Jimquisition: Too Cool To Be Cool

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I honestly can't decide if this video was serious, in which case it hilariously missed the point of Duke Nukem, or if it's supposed to be so awfully wrong that it's obviously not supposed to be taken seriously.
If the former: hell no, we don't need hipster "irony" seeping into anything else. It should be possible to know to not take something seriously without the creators winking at you the entire time. I don't know if it's just people trying to be PC, or the saturation of our culture with terrible attempts at being "ironic" that subtlety is completely alien to most people, but seriously, just because Duke isn't self-deprecating doesn't mean he's supposed to be an "idol".
If the latter: well played. I'm giving the benefit of the doubt and going with the latter interpretation, because a) it's funnier, b) I like the Escapist and I don't think they'd give airtime to someone who seriously wants to "cheese up" Duke, c) it fits with the rest of the video, and d) it'd be some of the goddamn best trolling I've ever seen.

JoJoDeathunter:
Great, these episodes just get better and better, I agree that Sonic is seriously annoying how he tries to be cool all the time. Keep 'em coming Jim!

I completely agree. I'm so glad that Jim has blatantly stated that he is portraying an uber arrogant image. As for duke nukem, i'm still really ashamed by it. I think that its ultimate lack of irony (which "gamers" will try and defend until the sun explodes)and its willfully stupid nature is appalling. I don't want to play that game its designed for an immature mind and if you try and defend it as satire then you fully deserve the title pretentious.

I feel really strongly about this and am not simply trying to flame. We need less of duke nukem figures in gaming.

Iff it were blatantly ironic then maybe i'd have time for the game.

Well done on the episode Jim you've earned a loyal follower.

Gotta say, you've really gotten better with these videos lately, Jim. While I do agree with you on the Sonic thing, I'm sort of uncertain regarding the Duke. Because while being openly sarcastic would work great for Sonic, Duke isn't really about that. The absurdity of everything, Duke's jokes, and twin-girl blowjob, is played straight, but only from Duke's perspective. Everything that happens in Duke's world happens because it makes sense in there. It's when we apply our filter of reality to whatever the fuck is going on in the game does it become amusing, humorous, and sarcastic.

Randy Pitchford doesn't really expect us to idolize Duke Nukem, but more to play along with the Duke, humoring his corny one-liners and extreme alien prejudice. I know this doesn't make alot of sense, but open sarcasm and self-deprecation may not turn out too well for Duke. At most you might have the EDF troops that accompany Duke going "Eh, that's a little weak" to one of Duke's lines or something without it getting too bad. It's sort of like how Metalocalypse can be seen as a show that openly mocks and attacks celebrity worship and the trouble it brings.

Overall, good episode, but I don't really agree with you in regards to Duke Nukem.

Nice Episode Jim, i admire your guts in pointing this out. Calling out the haters that they are reading to much into it is great :D

Myabe more winkin at camera would be nice from Duke, we shall see.

The point Jim is trying to raise (which I think he could have done better by the way, not a nay sayer, just saying the video could have expanded better in this area) is that although Duke is the King of his world, no one questions him, not a single person, not even the enemies.

Before I go one, I would say the humor is better as of now, I liked it MUCH better.

Take for example Malcom in the Middle, that show is the perfect example of what I mean, craziness usually called out by something more realistic or crazier to the crazy before hands, and Duke doesn't have this, they go for the middle ground formula without an aid to help the humor, which is very dangerous as it can stale pretty fast, and Borderlands is the proof for this, save for the fact that the player doesn't have a persona, so that enables personal proxy to the game.

Another example: having a Chief Commander say how impressive Duke's strategy is when he drew a dingle berry on the white-board, only then to have the player hear by proxy that soldiers are dieing and Commander still insisting they use Duke's phallus as their holy guide, or a soldier, rookie, questions Duke's strategy only to have the Commander smack talk him, are other examples of how Duke's humor can be aided in being funnier and by proxy, being something the player can relate to in someway to our world. Hell, if a boss which can speak asks Duke on why he does what he does, and shakes it's head in dismay, or tries to out-rude Duke only to have Duke mock himself and the enemy in turn, that's another way to get to it, and work wonders.

