The Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings Review

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Rationalization:
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I shouldn't have specified what kind of fanboy, but that was my first thought considering some of the ignorant comments coming from their users.

By no means am I suggesting that the W2 is perfect, far from it. The issue that some people are apparently having is DA2 was reviewed as being a perfect game, while the W2 is heavily flawed and not as good by the same person who said:

[DA2 is] A pinnacle of role-playing games with well-designed mechanics and excellent story-telling, Dragon Age II is what videogames are meant to be.

I personally thought DA2 was far from being perfect, minus combat improvements it wasn't any better than the original. While W2, though I enjoyed it, wasn't perfect either though a significant improvement on the original.

I honestly don't care what anyone else thinks. I've already bought my copy, played it, and loved it. People need to just let it go, but I still raised an eye brow upon reading all of this.

I also realize that reviews are all subjective, but it may have been better to have a different person do the review to avoid situations such as this.

Zhukov:
*sigh*

This review sure has the fanatics crawling out of the woodwork like rats.

Anyway, I'm not finding the game all that difficult. Except for the dragon part. Not gonna lie, that was utter balls.

Well, we knew it would be all downhill after giving Dragon Age 2 a perfect score. Now everybody's favorite game is going to be compared to that. "You gave DA2 a 5 but gave THIS a 3?" But in this instance, where we're comparing apples to apples, RPG to RPG, it really makes the least amount of sense. I guess targeting an RPG playing audience with an RPG is what drops your score down 1.5 points these days. Targeting Devil May Cry/CoD players with your RPGs is what's cool these days.

WaaghPowa:

By no means am I suggesting that the W2 is perfect, far from it.

Oops, that perfect quote was directed at someone else. Specificly the guy who made the jim sterling witcher 2 rant thread. Not towards you, my last quote just came after yours.

Rationalization:

I've slotted vigor for armor, and put points in vigor for character, I've worked my way to the last point in signs. Pretty sure I've also mutated to get more in signs, but that may have been dmg or range. I've done all I could to increase vigor, but still only 2 bars lol.

You might've missed the talent that gives you a straight boost to vigor capacity.

This game was the most immersive RPG I have played for a LONG time. This beats the pants off of Dragon Age 2, or as I like to call it, Ride Along Dragon 2.

I had ALOT of difficulty to begin with. The combat system is not easy to get used to and the initial tooltips and ability prompts are so easily missed I did in fact miss more than half of them, who knew I could hit space bar?

This is the first RPG where the pacing of the story and the events really gave me an idea that I didnt have all the time in the world to get things done. I was wholly immersed in the story and whether to go for love or duty.

CDProject have beaten Bioware IMO. They have created the ground works for some fantastic future itterations. I loved the crafting, gambling and fighting systems. The fact that there were people around me but I had no control over was a refreshing change.

Also the choices that you need to make in this game are HARD!

Overall a 9/10 due to the first peice of the game and sometimes rediculous quests. I should also mention I loved Dragon Age 1, but I actually think this one had a much faster pace and was more immersive.

bob1052:

Rationalization:

I've slotted vigor for armor, and put points in vigor for character, I've worked my way to the last point in signs. Pretty sure I've also mutated to get more in signs, but that may have been dmg or range. I've done all I could to increase vigor, but still only 2 bars lol.

You might've missed the talent that gives you a straight boost to vigor capacity.

Well, don't I look like an idiot? 1 vigor = 1 bar. For some reason all my clothing and character specializations were in regeneration instead of a flat boost to the max. I'll edit my original stuff to reflect this. I think it's a great game, I just think this foamed mouth defense that some people are giving is really silly.

Rationalization:

I've slotted vigor for armor, and put points in vigor for character, I've worked my way to the last point in signs. Pretty sure I've also mutated to get more in signs, but that may have been dmg or range. I've done all I could to increase vigor, but still only 2 bars lol.

