Episode 5: The Wolf and the Lion

Episode 5: The Wolf and the Lion

Tyrion and Ned have more in common than they'd like this week.

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I think that they'll be so concerned with the dothraki near the ocean, they'll forget about the coming winter and the wall's protection. Thats where Ned will come in, and have to defend the kingdoms from Winterfell. I'm sure there will be lots of, as the king says, "backstabbing, scheming, arse-licking" until then though. I'm looking forward to seeing Ned go rescue his wife from the mad sister's tower. I reckon that soldier who said "Give me 10 good men and some climbing stakes" was a hint to how confident Ned would be to get his wife and her prisoner back, after being threatened so much by the Lannister douchebag.

Having read the first book, I find it interesting how close the cards still are to the makers chest.

Also Deviluk's idealism is hilarious in hindsight... this tale gets a lot darker from here on in.

I don't think that Ned is a prisoner at the end of the episode. Jamie and host left him lying on the ground with parting words of something to the effect "remember, i want my brother back". This was a warning.

I'm a bit confused. The episode I saw faded out with Jaime's men leaving, not taking Ned captive, and Littlefinger supposedly 'going to get the city watch' (although that may have been just a ruse so he could get out of what was likely going to devolve into a melee).

Angers me so much, that I got to watch the first episode, forgot to watch the second, then when I went to watch the third I found out that for some inexplicable reason I no longer had HBO. >.<

And I see some people confused: Ned is NOT a prisoner at the end of this episode. They killed his men, and his horse fell on him and wounded him. As someone whose read the books several times, I know. Ned doesn't become a prisoner till later.

Sarpedon:
Angers me so much, that I got to watch the first episode, forgot to watch the second, then when I went to watch the third I found out that for some inexplicable reason I no longer had HBO. >.<

And I see some people confused: Ned is NOT a prisoner at the end of this episode. They killed his men, and his horse fell on him and wounded him. As someone whose read the books several times, I know. Ned doesn't become a prisoner till later.

They changed it from the book, so no horse fell on him. Also, zeeeee Mountain was riding a rather beautiful horse, sad to see it go down this way. :(

Sarpedon:
Angers me so much, that I got to watch the first episode, forgot to watch the second, then when I went to watch the third I found out that for some inexplicable reason I no longer had HBO. >.<

And I see some people confused: Ned is NOT a prisoner at the end of this episode. They killed his men, and his horse fell on him and wounded him. As someone whose read the books several times, I know. Ned doesn't become a prisoner till later.

The show doesn't follow the books exactly. Some scenes are combined, others completely invented.

I thought it was implied that, given the spear in the back of his leg, Jaime's men were taking Ned into custody, but perhaps that's premature. We have to see how it plays out next week.

The breast feeding scene kinda got me this episode.

I had to take a breather.

Tdc2182:
The breast feeding scene kinda got me this episode.

I had to take a breather.

I knew it was going to happen but, it still made cringe. My wife even looked away.

I see, well forgive me, as I said I no longer have HBO for some reason, so I didn't get to watch it myself. But since it's a key element of the story, I'd imagine that they would follow along with Ned not being taken prisoner till later.

I can't wait for everyone's reaction when this season is done. Trust me, whatever idea you have, it's probably wrong. Sooooo much shit happens it's not even funny.

The Ser Loras and Renly scene was completely added in, but makes so much sense.
In retrospect, I don't know why I didn't see it was obvious earlier.

Tdc2182:
The breast feeding scene kinda got me this episode.

I had to take a breather.

Definitely a weird scene but I had to wonder how they got that kid to do that. Obviously they didn't just hire some kid to suckle at a real breast but was it digital added or just a nice big fat rubber teat? (I'm constantly ruining my viewing experience by analyzing how things were done :D )

The series looks good so far. In regards to this episode, I think the thing that was on my mind the entire time was the fact that there were no Dothraki scenes this week. Other than that the three things that stuck out to me this week were a) the breast-feeding scene, mostly because of the age of the kid more than anything else (between this, Jaime and Cersei's little thing in the watch-tower, and that wierd intro scene for Daenerys and Viserys, there seems to be a lot of "family love" going on in this series), b) that Tyrion saved Catelyn, in which while I get he wouldn't be anywhere better by letting her die I do find it interesting that he saves the women who accuses him of trying to assassinate her son, making me wonder if he was actually involved or was chosen as a scapegoat, and c) that again the other basterd child of the King has black hair as well, as it furthers my theory that the reason why the book with all the royal lines is relevant is because it indicates how Bob should only be having children with black hair, yet all his children have blonde hair, indication of Cersei's affair and perhaps why Jon Aryn was killed by Her and her brother.