It's funny how people thought this was the best episode so far from Jim, when for me, while he had a good points, didn't expand to much. Not blowing my own horn here, but honestly, between the Facebook comments and the one in this thread about the points he made, are people misunderstanding Jim, or has my brain grown so much overnight that I'm living in the world of Idiocracy and I'm the last hope to sire a capable offspring?

NOTE: If you're going to quote me for the last paragraph of my post to have a battle-royale, I suggest you save your clicks for something else.

I dont think people understand what he's saying about DN, its not that he's a serious character, it's that in the game world he's taking to seriously, as in nobody in the world looks down at him. Anyway, I'm not saying to agree with him, I'm saying to discuss what he meant, not what you misunderstood.

If irony is too obvious, why bother? Irony is only funny if it has it's brief moments where it fools you into thinking it's being completely serious. Duke Nukem's irony spreads beyond the character and into the entire universe. Duke Nukem is like Captain Hindsight from the Coon and Friends trilogy in South Park. We all realize that his powers are completely useless, but no one in the show ever acknowledges that fact. Seriously, does Jim really need other characters to tell him how he's supposed to feel about Duke Nukem?

As Jim Stirling stumbles blindly towards his conclusion, I can't help thinking about the biggest problem I had with the Jimquisition in pervious episodes, and this one in particular - the complete lack of evidenced irony. Stirling is not a man we're meant to pity or laugh at or be discussed with in anyway; he makes awful jokes and he's a podgy fool with no sense of taste. But rather than make that a point of comedy with the character, we're supposed to actively think he's a brilliant and wonderful guy. To me this is the fundamental difference between Stirling and Yahtzee. One is played straight, the other not so much; Yahtzee actually is an arrogant dick and we're not supposed to think otherwise, when Stirling makes a terrible joke, he's never called out on it, the joke is played straight and we're meant to laugh. I think it's embarrassing to see a character with such forced arrogance that we're supposed to think is cool.

Indeed Mr Stirling, I must be a fucking idiot.

I find this hard to take seriously.
Duke is the ludicrous fantasy of macho man-ism. The absolutely right way.

mjc0961:

CINN4M0N:
*snip*

If what you say is true, it's everyone else who is missing the point of Duke. Pretty much all of his fanbase does take him seriously and act like he's a great character. People parrot off "I've got balls of steel." and "I'm here to kick ass and chew bubble gum, and I'm all outta gum." like they're scripture or something. People do treat Duke as an idol, so if you're sure that they aren't supposed to, then nearly everyone is missing the point.

You honestly take Duke seriously? The things Duke say are things that get repeated around friends when no one is being serious. That should give you some kind of clue that it's not meant to be taken seriously. No one idolizes Duke, it's a strange concept all together.

Also, he parroted that line from an action movie starring Rowdy Roddy Piper. I mean, if you just watch the movie They Live, it's pretty much Duke on film. Big muscular guy, rough around the edges, doesn't give a damn what anyone thinks. His character was created after the 80's action movie started losing popularity. He isn't trying to keep it alive, he is a parody of it.

Zabriskie Point:
I don't think I've met a single person who actually takes Duke seriously. Gearbox definitely doesn't. I mean, come on, you can throw literal shit in the game. You can pick up turds and throw them. That may be the least serious game mechanic I've ever seen.

That's more game mechanics though, not the character himself. The character himself takes himself seriously and is viewed in a positive light seriously in the game.

OT: I kind of agree. I think people do view him as a cool character - a fucking stupid one too, but nevertheless cool. He could definitely do with the whole self-parody thing now though, given how irrelevant what he's already parodying now is.

This segment has grown on me considerably by the way - several laughs along the way in this video.

............................oh God

you actually saying that Dante in Devil May Cry 3 is good?

emusega:
Alright you've got a point. Not bad this episode.
I think it's a little sad that you need to point out that your persona is meant in an ironic way. Not because you want to, but because people wouldn't get it.

I fully agree with this statement.

The first episodes were dreadful to me, but I'm appreciating them now, keep at it!

bibblles:

Espsychologist:
Jim fails at funny again.

Exactly.