That's really odd, since I know I have 3. I'll check again later to make sure. Another glitch maybe? (edit: never mind, other dude figured it out)

Rationalization:
The wind happens everytime I'm outside in part 2 with dialogue. Especially when talking to the Palpatine looking mage. I always play with subtitles because I like to run my own music in the background, I usually just want dialogue sound to stay on. It also happened in flotsam I think with the background chatter. It's as loud as the person talking for some reason. I have to turn off my own music, max out regular sound and just deal with the ridiculous wind. I havn't gotten past the part after you cross through the fog, becuase the combat freezing glitch ruined my save. I'll play again but I have to commit to losing close to 2 hours of play time.

Oh snap, didn't realize it got to that point later on. I'm still meandering about Flotsam after dealing with the Kayran and some other stuff after that. I only have a couple hours each night to play. As an aside, you might want to listen to some of the ambient noise every once in a while. They did a great job with it.

Most of the flaws he's pointing out are accurate, but no way in hell they are worth a clean 30% chop in the score, not in my book. This looked like Yahtzee grasping for straws, without the humour part.

beastrn:
Hey reviewer, do you review books? If someone asked you to review a novel from one of the most respected writers, would you say yes? No, no you wouldn't. You wouldn't because you know that your grasp of literature, your experience with books and your understanding of difficult written concepts is weak.

It's the same here. Why are you even reviewing video games? Who are you? You're obvious terrible at them. You obviously don't understand how to press a button a read a journal. You're just a baby raised on golden trails and compasses.

Why are you reviewing games if you're terrible at them?

Why do you care so much what someone else thinks of this game? Yes, it's good, but he has legitimate concerns. Just because they didn't bother you when playing doesn't mean you need to attack his integrity as a reviewer.

rsvp42:

sta697:
after giving da2 5 stars with the one location boring characters and no story how can you give this 3.this just doesnt add up.

In DA2's defense, the characters were the highlight. Really unique and had some great banter. It also had many locations, they were simply reused too many times, which is the main issue with the game. Well, that and the exploding bodies. And it had a story, it was just episodic instead of being one long epic.

no the story of da2 is in the sequel also intresting banter isnt intresting characters also the 10 locations in a 40 hour long campaing isnt many

rsvp42:

That's really odd, since I know I have 3. I'll check again later to make sure. Another glitch maybe?

Oh snap, didn't realize it got to that point later on. I'm still meandering about Flotsam after dealing with the Kayran and some other stuff after that. I only have a couple hours each night to play. As an aside, you might want to listen to some of the ambient noise every once in a while. They did a great job with it.

Yeah, @bob1052 Pointed out that I had missed the flat boosts, and was going in to regeneration.

After you leave flotsam, it gets REALLY windy lol. I listened to the ambience for a while but hearing the same drunk song 100+ times while trying to find something for the troll DLC is extremely annoying. Also, after you leave Flotsam about 3 guys call out another guys name for hours. And it's really loud, they don't stop till you find him. And I can't not listen to it = P, the sound adjustment is just music/everything else. They really should have added an ambience adjustment.

Edit: Playing again, the last loadable save was 1 1/2 hours from the glitched save, oh well. I like the game, just think some people are being silly here.

beastrn:
Hey reviewer, do you review books? If someone asked you to review a novel from one of the most respected writers, would you say yes? No, no you wouldn't. You wouldn't because you know that your grasp of literature, your experience with books and your understanding of difficult written concepts is weak.

It's the same here. Why are you even reviewing video games? Who are you? You're obvious terrible at them. You obviously don't understand how to press a button a read a journal. You're just a baby raised on golden trails and compasses.

Why are you reviewing games if you're terrible at them?

And here lies the problem. I may not agree with Tito's score here or for Dragon Age 2, but a smart person would not use them as a basis to launch personal attacks for having a different opinion.

So he doesn't like the game as much, get over it. Greg Tito reviews games because he is a game reviewer. I can also be a game reviewer, you want to know why? Because it means giving your opinion on a game. You have no right to throw insults around because he disagrees with you. I don't see anywhere in the review where he attacked you personally, or anyone who enjoys The Witcher 2 for that matter.

