Jimquisition: Too Cool To Be Cool

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Too Cool To Be Cool

What does Duke Nukem and Sonic The Hedgehog have in common? Let Jim Sterling, a literal graduate of the School of Cool (it does exist), explain.

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hey a funny video nice one jim keep this up.

Totally agree, we need a life in the shitter sonic.
Can somebody explain whats with the black lines on the background?

Alright you've got a point. Not bad this episode.
I think it's a little sad that you need to point out that your persona is meant in an ironic way. Not because you want to, but because people wouldn't get it.

"Badical" needs to be a real word. Also, I do agree. I remember hearing one quote: "Cool has a shelf life, and if that's all your character has, so do they." Loved the knock at the people who take this a little too seriously. It's kinda sad that some people probably needed it pointed out...

Not much else to say. Keep doing what you're doing.

I thought the section where he analysed Sonic was by far the most interesting part of the show.

What I basicly got from this is - Sarcasm is the best tool to introduce characters and keep them fresh when used in moderation. And I agree!
But 8 minutes of saying it and never expanding on it was a waste...

I cant think of an icon i might have who would not like to have his knob sucked by 2 schoolgirls

at first when i started watching these I was all like
Whos this fat guy Whats with the background why is he rambling

now im all like
LOL jim LOL even started reading or well noticing his stuff on destructoid and the review of the new PS3 firmware was great keep it coming jim

Great, these episodes just get better and better, I agree that Sonic is seriously annoying how he tries to be cool all the time. Keep 'em coming Jim!

i think this series is leaps and bounds beyond what it was in the first few weeks.

I more-or-less agree with Jim, however, irrelevant 90s sonic in the 2010s? That's way too meta for Sonic's core demorgraphic.

Whiile i could agree on the Sonic point, i don't really see Duke as Jim describes him. I mean, ever since Duke Nukem franchise started it was a very obvious satire and DN3D probably was the pinncale of it. It was absurd, over the top, it was the bad-assery on the level of action movies featuring the 'manly-man' like Stallone or Van Damme creations.

Sure, you might say, times moved forward and the perception surely has changed, but a quick look at recent action flicks says "Hell no!". We still get the same type of movies in cinemas, the same type of ubermench that gets the chick, blows stuff up and saves the world, and that's why Duke fits in it. I don't see seriousness in the franchise at all, and satire does not need a giant, flashing clue in terms "OH LOOK IM FAILING TO BE FUNNY" to be satire.

Not bad... Not good... Avarage, which means. You make progress, keep up.

BTW i never saw Duke as serious character. Come on "I've got balls of steel" couldn't be taken seriously.

People take Duke Nukem seriously? God, I hope not O.o

Maybe in they idolize him in an ironic sense, but I can't see people actually thinking he's the ideal man. I've always thought it was an exaggeration for lame laughs, kind of like Chuck Norris, where the joke consists in how straight faced it is and how far people take if. I really hope I'm not wrong about that...

I can see where you are coming from when it comes to Sonic The Hedgehog, but a little less so with Duke. The guy's been gone for 15 years, and showing he hasn't changed a bit I think is a gold star, because the games themselves were supposed to be relatively light-hearted and not meant to be taken seriously. It's videogame high camp, not some serious story about some misogynist prick. Sonic on the other hand has been like watching your home town slowly get blown apart, one shitty game at a time, and him seen in a self-deprecating fashion is like watching someone clumsily apologize for all of the chaos upto this point.

All things considered, I am starting to warm up to your show, personal highlight was on "Weird is Not Enough," though some of your other episodes were very grating by comparison. Grating as they are, it is a different kind of opinion to be heard and glad to see you're trying your best to defend it.

Keep it up jim! others may hate you but you are great at your style of comedy!

I disagree, Jim, I think you're missing the point of Duke.

His jokes are supposed to be shit, but he's still not supposed to be called out for it or portrayed as unfunny or less cool because of it. He's meant to still be idolised in his world, which makes the joke funny for us outsiders looking in. We don't idolise Duke, we laugh at him and the morons in his universe for still idolising him, and get to feel kinda badass that that's our character.

We go into the game already knowing that he's a total doofus. If the game took the time to tell us this, it would lose some of its impact. We just accept the world as silly and fun, and love it for that.

Also, just because Sam Stone was made out clearly to be an idiot, doesn't mean Duke has to be. I'm all for games varying from one another, otherwise they bleed into a one flavour formula that never does anything different.

In an age where "realism" is becoming more and more predominant, some games just need to get more and more outrageous to be pure fun. I don't play games to see my character do something I can do in real life, I wanna see him curbstomp,punch through heads, and have a three-way with a school twins.

And I've never played Devil May Cry, but it seems like a whole nother kettle of fish. Sounds like a serious drama, where Duke is a light-hearted comedy. You're not supposed to read into anything too much.

That was actually pretty awesome.

I agree with your Sonic analisis, Everything else tough, is just wasting time.

Mr. Omega:
"Badical" needs to be a real word. Also, I do agree. I remember hearing one quote: "Cool has a shelf life, and if that's all your character has, so do they." Loved the knock at the people who take this a little too seriously. It's kinda sad that some people probably needed it pointed out...

Not much else to say. Keep doing what you're doing.

i think thats an overthinker quote

The thing about Sonic was surprisingly good, because it's true. I didn't really understand anything else that you were getting at though.

Did you play Bulletstorm? It was almost anticipating the return of Duke and parodied the fuck out of the "too cool to be cool" character. Many dismiss Greyson as simply a "generic bad-ass space marine" but frankly in the games he's the only person who thinks he is cool. Everyone else thinks he's the dick he definitely is, and rather than being the god of his world he often causes catastrophic fuck ups based on his rash and indefensible behaviour. Bulletstorm, despite being a comedy at heart, is also quite a strong piece of character satire.