Captcha: cenferi line

Lord Inglip, are you saying that there is another royal family line that we do not know about!? I shall inform the others! It shall make for some good water cooler time in the temple!

Susan Arendt:

Sarpedon:
Angers me so much, that I got to watch the first episode, forgot to watch the second, then when I went to watch the third I found out that for some inexplicable reason I no longer had HBO. >.<

And I see some people confused: Ned is NOT a prisoner at the end of this episode. They killed his men, and his horse fell on him and wounded him. As someone whose read the books several times, I know. Ned doesn't become a prisoner till later.

The show doesn't follow the books exactly. Some scenes are combined, others completely invented.

I thought it was implied that, given the spear in the back of his leg, Jaime's men were taking Ned into custody, but perhaps that's premature. We have to see how it plays out next week.

I just watched it again (thank you DVR), and Jaime's men definitely leave the courtyard with Jaime saying words to the effect of "I want my brother back". Ned then collapses from the spear in the thigh.

So, I think it's safe to say that Ned will not be taken prisoner this time... and I guess that spear didn't hit his femoral artery (fortunately)...

Now I know 1 is a fucking bigger number than five. A curious property of man-numbers.

Umm, Ned wasn't taken captive. He's stabbed in the leg and Jaime and his soldier's all leave.

edit: now I see this has been mentioned.

Sarpedon:
Angers me so much, that I got to watch the first episode, forgot to watch the second, then when I went to watch the third I found out that for some inexplicable reason I no longer had HBO. >.<

And I see some people confused: Ned is NOT a prisoner at the end of this episode. They killed his men, and his horse fell on him and wounded him. As someone whose read the books several times, I know. Ned doesn't become a prisoner till later.

sigh, don't post spoilers.

Eternal_Lament:
The series looks good so far. In regards to this episode, I think the thing that was on my mind the entire time was the fact that there were no Dothraki scenes this week. Other than that the three things that stuck out to me this week were a) the breast-feeding scene, mostly because of the age of the kid more than anything else (between this, Jaime and Cersei's little thing in the watch-tower, and that wierd intro scene for Daenerys and Viserys, there seems to be a lot of "family love" going on in this series), b) that Tyrion saved Catelyn, in which while I get he wouldn't be anywhere better by letting her die I do find it interesting that he saves the women who accuses him of trying to assassinate her son, making me wonder if he was actually involved or was chosen as a scapegoat, and c) that again the other basterd child of the King has black hair as well, as it furthers my theory that the reason why the book with all the royal lines is relevant is because it indicates how Bob should only be having children with black hair, yet all his children have blonde hair, indication of Cersei's affair and perhaps why Jon Aryn was killed by Her and her brother.

Captcha: cenferi line

Lord Inglip, are you saying that there is another royal family line that we do not know about!? I shall inform the others! It shall make for some good water cooler time in the temple!

It's always fun knowing how the story turns out and watching others grasp in the dark.

I haven't read any of the books (they look very interesting) and I will try to do so, if I have time :P.

Regarding the topic, what I think is forcing King Robert to assassinate Daenerys is part of a big plan. This assassination it self will give enough reasons to Khal Drog to invade Seven Kingdoms. I have a feeling if this assassination happens, there will be plenty of leads that point towards King Robert. We know that some people want to see Wolves fight against Lions, and I think that same people want to see this assassination happens.

Also I love to the role White Walkers have to play in this. If Khal Drog finds a way to to Severn Kingdoms through northern boarders, will his entire horde/ most of his horde get destroyed by White Walkers?

Besides "Winter is coming", Do you remember what happened to Nazis who invaded USSR during the winder in WW2?

As soon as Jaime Lannister stabbed Ned's guard captain, i knew ned wouold kick his arse, and hopefully he shall do in a later episode, good to see some action finally, but yer, great deal of fun, loving this series

Oooo, this is fun, book fans can watch us ignorantly stumbling in the dark. :D I got the feeling that shit has hit the fan in this episode, and my book-fan friends tell me I'm right. I'm still thinking in classic fantasy terms like this gentleman:

Deviluk:
sneep

...and the response I got was, "Oooh boy, you're in for a traumatic disappointment." Apparently, they could afford so many good actors because...

.

Anyway, very complicated and verbose episode, mind-blowing amounts of content, with a surprisingly large amount of fighting (if you count the Varys/Baelish verbal sparring, that's 4 fights). I need to find a stream somewhere and watch it again.