Get over it, and good luck hanging around the boards with this kind of attitude.

clearly , they got the wrong dude to review the game. I can understand the first part of the game being frustrating. but even on hard i never died on anything other than the quick time sequences. In fact ,dare i say this review is a text book example of how the current age of dumbed down console ports ( in which the players hand is held so much that the damn games might as well play them selves) has ruined a generation of gamers.

the witcher series are titles from an indi developer. its not gona be your callofdragonage2 clone.

you'd think with all the fable games we have had that the dodge parry attack formula would be familiar by now. Rather the only thing that i had trouble with was finding which buttons do the blocking parrying etc. ( which 30 seconds of button pressing later solved that conundrum).

its very sad that the current gaming community is so damn inpatient that they would refuse to do the three or four minutes of reading needed to get the control scheme down.

frankly i am glad they didn't do a "hold your hand day care tutorial" as generally most tutorials are done in such a way as the very act of doing them feels hollow and unnatural (" if anyone has played the dawn of war 2 series you will know how much damage a poorly done tutorial can murder immersion"

its about time we got something that isnt afraid to kick you while you are down.

i am not saying the reviewer was bad or anything, but what i am saying is that he was not the best choice to review this game

Rationalization:

After you leave flotsam, it gets REALLY windy lol. I listened to the ambience for a while but hearing the same drunk song 100+ times while trying to find something for the troll DLC is extremely annoying. Also, after you leave Flotsam about 3 guys call out another guys name for hours. And it's really loud, they don't stop till you find him. And I can't not listen to it = P, the sound adjustment is just music/everything else. They really should have added an ambience adjustment.

True. I misinterpreted what you meant when you said you play your own music while playing.

Rationalization:

rsvp42:

That's really odd, since I know I have 3. I'll check again later to make sure. Another glitch maybe?

Oh snap, didn't realize it got to that point later on. I'm still meandering about Flotsam after dealing with the Kayran and some other stuff after that. I only have a couple hours each night to play. As an aside, you might want to listen to some of the ambient noise every once in a while. They did a great job with it.

Yeah, @bob1052 Pointed out that I had missed the flat boosts, and was going in to regeneration.

After you leave flotsam, it gets REALLY windy lol. I listened to the ambience for a while but hearing the same drunk song 100+ times while trying to find something for the troll DLC is extremely annoying. Also, after you leave Flotsam about 3 guys call out another guys name for hours. And it's really loud, they don't stop till you find him. And I can't not listen to it = P, the sound adjustment is just music/everything else. They really should have added an ambience adjustment.

Just out of curiousity, which choice did you make at the end of Chapter 1?

Felix Arturo Macias Ibarra:
The games looks amazing, but its true I got burned by that frigging dragon at the beginning and died like 13 times because I didn't knew wth to do and the "tutorial" was just a few in game windows that appeared for like 2 seconds before banishing making me check my journal to read what they were trying to tell me. Its like they never play tested the damn thing.

You mean you didnt see the flashing 'push the right mouse button to duck' Key?

I died there 3 times myself but its not hard to left click run right click and run some more.

maddhatter190:
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I was playing on Normal and had a lot of trouble at first. This was because I'm used to games at least explaining their combat system. It doesn't have to be mandatory. I would have loved an optional tutorial for players like myself who didn't play the first one.

bob1052:

Just out of curiousity, which choice did you make at the end of Chapter 1?

I sided with:

IamGamer41:

Felix Arturo Macias Ibarra:
The games looks amazing, but its true I got burned by that frigging dragon at the beginning and died like 13 times because I didn't knew wth to do and the "tutorial" was just a few in game windows that appeared for like 2 seconds before banishing making me check my journal to read what they were trying to tell me. Its like they never play tested the damn thing.

You mean you didnt see the flashing 'push the right mouse button to duck' Key?

I died there 3 times myself but its not hard to left click run right click and run some more.

He might have been referring to the part where it's burning the roof above you and you have to fight off all the soldiers as you run to avoid getting burned to death. That was a tough part.