Jim, I hope you read this you pretentious fuck. You are not funny, you are not entertaining, you are a bigger hippie than MovieBob, and because of your pretentious-ness you have failed to be even bearable to watch yet again.

Then dont watch and go away...Or would that be too simple?

OK the Rosa Parks line made me laugh. I do think your getting better but the over the top arrogance etc. I think is going to be a bit old. Since the start of each episode, for me, is just waiting for arrogance to end so the show can properly start.

Also pretending to be a character who is self-indulged is even going to be taken the wrong way by some people. Especially if this is the first time they have seen you, and I really don't think you should refer to them as "fucking morons." Even if this is meant to be "in character" it doesn't really come of as that because your "character" won't care what viewers think only the "real" Jim who has crafted such a character.

FelixG:

bibblles:

Espsychologist:
Jim fails at funny again.

Exactly.

Jim, I hope you read this you pretentious fuck. You are not funny, you are not entertaining, you are a bigger hippie than MovieBob, and because of your pretentious-ness you have failed to be even bearable to watch yet again.

Then dont watch and go away...Or would that be too simple?

The Escapist makes money via the publishers club and adverts. The level of publisher club members and adverts is directly linked to the number of people who view the site. If there's a video not "pulling its weight" then its in the Escapist best interests to be told of this. Of course not watching would have a similar effect but by posting it gives some indication of where a particular went wrong and The Escapist can use these feedback when deciding what new videos to put on its site.

AceAngel:
The point Jim is trying to raise (which I think he could have done better by the way, not a nay sayer, just saying the video could have expanded better in this area) is that although Duke is the King of his world, no one questions him, not a single person, not even the enemies.

He is supposed to be the undisputed best thing ever in his world. Like all macho men, they feel that way too. This is the point. Clearly the enemies don't see that, or they wouldn't be doing it. He is not a good character, he is just a character that propels the gameplay, which is over the top, like Duke. He would be a much worse character if he was more serious without all the stupid lines, and did all those over the top things. And I know people think it would be cool if he was lame thinking he was over the top, but that would be a different game.

Why do I feel that this episode is actually about himself and not Duke.

bibblles:

Espsychologist:
Jim fails at funny again.

Exactly.

Jim, I hope you read this you pretentious fuck. You are not funny, you are not entertaining, you are a bigger hippie than MovieBob, and because of your pretentious-ness you have failed to be even bearable to watch yet again.

I don't even...

... how is Movie Bob a hippie? xD How is Jim a hippie even? Have you seen a hippie?

In fact, calling someone a pretentious fuck and a hippie is rather contradictory. And if he was unbearable previous times, why are you still attempting to watch?

CINN4M0N:
*snip*

If what you say is true, it's everyone else who is missing the point of Duke. Pretty much all of his fanbase does take him seriously and act like he's a great character. People parrot off "I've got balls of steel." and "I'm here to kick ass and chew bubble gum, and I'm all outta gum." like they're scripture or something. People do treat Duke as an idol, so if you're sure that they aren't supposed to, then nearly everyone is missing the point.

I wouldn't say they take the character seriously, just the franchise and the love of it. They like the fact that it's ridiculous and so referencing his corny lines is meant to be funny in an ironic kind of way.

They love the character, but I don't think they seriously take him seriously.

Wait. . . I thought that Duke Nukem was ironic. If not, that makes it much funnier.

CINN4M0N:
I disagree, Jim, I think you're missing the point of Duke.

His jokes are supposed to be shit, but he's still not supposed to be called out for it or portrayed as unfunny or less cool because of it. He's meant to still be idolised in his world, which makes the joke funny for us outsiders looking in. We don't idolise Duke, we laugh at him and the morons in his universe for still idolising him, and get to feel kinda badass that that's our character.

We go into the game already knowing that he's a total doofus. If the game took the time to tell us this, it would lose some of its impact. We just accept the world as silly and fun, and love it for that.

My sentiments exactly.

Woodsey:

bibblles:

Espsychologist:
Jim fails at funny again.

Exactly.

Jim, I hope you read this you pretentious fuck. You are not funny, you are not entertaining, you are a bigger hippie than MovieBob, and because of your pretentious-ness you have failed to be even bearable to watch yet again.

