Zero Punctuation: Brink

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That was a brilliant drinking game. I counted 5 shots, but they were in such a rapid succession, it would be quite a party. So, we'll get to see L.A. Noire next week? BTW, I couldn't get into the comments for the last 5 minutes, it seems that ZP traffic is slowing down the whole site quite badly.

RedEyesBlackGamer:
I was scared off this one by reviews. A single player that doesn't really have a story? I'll pass.
EDIT: Multiplayer maps with bots is not how you do single player.

it is how Unreal Tournament does Single Player.

Yeah. Yeah your right. It is a stupid Idea.

I'm going to go play Team Fortress 2 *Takes a shot*

you know normally i dont totally agree with everything yatzee says, but this time? yeah pretty much spot on. the very first analogy in my head was: TF2 with an abysmal attempt at a story that sucked. i tried to keep play but L.A. Noire called like a... like a.... better game.

bdcjacko:
Didn't Monday Night Combat already do the Team Fortress 2 rip off, and do it better?

no yust, no. Brink really isnt that much like TF2 the only thing people say are simillair is the classes but there alot more like battlefield.
MNC classes was alot more like TF2 but the gameplay was more like tower defence/third person shooter.

Solo-Wing:

RedEyesBlackGamer:
EDIT: Multiplayer maps with bots is not how you do single player.

it is how Unreal Tournament does Single Player.

TF2 (take a shot) implemented an "offline with bots" mode. They called it "Offline Practice." Which is what it is.

Thespian:

Silas13013:

I did and...

Nope, still one of the worst games I've ever had the misfortune of buying.

For once, I agree with everything Yahtzee said in his review. I knew Brink would suck, I knew it, but I bought it anyway and I'm out $30 bucks (thank you newegg preferred members discounts for hacking the price in half). Oh well, I guess I'll go back to Tf2(take a shot)

By peoples I did not, shockingly, mean the first person to read that post... I was generally addressing the game reviewing community, since they hold so much power over who buys what... and I was also being facetious...

Don't worry, I wasn't singling you out specifically, it was just a segway into my opinion on the game. I apologize if it seemed if I was calling you out in any way.

Both the jelly bean-covered wedding cake and the constant "take a shot" interrupting all the ZP characters had me snorting my lunch out my nose. Shame about the game, as it's probably one of the biggest let downs of 2011, but at least I got a hilarious ZP out of it.

PS:.....TF2 (take a shot)

So your telling me i can have a wedding cake AND cover it in jellybeans? I see no problem with that.

Yeah, I watched the 'wtf is brink' video, and couldn't figure out how the parkour system really felt like parkour. It literally just looked like a jump that involved a ledge grab. To m that's not parkour - that's everything we all did back in the days of the N64 when maps weren't just random landscapes filled with space marines or US marines shooting at tyranids or terrorists.

Etek:
Hello dumbass reviewer. Yes, we have figured out by now you suck on Valve's dick, balls and tits for a living. 'Someone who played TF2 allot', you moron, you don't even play multiplayer games, remember?

And Brink doesn't copy TF2 you stupid fuck, it's an enemy territory game you idiot, look it up. What a looser.

Loser*

The Great JT:

Solo-Wing:

RedEyesBlackGamer:
EDIT: Multiplayer maps with bots is not how you do single player.

it is how Unreal Tournament does Single Player.

TF2 (take a shot) implemented an "offline with bots" mode. They called it "Offline Practice." Which is what it is.

Yeah but is is an entire campaign of offline matches with bots with a story loosely tied to it? No? Well that is how Unreal Tournament does it. And it is retarded.

Team Fortress 2 *Shot* offline gameplay is just to screw around in pretty much. Pretty simple. No real objectives or story, hell you can just sit in the corner as the Soldier blowing yourself up just for the hell of it and the bots won't say anything about it.

I tend to agree with everything Yahtzee said here.. including that he didn't "get" it.

I mean, one of the things he didn't get is that it's not really a class based shooter. In TF2, your class is everything. It's how you approach the game, it's how your enemies deal with you, etc. In Brink, your class is just a specialization. Your enemies don't deal with you any differently if you're a medic than if you're a soldier because you've got most of the same abilities regardless.