Soviet Heavy:

beastrn:
Hey reviewer, do you review books? If someone asked you to review a novel from one of the most respected writers, would you say yes? No, no you wouldn't. You wouldn't because you know that your grasp of literature, your experience with books and your understanding of difficult written concepts is weak.

It's the same here. Why are you even reviewing video games? Who are you? You're obvious terrible at them. You obviously don't understand how to press a button a read a journal. You're just a baby raised on golden trails and compasses.

Why are you reviewing games if you're terrible at them?

And here lies the problem. I may not agree with Tito's score here or for Dragon Age 2, but a smart person would not use them as a basis to launch personal attacks for having a different opinion.

So he doesn't like the game as much, get over it. Greg Tito reviews games because he is a game reviewer. I can also be a game reviewer, you want to know why? Because it means giving your opinion on a game. You have no right to throw insults around because he disagrees with you. I don't see anywhere in the review where he attacked you personally, or anyone who enjoys The Witcher 2 for that matter.

Get over it, and good luck hanging around the boards with this kind of attitude.

If all a review is is someone's opinion of a game then Little Big Planet and Heavy Rain, Halo and Starcraft are 1 out of 10.True they some people get hot headed when they see a game they know themselfs as being good get a low score.So if this said reviewer did have trouble with the game he could very well give it a shit score cause of that.I mean wouldn't you cry foul if someone give Batman Arkam Asylum a 2 out of 5?

Canadish:
Dragon Age 2 - 5 Stars
The Witcher 2 - 3 1/2 Stars?

Yeah okay, cool story bro.

Mr. Tito is obviously a VERY different kind of gamer then myself.

I find it hilarious when people on this site keep preaching about the meaning of opinions and how they can be subjective, and yet they complain about "unfair" reviews of their favorite games.

As soon as I saw this review was by Greg Tito I thought, "Uh oh, incoming shitstorm of people berating him for giving Dragon Age 2 five stars".

I may not think 5 stars is a fair assessment of DA2, but the kind of elitism used to defend The Witcher 2 against reviews that are actually quite positive (3.5 on a 5 point scale is not a bad game, for christ's sake) is just astonishing. "This game was clearly made for hardcore masochists like myself and that makes it perfect."

Barbara Cartland novels may be designed for bored housewives, but if you're going to use that argument to call them perfect I'm going to have to laugh myself to death.

rsvp42:

maddhatter190:
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I was playing on Normal and had a lot of trouble at first. This was because I'm used to games at least explaining their combat system. It doesn't have to be mandatory. I would have loved an optional tutorial for players like myself who didn't play the first one.

The combat is totally different in wither 1.Its basically just chain clicking on a target wile switching stances.The Witcher 2s combat was shown off many times in trailers.There is also the manual for the game.Or do people even read those anymore.Even the digital version got one just have to download it.

sravankb:

Canadish:
Dragon Age 2 - 5 Stars
The Witcher 2 - 3 1/2 Stars?

Yeah okay, cool story bro.

Mr. Tito is obviously a VERY different kind of gamer then myself.

I find it hilarious when people on this site keep preaching about the meaning of opinions and how they can be subjective, and yet they complain about "unfair" reviews of their favorite games.

DA2 was a POS deal with it... Witcher 2 is superior in MANY ways. You actually have to figure out things yourself, not like most of today's games that are for a wider audience. That said, I can't care less about that review, as it's his own personal opinion, and I respect it. As for me, it's one of the best RPGs I've ever played.

It's interesting to see how this review panned out and it's even more interesting to see people's responses to this.

I think most of all what this does is make us question the nature of so-called 'professional' (paid, journalistic, critical) reviews. Someone earlier in the thread plugged Jim Sterling and his Jimquisition on reviewer bias. Jim puts forward a convincing argument in that shouldn't be subject to abuse just because his ideas are not in line with metacritic and that his subjective view goes against the 'objective agreement'. The reason i say reviews like this (and indeed, reviewers like Sterling) question the nature of professional reviewing is whether or not such things should be entirely objective or entirely subjective.