I don't even...

... how is Movie Bob a hippie? xD How is Jim a hippie even? Have you seen a hippie?

In fact, calling someone a pretentious fuck and a hippie is rather contradictory. And if he was unbearable previous times, why are you still attempting to watch?

I think he meant to say "Hipster," but failed because he hasn't even the most rudimentary grasp of the concept.

This would actually have to be the very first Jimquisition I've agreed with, kudos this makes sense.

All self referential irony and no obvious jokes make Americans a trolled boy.

Son of a...

Jesters of the moonless sky!

Nobuo Uematsu's "Jesters of the Moonless Sky" from Final Fantasy IX is playing in the background. Dear God, the nostalgia, the awesomeness...

Hmm, whazzat?
The episode?

Eh, I like both the Duke and the Hedgehog, but I never took either of them seriously.

I haven't chuckled so much at a Jimquisition in a long time. :)

The-Epicly-Named-Man:
I dont think people understand what he's saying about DN, its not that he's a serious character, it's that in the game world he's taking to seriously, as in nobody in the world looks down at him. Anyway, I'm not saying to agree with him, I'm saying to discuss what he meant, not what you misunderstood.

Basically what you said.

Anyways, I completely agree with both analyses. And Jim--er, his "persona" in this episode is a perfect example of why. He's intentionally insufferable, but it's done in such a way that he's still insufferable, instead of amusing.

I don't see what's wrong with the show. Maybe some of you guys need to step off your high horses and stop taking everything so seriously.

Jim's style of comedy is slowly growing on me.

However, I don't really agree with what was said in this episode. I think Duke is fine as he is, a character so outrageous that he has no need for any actual in-game irony to not be taken all that seriously. He's essentially the Chuck Norris of gaming.

WTF is this doing on Escapist ?!?!

troll more ?

stopped watchign after i cleand my eyes to realize what's going on

EDIT:

I don't know wtf - but why google linked Jim Sterling with CONDUIT 2 ... google gone mad ?

I re-checked that the conduit 2 review was not done by jim sterling ... u have my apologies

Littaly:
People take Duke Nukem seriously? God, I hope not O.o

This. I always thought Duke was such a great parody that we (as the audience and the real world) simply became part of it an played along. There's no way he is meant to be taken at face value, and he is so overblown as a stereotype that the only thing someone can really do is accept and play along with this gimmick. If you don't, then you don;t really understand the Duke.

I liked his points on Duke Nukem, but its really just the same point that Yahtzee made about people giving characters to much 'respect' I really think that Yahtzee should have been the one to talk about this, not Jim.

Espsychologist:
Jim fails at funny again.

Wait a sec, he was trying to be FUNNY?.. I thought the whole thing of his show was to be as much of an unlikable.. Arg.. if i finish that sentence i fear the mods will have something to say, short version: If hes trying to be funny then this attempt is just sad, if hes trying to alienate 80% of his viewers hes doing a spot on job at it, ive given this show a fair chance, ive forced myself through every ep up to this point, albeit on my ipod where the resolution is low enough that i cant tell that hes wearing sunglasses inside (seriously?) and i have not enjoyed a single moment of it, maybe im not the target audience maybe im looking at it the wrong way or maybe jim just does NOT belong on this site.

With reguards also to the "fucking idiot" comment, you say that we've missed the point but its clearly the otherway around, no one was EVER taking you seriously, we ALL know this is a persona that you've made up to get your point across, the PROBLEM is that this persona is so extreamly unlikable and downright iritating to watch that we just simply dont like you, i believe it was our own loud mouth brit (You know, the good one) who said that delibratly trying to be annoying is still annoying, and the fact that you know your doing it just makes it 10 times worse, so now not only do you make terrible videos, but you've also demonstrated arogance to a point my mind fails to comprehend, i dont just dislike your videos anymore jimmy boy, i dislike you.

This episode rather more entertaining than usual, although I'm a bit sad that he broke down and explained the whole shtick of his character, presumably, for everyone who's been blissfully ignorant of the intensive air traffic that's been going on above their heads. Alas, poor Jim, though I know in your heart of hearts you just want to be loved, this style of humour is not for everyone.

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