Commentary on "Cripples, Bastards and Broken Things"

Commentary on "Cripples, Bastards and Broken Things"

The fourth episode excels in the detail-work but falters in some other areas.

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After reading the books, I always thought of a Gendry X Arya pairing down the roads for plenty of reasons including the wish of Robert that the two houses Baratheon and Stark should join, loved the chemistry (if you can call it that) between the two in the second and third book. The actor playing Gendry look old :s

Was glad to see the three-eyed crow as well as HODOR!

-- Still a few chapters in the 4th book ... damn ... I must also say that a lot of the bad guys, even Joffrey are pitiful creatures that didn't turn out OK, because of certain circumstances except for Clegor.

Also, <3'd Ser Hugh as well, " I AM A KNIGHT!!!!" :P

What happen to the bucther son from episode 2?

I kind of like him.

Dr. wonderful:
What happen to the bucther son from episode 2?

I kind of like him.

He died. From the book, he got chopped in pieces by the hound, then delivered to his pops ( a butcher), to make him think it was a butchered animal. ;)

cainx10a:

Dr. wonderful:
What happen to the bucther son from episode 2?

I kind of like him.

He died. From the book, he got chopped in pieces by the hound, then delivered to his pops ( a butcher), to make him think it was a butchered animal. ;)

In the actual episode the hound rode him down.

I love this series already. I thought I'd never love again after Lost broke my heart, but I'm ready.

The end of the episode was really great - like a foreshadow of the inevitable war to come.

I'm not sure if I would have preferred to have read the books beforehand or not, but from what I've seen - I think I'll be compelled to pick them up now.

I'm getting the books as soon as I can. Great show!

oops, double post, see below.

Ah goddamit, my long-ass post got deleted. Boooo. Ok, summary:

Final scene was melodramatic, but then again, it was one of the cornier scenes in the first book.

The look on Ned's face when he figured out what was going on was just priceless.

Gregor Clegane isn't scary enough. They should have had an epic camera angle shot where they show how big he actually is.

Viserys in the bath tub was actually a good scene considering that it wasn't in the books. The slap fight with Daenerys was pretty awful though, looked like something from a reality tv show.

Jaime and Peter Baelish are still the best actors so far. I'm warming to Sansa (big fan of hers in the book, I'm hoping the fifth book has more of her storyline, she has a potentially epic arc), and Arya is also pretty awesome.

John Snow acts way too stiff. Among the main characters, he's been the most disappointing for me so far. He comes across not at all like the person in the books. Too brooding, too serious.

Glad to see Theon getting some screen time. I liked him a lot in the books... until... well... you know.

EDIT: oh wow, my first post did go through. And my follow-up was longer than the original.

Spectrum_Prez:

John Snow acts way too stiff. Among the main characters, he's been the most disappointing for me so far. He comes across not at all like the person in the books. Too brooding, too serious.

Glad to see Theon getting some screen time. I liked him a lot in the books... until... well... you know.

EDIT: oh wow, my first post did go through. And my follow-up was longer than the original.

I honestly think Jon's actor and personality are great, the wall is no summer camp, and things will get harder for him.

And Theon ... screw him ... ASHA!!!! ;)

Spectrum_Prez:
Ah goddamit, my long-ass post got deleted. Boooo. Ok, summary:

Final scene was melodramatic, but then again, it was one of the cornier scenes in the first book.

The look on Ned's face when he figured out what was going on was just priceless.

Gregor Clegane isn't scary enough. They should have had an epic camera angle shot where they show how big he actually is.

Viserys in the bath tub was actually a good scene considering that it wasn't in the books. The slap fight with Daenerys was pretty awful though, looked like something from a reality tv show.

Jaime and Peter Baelish are still the best actors so far. I'm warming to Sansa (big fan of hers in the book, I'm hoping the fifth book has more of her storyline, she has a potentially epic arc), and Arya is also pretty awesome.

John Snow acts way too stiff. Among the main characters, he's been the most disappointing for me so far. He comes across not at all like the person in the books. Too brooding, too serious.

Glad to see Theon getting some screen time. I liked him a lot in the books... until... well... you know.

