or two of the old thor comics. Never could take the whole blond young man with a feather hat seriously (very Asterix =P). mainly due to the fact I grew up with the valhalla comics by Peter Madsen (danish classic, even made a cartoon back in 86 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNX_Heix390&feature=related) a great deal more true to the mythos.
Interesting titbit of info. Peter madsen gave a courtesy nod to marvel using the warriors Tthree in one of the comics (as fare as I know they arn't mythical characters) But here they were just Thor, Balder and Loke in disguise.

Ravenkeeper:
well it's a decent attempt =3
I've only read about one or two of the old thor comics. Never could take the whole blond young man with a feather hat seriously (very Asterix =P). mainly due to the fact I grew up with the valhalla comics by Peter Madsen (danish classic, even made a cartoon back in 86 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNX_Heix390&feature=related) a great deal more true to the mythos.
Interesting titbit of info. Peter madsen gave a courtesy nod to marvel using the warriors Tthree in one of the comics (as fare as I know they arn't mythical characters) But here they were just Thor, Balder and Loke in disguise.

Cool, I might watch it when I get the chance.

Khushal:
But Loki is the brother of Odin...

So Loki is not Thor's brother, but his uncle...

Or maybe im remembering this wrong...?...

In the comics he is the brother of Thor.

In mythology he is the brother of neither.

Hated this movie... Everything about it rubbed my brain the wrong way. The story was lame, the plot was paper thin, the fight scenes made me feel nothing & the characterization was so incredibly fucking bad it made me want to kill everyone else in the cinema just to see some level of believable emotion. Combine that with the over the top to much eye candy flavour of Asgard, which made me want to again go on a killing spree but for different reasons, i just straight up hated this film.

This film had no redeemable features in my eyes, but what can i say: Geeks these days are an easy lay when it comes to any completely shit movie that refrences geeky things.

I thought it was kinda slow. I wanted to see more Thor action time but, like you said, it's about him getting his hammer back. Oh well... hopefully we get to see him crack down alot of thunder on baddies in the Avenger's movie.

gibboss28:
I've got a question but i'll put it in a spoiler for those who haven't seen the film yet

Jeremy Renner

ArBeater:
No surprises in this vid. Anything comic related=good

Anything that is modern video game related=bad

Wolverine: Origins.

That's all I have to say to that.

Anyway the movie was definitely great! And I loved the cameo appearance, though I think they could've looked a bit more the part.

Does anyone else appreciated that Thor and Jane Foster were just attracted to one another and only "liked" each other? If theres one thing I find annoying is how in films people fall in love in a matter of 2-3 days. With Thor I felt really surprised and pleased that Natalie Portman's character felt like a real person. She's flawed, smart, decisive, and simply crushes on a guy the way a normal person would. I love small things like that.

I also want to point out I made it a task to see this in 2D and am really glad that I did.

"Plain Jain", Bob, really? I can't believe you said that with a straight face.

Nautical Honors Society:

Fumbles:

MacNille:
As i have not seen the movie yet, I still feel thorn on that a black guy (have not laid his name on my mind yet) plays Hemidal. It's just bug me as i'm huge fan of Norse mytholigy (I'm form Sweden). I will see it and pass my own judgment. Also don't throw the rascist card at me please :-).

Actually I agree with you, he did awesome...but... why is it only "white" societies that have to be multicultural? Take the frost giants they were entirely homogeneous...they didn't have any "black" frost giants. Now I know that they were blue, so there is alot of room for debate.

He was cast in the role because he fit the part. It is called not casting to type and it has been happening in hollywood for decades. If this was a history channel special on Norse mythology then yes the actor portraying Hemidal in the recreations should be Caucasian, but we must remember this is a comic book based upon the mythology not an accurate portrayal of the mythology itself. So it is totally fine that they casted a black man as Hemidal.

But in the comics, which the movie is based on, he was white....

Fumbles:

Nautical Honors Society:

Fumbles:

Actually I agree with you, he did awesome...but... why is it only "white" societies that have to be multicultural? Take the frost giants they were entirely homogeneous...they didn't have any "black" frost giants. Now I know that they were blue, so there is alot of room for debate.

He was cast in the role because he fit the part. It is called not casting to type and it has been happening in hollywood for decades. If this was a history channel special on Norse mythology then yes the actor portraying Hemidal in the recreations should be Caucasian, but we must remember this is a comic book based upon the mythology not an accurate portrayal of the mythology itself. So it is totally fine that they casted a black man as Hemidal.

But in the comics, which the movie is based on, he was white....

He is black in Thor: The Mighty Avenger #6

I enjoyed the movie. Excellent review. I couldn't agree more. Loki's actor did a phenomenal job making the classic lunatic relatable. I think many will enjoy this movie. Let's hope the Captain pulls rank and brings it home.

That being said, I want a Ms. Marvel movie.

You've got to love Idris Elba, you cannot go wrong casting him.

I liked it, it's no masterpiece but it sure was entertaining and very strange. Certainly fun to watch.
If I had a complaint it was that the romance between Thor and Jane felt kind of tacked on, even though really it should have been a major important part of the story. I keep assuming there were meant to be a lot more scenes than what we got.
Seriously though, Portman is a fantastic, fantastic actress. She won an Oscar for best actress of 2010, it seems a bit of a shame to have her not really get to do much.
Still she's absolutely beautiful so she still made for good eye candy but all the same.

Apart from that, everything was good. To be fair I don't know ANYTHING about Thor the comic so I just watched the movie on its own merits. And it was fun on its own merits. Watching Thor walking around a modern world with the attitude and swagger of a Norse God was oddly charming and appealling and it was nice to see a newblood Aussie actor get a huge role in his debute to cinema.

In any case I went to see Thor for five reasons:
1. To support an Aussie actor who had escaped from working on Home and Away
2. To see Anthony Hopkins go nuts with an eye patch
3. To see the black Norse God to prove that there should be no reason why a black man can't be a norse god.
4. To watch Vikings battle giant monsters from beyond the veil of time and space
5. To be given another oppurtunity to check out Natalie Portman.

The movie succeeded on all of these things, so it gets a pass.

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