EDIT: Oh, right, I mean to ask, where is Tywin Lannister? I see him on the cast listing all the time, and he's been mentioned by a few characters, but the series is already halfway done and we've yet to see him.

Seneschal:

EDIT: Oh, right, I mean to ask, where is Tywin Lannister? I see him on the cast listing all the time, and he's been mentioned by a few characters, but the series is already halfway done and we've yet to see him.

The first season is half-way done, but Tywin doesn't show up until the second season. Or is it the third? I lose track sometimes.

Seneschal:
Oooo, this is fun, book fans can watch us ignorantly stumbling in the dark. :D I got the feeling that shit has hit the fan in this episode, and my book-fan friends tell me I'm right. I'm still thinking in classic fantasy terms like this gentleman:

Deviluk:
sneep

...and the response I got was, "Oooh boy, you're in for a traumatic disappointment." Apparently, they could afford so many good actors because half of the cast gets killed off in the next few episodes.

Doesn't that count as a spoiler? You know, the kind you were meant to put in tags? ;)

Anyway, I liked this episode. Also I can't wait to find out what Maude is - is it simply what they named that cliff? Or is it a giant bird, or something else entirely?

While trying to get a little more info on the characters and locations in my series, I did a little reasearch on wikipedia and.... well, I really regret exposing myself to the storyline of the books. A Song of Ice and Fire is not a happy tale, hopefully they will take some creative liberties.

But on the topic of this current episode, I dont think that Ned was taken captive, I believe it was more of a threat / ultimatum from Jamie. Also, I think that King Robert is going to reconcile with Ned as he is surrounded by threats and without allies in Kings Landing.

OhJohnNo:

Seneschal:
Oooo, this is fun, book fans can watch us ignorantly stumbling in the dark. :D I got the feeling that shit has hit the fan in this episode, and my book-fan friends tell me I'm right. I'm still thinking in classic fantasy terms like this gentleman:

Deviluk:
sneep

...and the response I got was, "Oooh boy, you're in for a traumatic disappointment." Apparently, they could afford so many good actors because of bla bla bla (?).

Doesn't that count as a spoiler? You know, the kind you were meant to put in tags? ;)

Anyway, I liked this episode. Also I can't wait to find out what Maude is - is it simply what they named that cliff? Or is it a giant bird, or something else entirely?

Oh, right. Sorry. I thought it was the series' reputation, even among non-readers, that it'll be offing people left and right; I know a few people that started watching just to bet who gets shafted first. However, if some newbie approached it with light-hearted expectations, he might be pleasantly surprised by the... demises (or shocked enough to stop watching), so I should probably put it in spoiler tags.

Though, it'll be un-spoilertagged in your quote.

Sarpedon:
Angers me so much, that I got to watch the first episode, forgot to watch the second, then when I went to watch the third I found out that for some inexplicable reason I no longer had HBO. >.<

And I see some people confused: Ned is NOT a prisoner at the end of this episode. They killed his men, and his horse fell on him and wounded him. As someone whose read the books several times, I know. Ned doesn't become a prisoner till later.

NYAAAA, spoiler. I don't want to know that it will occur, I assumed from just watching the episode that he wasn't and won't be but now. . . I should stop reading comments if I don't want spoilers. . .oh by the way, *Semi-spoil here*:

NOTE: I didn't read past the quoted comment since it is apparent no one even bothers telling people not to read past a spoil warning, or blocking text. . .Please do if you will spoil. . .

Great recap as always. I think I preferred the more detailed ones but this still covers all the points quit well.

As for the threat of the Dothraki it seems real enough. If their aren't enough spare troops to guard the capital during a stinkin joust I doubt there would be enough to oppose even a half hearted landing of horse warriors. And the cost of even trying would probably bankrupt the kingdom.

What I don't get is Ned's whole objection to killing Daenerys. I mean he's a seasoned warrior badass and I doubt he sat down with every peasant conscript armed with a spear to ask them how innocent or guilty they were in the grand scheme of things. Alright she's a women but again I doubt Ned demanded each and every opponent fought on the battlefield prove their gender and chances are their were at least a couple of girlfriends trying to avenge fallen lovers or at least trying to get a steady meal through cross dressing as a soldier in an otherwise war torn wasteland. Heck Ned seems to have no problem threatening Cersei so why the whole snafu over another lady noble... I mean other then to get the whole plot moving and stuff...

 

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