Glad to see the series has started to return to what it was before on Destructoid, and people are starting to catch on that Jim has a lot of good points to make, whatever his presentation may be. I like the irony jokes of this one. I missed the disgusted cursing at gaming fools, and I miss throwing the microphone at the end.

Littaly:
People take Duke Nukem seriously? God, I hope not O.o

Maybe in they idolize him in an ironic sense, but I can't see people actually thinking he's the ideal man. I've always thought it was an exaggeration for lame laughs, kind of like Chuck Norris, where the joke consists in how straight faced it is and how far people take if. I really hope I'm not wrong about that...

Beautifully said. I don't need a self-conscious duke who's aware of his 'faults' according to some feminazi in an alternate dimension. Duke is over the top ... to the extreme. And there are almost no character like him in video games (Think, Gordon Freeman, and the rest who all happen to have had some form of military training, and roots in cliche (-cough- "Hello, My name is Inigo Montaya, and you killed my father's sheep. I am here to get the sheep skin. Prepare to ... barf!"). Almost all of the rest, are down to earth with a little extra that set them apart from the rest of the inhabitants of their world. Like regenerative health.

Sonic, why do they even bother with him? Let him die, create a new character, a new game.

Think Jim has missed the point of the DUKE here a bit, I think it's not meant to be indicated as a joke at all, but how serious and OTT it is is infact what makes it so hilarious? The serious sam guy was indicated to be stupid, therefore taking some of the humour away? Kinda agree about Sonic, maybe just leave him as a mute character that is just there for some old school speed platforming. IMO anyone that thinks DUKE is a serious protagonist is looking at it too seriously and needs to have another go at the game with a DUKE mentality.

Pretty true with Sonic there, but the recent games seem to be so bad, that the lame state of the character isn't noticed that much.

PoweD:
Totally agree, we need a life in the shitter sonic.
Can somebody explain whats with the black lines on the background?

He just explained it! It's from V for Vendetta:
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ezeroast:
I cant think of an icon i might have who would not like to have his knob sucked by 2 schoolgirls

So all your icons are pedophiles?

cainx10a:

Littaly:
People take Duke Nukem seriously? God, I hope not O.o

Maybe in they idolize him in an ironic sense, but I can't see people actually thinking he's the ideal man. I've always thought it was an exaggeration for lame laughs, kind of like Chuck Norris, where the joke consists in how straight faced it is and how far people take if. I really hope I'm not wrong about that...

Beautifully said. I don't need a self-conscious duke who's aware of his 'faults' according to some feminazi in a alternate dimension. Duke is over the top ... to the extreme. And there are almost no character like him in video game. Almost all of the rest, are down to earth with a little extra that set them apart from the rest of the inhabitants of their world. Like regenerative health.

Sonic, why do they even bother with him? Let him die, create a new character, a new game.

CINN4M0N:
I disagree, Jim, I think you're missing the point of Duke.

His jokes are supposed to be shit, but he's still not supposed to be called out for it or portrayed as unfunny or less cool because of it. He's meant to still be idolised in his world, which makes the joke funny for us outsiders looking in. We don't idolise Duke, we laugh at him and the morons in his universe for still idolising him, and get to feel kinda badass that that's our character.

We go into the game already knowing that he's a total doofus. If the game took the time to tell us this, it would lose some of its impact. We just accept the world as silly and fun, and love it for that.

Also, just because Sam Stone was made out clearly to be an idiot, doesn't mean Duke has to be. I'm all for games varying from one another, otherwise they bleed into a one flavour formula that never does anything different.

In an age where "realism" is becoming more and more predominant, some games just need to get more and more outrageous to be pure fun. I don't play games to see my character do something I can do in real life, I wanna see him curbstomp,punch through heads, and have a three-way with a school twins.

And I've never played Devil May Cry, but it seems like a whole nother kettle of fish. Sounds like a serious drama, where Duke is a light-hearted comedy. You're not supposed to read into anything too much.

Basically what they said, Duke is supposed to be idolized within his own world, which to US is funny. That and Duke is essentially a parody of just about every Macho man persona depicted in TV and movies.

I'm trying to give this series a chance, but Jim has completely missed the point of Duke Nukem.

Duke has NEVER been a serious character. He's a B-Movie star. A steriotype of 80/90s action movies like Arnie, Stallone etc. but pushed to the nth degree. It's all tongue in cheek and at no point are we supposed to take it seriously. We're supposed to enjoy the ride.

Also, i half agree about the Sonic argument. Sonic DOES cool stuff and he does awesome and stylish moves. The problem is when he opens his mouth. That's why i love Super Sonic because he hardly talks in that form and does awesome stuff.

Am I alone here? I never felt Duke was intended to be taken seriously, but more of a tribute to/parody of 80s action heroes. It's not that he should be idolised or considered "cool" in any way, but simply be thoroughly entertaining with his completely over-the-top badassery. It's the same kind of appeal as making a villain a playable character - you get to have fun blowing crap up without any sense of duty.

I agree that Sonic is put out there as a "cool" character, but I always felt Duke was so ridiculous it wouldn't need to be spelled out with dopey jokes in order for the audience to get it. I think playing it straight edge works in Duke's favour, rather than against it.

EDIT: Seems I'm not alone. A lot can happen while you're writing a response :P

Jim sure likes to call out his nay-sayers.

As to the actual subject matter, it's nice to see what people view as "cool", and how it changes as time goes on.

No one takes Duke seriously, I think it's you and maybe a few other idiots, but that being said you do have a good point with Sonic and Dante was a prime example of how to explain yourself. Also this was a generally funny episode.

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