Here in this review, Greg gave the game a 3.5 / 5 because it wasn't really his thing, he wasn't comfortable with the combat. But he liked the world and the story. Similarly, Jim Sterling also gave The Witcher a low 6 / 10 because of issues he had with the game. Yet the general consensus from Metacritic and other 'professional' review sites is one of high praise, around the 9 / 10 mark. Because they are in the majority we can assume (rightly or wrongly) that they make up the objective opinion. Does this mean reviewers like Greg Tito and Jim Sterling should be trashed for stating outright that something wasn't their cup of tea, that it's not something they personally enjoy? After all, if they say they don't enjoy it and mark it down severely because of that, it's giving people a false impression that the game won't be fun for everyone - not just the reviewer. However, i can respect the integrity of reviewers like Greg and Jim for stating their opinion and going against the general agreed consensus by saying that they didn't like it and it wasn't for them. However, part of me feels like it is the professional reviewer's responsibility to be as objective as possible and not include any subjective opinion as that is generally all that separates the professionals from the public. Without objectivity professional reviews here will be no different from the user reviews, and at that point i have to question the validity of said professional reviews and whether they are even necessary in the first place and what qualifies them to be regarded as professional.

It's a conundrum and one well worth philosophising over. It might even make for an interesting poll. Just two options and a question asking whether you value subjectivity or objectivity in professionalism.

IamGamer41:

Soviet Heavy:

beastrn:
Hey reviewer, do you review books? If someone asked you to review a novel from one of the most respected writers, would you say yes? No, no you wouldn't. You wouldn't because you know that your grasp of literature, your experience with books and your understanding of difficult written concepts is weak.

It's the same here. Why are you even reviewing video games? Who are you? You're obvious terrible at them. You obviously don't understand how to press a button a read a journal. You're just a baby raised on golden trails and compasses.

Why are you reviewing games if you're terrible at them?

And here lies the problem. I may not agree with Tito's score here or for Dragon Age 2, but a smart person would not use them as a basis to launch personal attacks for having a different opinion.

So he doesn't like the game as much, get over it. Greg Tito reviews games because he is a game reviewer. I can also be a game reviewer, you want to know why? Because it means giving your opinion on a game. You have no right to throw insults around because he disagrees with you. I don't see anywhere in the review where he attacked you personally, or anyone who enjoys The Witcher 2 for that matter.

Get over it, and good luck hanging around the boards with this kind of attitude.

If all a review is is someone's opinion of a game then Little Big Planet and Heavy Rain, Halo and Starcraft are 1 out of 10.True they some people get hot headed when they see a game they know themselfs as being good get a low score.So if this said reviewer did have trouble with the game he could very well give it a shit score cause of that.I mean wouldn't you cry foul if someone give Batman Arkam Asylum a 2 out of 5?

I honestly wouldn't care if they did. That's their choice, and if they don't want to play a game because they feel it is shit, then more power to them. Am I going to suddenly start attacking you because you don't like Halo while I do? No, because I don't have any more right to tell you what to like than the person I was quoting.

You can disagree without needing to attack somebody's integrity for having a different opinion. If Tito didn't enjoy the gameplay, well there isn't much anyone can do about that but him. That isn't a basis to say he is an ignorant fuckwit who is an idiot for not seeing things the same way.

Right right.that part I pretty much bum rushed to the end.One one thing I didnt like was with all the commotion I didn't here the dialog from the characters.

beastrn:

Soviet Heavy:

beastrn:
Hey reviewer, do you review books? If someone asked you to review a novel from one of the most respected writers, would you say yes? No, no you wouldn't. You wouldn't because you know that your grasp of literature, your experience with books and your understanding of difficult written concepts is weak.

It's the same here. Why are you even reviewing video games? Who are you? You're obvious terrible at them. You obviously don't understand how to press a button a read a journal. You're just a baby raised on golden trails and compasses.

Why are you reviewing games if you're terrible at them?

And here lies the problem. I may not agree with Tito's score here or for Dragon Age 2, but a smart person would not use them as a basis to launch personal attacks for having a different opinion.