And that works in reverse as well. Whether you're a medic or a soldier, you have the same basic abilities to deal with threats. Where your class starts to matter is when you start to get really good. Then those minor differences between classes (soldiers with more grenades, medics with self-revive) start to make a difference. Actually, it's kind of like dealing with the differences in a specific class in TF2 now. Does that pyro have a backburner or a regular flamethrower? Bow and arrow, or sniper rifle? That's the kind of difference that the "class" of Brink makes.

But the real "classes" like TF2 have are in the body types, heavy, light, and medium. And like in TF2, those are instantly distinctive. You know if you see a heavy, he's probably going to have a gun that will tear you apart, so you need to definitely stay out of his line of fire. You also know if you see a light, he'll probably go down quick.. if you can manage to draw a bead on him.

Unfortunately, Splash Damage made some bad decisions in the early game by limiting what you can do early on. I imagine this was to get people used to the basic gameplay at first, because there's a lot of stuff going on, but they still didn't succeed in making it less than overwhelming, and they took out a good portion of what makes the game the game a fun and truly competitve tactical experience. And I think first impressions are going to limit their audience. Hopefully some of the pro crowd will spend more time with it and noise of it will spread from there.

Urh:
Odd that Yahtzee would criticise Brink for forcing people to unlock content and kindly ignore that TF2 (take a drink) did the same thing with the early class packs, (i.e. tying item unlocks to achievements, which was then supplemented with the utterly horrid random drop/crafting/microtransaction system they have now). Kudos to him for reiterating that the TF2 (take a drink) hats completely ruined the game's aesthetic (which, if you listen to the in-game commentary, Valve spent a *lot* of time obsessing over during development).

If you read back in his Extra Punctuation stuff, that dynamic was why he doesn't play TF2 anymore.

OT: I dunno about brink, either. I bought it, played it for about eighteen minutes, shook my head and closed it and can't summon the energy to try again.

Etek:
Hello dumbass reviewer. Yes, we have figured out by now you suck on Valve's dick, balls and tits for a living. 'Someone who played TF2 allot', you moron, you don't even play multiplayer games, remember?

And Brink doesn't copy TF2 you stupid fuck, it's an enemy territory game you idiot, look it up. What a looser.

He's so loose that guy...

Brink was made by Splash Damage, not Bethesda.

Just thought I'd throw that out there.

Better not put away the bottle just yet, lads. I'm willing to bet you a penny to a pound we'll see TF2 *takes a swig of Captain Morgan* mentioned quite a bit in the Extra Punctuation as well.

BTW...if he DOES do Witcher 2 in his next review, I'm hoping to see another "THIS IS A MMORPGER" comment from him. Actually, I'm kind of expecting it.

Speaking of drunk...why is the Captcha always showing one word as if it were doubled over as if the program making it was drunk? Maybe it was "struck teletto" like my current Captcha was.

When he says "use button" what he actually means is penis. Think about it.
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Also, I fundamentally disagree with what he said about Mirror's Edge -- if there is one thing that game taught us its that parkour from the 1st is definitely how it should be done if your game is going to be largely based around it. Compare the parkour of Mirror's Edge to Assassin's Creed. AC is much easier, but its nowhere NEAR as exhilerating, fun or breathtaking as Mirror's Edge's and that is almost entirely because of the perspective.

Was it me or was this game all over the place before it came out? I remember seeing it's name everywhere in little places and in escapist articles. maybe that's just me. Anyways I'm not really a fan on the idea of buying a game just for the multiplayer doesn't seem very fun when you only have a finite amount of places to play in and of course fun is Dependant on the community.

Was it me or was this game all over the place before it came out? I remember seeing it's name everywhere in little places and in escapist articles. maybe that's just me. Anyways I'm not really a fan on the idea of buying a game just for the multiplayer doesn't seem very fun when you only have a finite amount of places to play in and of course fun is Dependant on the community.

Tonimata:
5 Shots? Come on Yahtzee, you could've done much worse! I actually paused to go get a bottle of whisky, mainly because I don't feel like working this afternoon and need an excuse.

Yeah, I prefer the take a shot every time Jack Bauer says "Damn it." Usually feeling pretty good by the end of an episode.

Brink is much more like Enemy Territory than TF2. Although it's not an entirely out of place comparison, I found Brink to be much more like RTCW.

Kwil:
I tend to agree with everything Yahtzee said here.. including that he didn't "get" it.

I mean, one of the things he didn't get is that it's not really a class based shooter. In TF2, your class is everything. It's how you approach the game, it's how your enemies deal with you, etc. In Brink, your class is just a specialization. Your enemies don't deal with you any differently if you're a medic than if you're a soldier because you've got most of the same abilities regardless.