EDIT: oh wow, my first post did go through. And my follow-up was longer than the original.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! I hated Sansa in the book, Arya Stark is where it's all at.

OT: I'm actually glad they aren't using simple exposition to fill up the space, I mean, they could have very easily spent 5-10 min telling us about Theon Greyjoy, but they chose to give us only a fleeting look, just like like--initially--in the Novel.

All-in-all, I'm quiet excited about the show, but I'm sure we can do without the romanticism surrounding the Dothraki.

While I agree on the nudity (and the contemporary swearing... I mean honestly... it's jarring), it really doesn't add anything to the narrative, the bath rub scene was actually very interesting to me, it added some much needed information to someone who hasn't read the books. I was debating if the Dragon were actually something that existed or a myth, and the eggs and blades, etc, were all other objects just given that name to increase the value, now thanks to that scene we were told point blank, yes they did exist. And beyond that it established Blond-Whiny-Git's family actually ruled for a fairly long time.

I hope they expand Khal Drogo's role soon, I want to know more about him and his people, I've got this feeling they are going to be very important to the plot soon enough, and if they don't develop them ahead of time for us new comers it wont have the same impact that the book readers will feel.

cainx10a:

I honestly think Jon's actor and personality are great, the wall is no summer camp, and things will get harder for him.

And Theon ... screw him ... ASHA!!!! ;)

Regarding Jon (not John? Need to reread books sometime soon), it's not his response to his environment that comes off flat, it's his basic personality that is problematic.

As for Theon... I was disappointed with the direction his character took in the books. That first Asha chapter with him was hilarious though. It get's even better- *scratch that* ALL sex scenes in the books get a lot more hilarious when you imagine the old, bearded George RR Martin writing them.

Giest4life:

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! I hated Sansa in the book, Arya Stark is where it's all at.

The thing is, Martin likes putting weird twists on obvious story lines.

So, to summarize the spoilered bit for those who haven't read the books: Sansa gets more interesting as the story progresses and while Arya is still awesome, Sansa is also worth paying attention to.

Spectrum_Prez:

cainx10a:

I honestly think Jon's actor and personality are great, the wall is no summer camp, and things will get harder for him.

And Theon ... screw him ... ASHA!!!! ;)

Regarding Jon (not John? Need to reread books sometime soon), it's not his response to his environment that comes off flat, it's his basic personality that is problematic.

The name is Jon, like Jon Arryn I guess.

Well, let's look it this way, how many time did he smile or burst out laughing with Sam, Green and Pyp --- his super best friend team :p --- don't really see him as all this extreme brooding character ;) ... and too be honest I also loved Ser Alister interaction with him on both counts in this episode ... I really hated that douche while reading the book

As for Theon... I was disappointed with the direction his character took in the books. That first Asha chapter with him was hilarious though. It get's even better- *scratch that* ALL sex scenes in the books get a lot more hilarious when you imagine the old, bearded George RR Martin writing them.

tkioz:
While I agree on the nudity (and the contemporary swearing... I mean honestly... it's jarring), it really doesn't add anything to the narrative

The only "non contemporary swearing" George R. R. Martin used in the book was "The Others take your X", the rest where all fucks, shits, and arses.

My girlfriend hasn't read the books, but she is really getting into the story and is picking up on the subtleties very quickly, like Robert's bastards and Deany's rise in the khalasar.

Also, she loves Arya, come to think of it, my gf is very Arya-ish.

Also

Speaking as a person who hasn't read the books, I'd say yeah, the bath scene was pandering, but note that just moments later Sansa is taught a different, entirely mundane origin of the Iron Throne. I'm guessing "history is written by the victor" is going to be major theme here.

Also, I'm developing a mancrush on Petyr Baelish.

Did anyone else Squeal like a little girl when Doreah mentioned Dragonglass daggers and a face-changing man? ^^ Or the name drop of Thoros Of Myr?

plugav:

Also, I'm developing a mancrush on Petyr Baelish.

Yeah same here. I honestly never found the character that interesting in the books, but man Aidan Gillen just oozes cool in every scene he's in.

Game Of Thrones Drinking Game:

Rule One: Any time the words 'Lord', 'Whore' or 'Bastard' are uttered; drink.

That is all.