So he doesn't like the game as much, get over it. Greg Tito reviews games because he is a game reviewer. I can also be a game reviewer, you want to know why? Because it means giving your opinion on a game. You have no right to throw insults around because he disagrees with you. I don't see anywhere in the review where he attacked you personally, or anyone who enjoys The Witcher 2 for that matter.

Get over it, and good luck hanging around the boards with this kind of attitude.

"Here lies the problem"?

Er, no - the problem lies with the fact that this "reviewer" does not know how to seek knowledge or learn how to play a video game. The PROBLEM lies in the fact that this "reviewer" struggled with basic gameplay because he is used to being led around by both hands in everything he has ever played.

This is not "foaming at the mouth defense" - this is pointing out that people that are bad at games have no right to have an opinion on them - especially not on a wide publication. So yes - of course I care. People might actually read this trollop.

This is why gaming cannot move forward. This is why every single game has a radar and a quest arrow and a mini map dot and a golden trail and text telling you what to do and completely immersion breaking UI's and idiotic tutorials - because even people that get PAID to play these games are too fucking sheltered to figure something out on their own.

If you wanted baby-mode-adventure the interactive movie - you should have played on EASY.

He likes Mount and Blade. That alone invalidates all of your little whining.

Gaming *has* moved forward. I grew up on old-school PC gaming, but a lot of those choices that we've ditched? They actually kind of sucked, looking back at it.

Soviet Heavy:

I honestly wouldn't care if they did. That's their choice, and if they don't want to play a game because they feel it is shit, then more power to them. Am I going to suddenly start attacking you because you don't like Halo while I do? No, because I don't have any more right to tell you what to like than the person I was quoting.

Stating you don't like Halo casually on a public forum is vastly different to claiming your opinion is professional and critical.

awesome_ninja:

sravankb:

Canadish:
Dragon Age 2 - 5 Stars
The Witcher 2 - 3 1/2 Stars?

Yeah okay, cool story bro.

Mr. Tito is obviously a VERY different kind of gamer then myself.

I find it hilarious when people on this site keep preaching about the meaning of opinions and how they can be subjective, and yet they complain about "unfair" reviews of their favorite games.

DA2 was a POS deal with it...

Again, "opinions". Please try not to force yours on mine.

Gralian:

Soviet Heavy:

I honestly wouldn't care if they did. That's their choice, and if they don't want to play a game because they feel it is shit, then more power to them. Am I going to suddenly start attacking you because you don't like Halo while I do? No, because I don't have any more right to tell you what to like than the person I was quoting.

Stating you don't like Halo casually on a public forum is vastly different to claiming your opinion is professional and critical.

But if I gave reasons for why I didn't enjoy a game, such as a clunky interface or unoptimized controls, would me stating those reasons be met with the same reaction?

If I said that Halo felt too floaty and loose in the controls department, would I still be ignored by merit of me not being a professional critic? This review stated that he had troubles with the interface, and that he did not find the controls intuitive. Yet like the Halo example, it is purely subjective. Whereas some might find the controls just right, others might not feel the same way.

sravankb:

awesome_ninja:

sravankb:

I find it hilarious when people on this site keep preaching about the meaning of opinions and how they can be subjective, and yet they complain about "unfair" reviews of their favorite games.

DA2 was a POS deal with it...

Again, "opinions". Please try not to force yours on mine.

Thing is, regardless of your opinion, there are subjective facts to be found here. Bioware is under EA now. CDPR is their own independent studio, publishing by Atari. Dragon Age 2 was developed in a little under a year. Witcher 2 took between three and four years to develop.

Now, in your opinion, which of these two development environments do you think will produce the better game nine times out of ten? I'd say the choice is fairly easy.

sta697:
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no the story of da2 is in the sequel also intresting banter isnt intresting characters also the 10 locations in a 40 hour long campaing isnt many

The story is what it is. Because you didn't enjoy it doesn't make it not a story. And actually, interesting banter IS interesting characters. How characters interact with each other is 80% of what makes up their personality. Anyone with a general understanding of writing, acting, or character design knows that.

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