And that works in reverse as well. Whether you're a medic or a soldier, you have the same basic abilities to deal with threats. Where your class starts to matter is when you start to get really good. Then those minor differences between classes (soldiers with more grenades, medics with self-revive) start to make a difference. Actually, it's kind of like dealing with the differences in a specific class in TF2 now. Does that pyro have a backburner or a regular flamethrower? Bow and arrow, or sniper rifle? That's the kind of difference that the "class" of Brink makes.

But the real "classes" like TF2 have are in the body types, heavy, light, and medium. And like in TF2, those are instantly distinctive. You know if you see a heavy, he's probably going to have a gun that will tear you apart, so you need to definitely stay out of his line of fire. You also know if you see a light, he'll probably go down quick.. if you can manage to draw a bead on him.

Agreed. I always thought the bodytypes have the most profound effect on gameplay, and each bodytype effects how each class can be played as well. Although ultimately, each classes most important purpose is interacting with the objective, they do start to become quite distinct from each other once you unlock abilities that they play quite differently from each other.

I do like the game, even though I do agree with almost everything yahtzee said. I hope once they patch up all of the technical issues and release some content, the game will get a lot stronger. It definitely has potential.

This drinking game has a fatal flaw, it involves giving Yahtzee the power to hurt you.

On a scale from one to ten I'm sooooo drunk.

OT: I believe Brink would have been a good game had they given the developers more time to finish it.

lol, I love the amount of people who say they don't 'get' this game, despite the fact we're the hipsters of the gaming world and criticize those who don't like indie or 'artistic' games and 'get' everything.
Anyway, I much prefer Brink to TF2 because of the customization, parkour and weapons that are actually good.

I think it's sad to say that I enjoyed the drinking game in this episode more than Brink. Alas, I am now out of booze.

I agree that the game seems to have very little value for the full price you pay for it (from what Ive seen of it), I just wish that yahtzee didnt have such a bad experience with first person platforming as I absolutely loved the controls and gameplay of Mirrors Edge.

I'm sorry, but if you think that platforming doesn't work in first person, you just aren't use to platformers. I found the first person view very engrossing for Mirror's Edge and can't believe it took this long for someone to try it. Frankly, in some instances I find understanding my position relative to the world much easier (for obvious reasons). I definitely don't think developers should stop trying out the perspective, and from Yatzee's review of Mirror's Edge in the past, it's safer to assume he just sucked at the game. Now, as for Brink and it's "parkour" style running, I think it's pretty cool, but I don't like how it's compared to Mirror's Edge. Mirror's Edge requires timed button presses and combinations thereof. Brink's is more like Assassin's Creed. I'd really like to play an FPS that uses Mirror's Edge controls and mechanics, including hanging from ledges and climbing up polls. Plus the melee combat. That'd be one sweet online shooter.

Also, he and other's sure do rip on hats a lot. I will agree, there are a TON of them, but they do let the player differentiate themselves between others of the same class. Now if Valve would give back the team colored stripe for the tossle... Even with the hats though, the silhouettes are still easily identifiable. I like character customization, but if in Brink you can't tell between a medic and a soldier, that's a bad thing.

Best part was the grenade strapped to a rake joke.

Don't put away the bottle yet LOL. Oh man i haven't laughed so hard in a whyle now!

Seeing President Obama tell Russia to stop screen watching made my day.

That was hilarious, a grand review of course. Also, a single player campaign with no story to it? I'd not think that a game like Brink would lack one, that makes me pretty sad no doubt.. *sigh*. Anyways hope Marvel vs Capcom 3 gets reviewed soon.

Um, Yahtzee, no disrespect but, don't "Lefty troublemakers" SUPPORT inefficient union workers that you criticized in your Minecraft review?

Undead Dragon King:
Listening to the choices that Bethesda made for Brink, especially when compared to Team Fortress 2, really makes me wonder just how much ACTUAL playtesting and QA went into making this game. Every design decision seems to be counter-intuitive to making an effective class-based multiplayer shooter.

Bethesda is becoming quite well known for their lack of QA.

Fallout 3, New Vegas and Oblivion were all littered with bugs. New Vegas didn't seem too bad but that was mostly handled by Obsidian.

Time to start a new meme? Any time you write Team Fortress 2 or TF2, you have to add "(take a shot)".

Brilliant stuff, as always Yahtzee!

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