Is it just me or does having blond hair in this world automatically make you evil?

individual11:
Game Of Thrones Drinking Game:

Rule One: Any time the words 'Lord', 'Whore' or 'Bastard' are uttered; drink.

That is all.

Better idea:
Take a drink every time Tyrion does something cool

tkioz:
While I agree on the nudity (and the contemporary swearing... I mean honestly... it's jarring), it really doesn't add anything to the narrative, the bath rub scene was actually very interesting to me, it added some much needed information to someone who hasn't read the books. I was debating if the Dragon were actually something that existed or a myth, and the eggs and blades, etc, were all other objects just given that name to increase the value, now thanks to that scene we were told point blank, yes they did exist. And beyond that it established Blond-Whiny-Git's family actually ruled for a fairly long time.

Perhaps I'm accidentally mixing knowledge of the books with what we've seen in the series, but I could of sworn someone had already mentioned that all the dragons died off and that the last ones were small and sickly. The only real new information was that these dragon skulls used to be kept in the throne room and Doreah hints a few "easter eggs" for fans.

I'll have to rewatch them at some point.

Orange Monkey:
Did anyone else Squeal like a little girl when Doreah mentioned Dragonglass daggers and a face-changing man? ^^ Or the name drop of Thoros Of Myr?

...uh...me :P

Especially the face changing man part. So badass. And hopefully there'll be the melee next episode:

Bwhahahaha Gendry is CHRIS!!! *falls over with early Skins adoration*

On a more serious note, I'm surprised no one mentioned the long awaited shot that showed the vastness of the Khalasar, the cgi massive length extension seemed as clever a trick as any, short of hiring a hundred thousand extras. I've got to say though... some of the events waiting down the line over the next few seasons, have be cringing.... The Red Wedding, the whole affair with a certain ironclad maid and her stuttering squire, at least the way it seems to have ended as of A Feast for Crows....

So far this series is fantastic, with actors being cast almost with exactly what was in my head.

With the exception of Cat, who is older in the TV series than I envisioned and Tyrion (who rubbed me up the wrong way in the books) who I actually like now with such a great actor slotting into the role nicely. Same with Littlefinger, didn't care for him much but he's evolved into something on the screen.

Interesting casting choice with Gendry, the actor is the same as from the UK Skins - and I may be a bit unfair judging him on thirty seconds, but seems he's playing Chris again. Answers why I haven't seen him around since Skins.

On a side note:

Slycne:

Perhaps I'm accidentally mixing knowledge of the books with what we've seen in the series, but I could of sworn someone had already mentioned that all the dragons died off and that the last ones were small and sickly. The only real new information was that these dragon skulls used to be kept in the throne room and Doreah hints a few "easter eggs" for fans.

nope, that's all new stuff.

the only info on dragons we've had beforehand was doreah's story about the moon being an egg and the dothraki saying it's a silly legend and that dragons were killed off years ago.

I've been meaning to pick up the books and knock them out. So far I like the show a lot but some of by buddies can't seem to upgrade to it from "Camelot".

I really enjoyed this episode, especially all of the Littlefinger scenes, but I hope that's not the end of the Hand's Tourney. The books had a lot of interplay between Sansa and Loras Tyrell that comes into play later, and a scene that would show off just how monstrous and dangerous the Mountain That Rides really is. While on the topic of Loras, has any one else been missing Renly? I know he was introduced, but hasn't really shown up again. I suppose that's because there has only been two very short chances to see the small council meeting.

Raoul_Duke:
I really enjoyed this episode, especially all of the Littlefinger scenes, but I hope that's not the end of the Hand's Tourney. The books had a lot of interplay between Sansa and Loras Tyrell that comes into play later, and a scene that would show off just how monstrous and dangerous the Mountain That Rides really is. While on the topic of Loras, has any one else been missing Renly? I know he was introduced, but hasn't really shown up again. I suppose that's because there has only been two very short chances to see the small council meeting.

Renly was standing, a few rows back, and there really wasn't much on him in the book, other than he was a very metrosexual man, always dressing up like the good city-folk he is :p. And pretty sure from the trailers, there is a part deux to the Hand's Tourney with the scene betwen S and L you are talking about.

 

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