Jimquisition: Too Cool To Be Cool

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Enjoyed this video, best one so far.

Darn, I was ready to give up on you and then you come up with a clever, thought provoking point and vastly improve the aural attractiveness of your videos.

So awesome job.

I even actually agree, except maybe Dante went too far in the one direction with DMC4 and I think there is a small hint of irony with the new Duke as he's been presented in promo so far. Just not quite enough. I think it's a really interesting take on Sonic too

Is it bad that i think duke nukem is cool and funny

Akalabeth:

icame:

Ace IV:

This. Extra Credits is so pretentious it hurts to watch.

He was praising extra credits. Reading comprehension is a powerful tool.

You should taken a lesson from your own advice. He wasn't praising extra credits, he was excluding it from condemnation. There's a difference.

Gad zooks! Foiled again

*Smoke bomb*

*Runs away*

Best episode by far... there is hope for the Jimquisition.

Ok ok, the last 3 videos have been good, I was wrong near the start, Jim just needed time to find his feet.

More clips+Less MS Paint is much better.

Dulcinea:

brimstone1392:
Ya know what...

It truly saddens me that I have to add this to what would otherwise be a mockingly-and-frankly-FUN-post, but here it goes:

THERE IS NOTHING (and I mean NOTHING) IN THIS WORLD SO SERIOUS THAT IT CAN'T BE LAUGHED AT. And, YES, games fall into that category - ALL OF THEM! Seriously, are you all a bunch of Jihad-ists willing to forgo your humanity over a cartoon? (<--too soon? If so, let me know!) Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwww... fuck it. Bring on the flameburger!

Anything can be laughed at? Sure. You can laugh at anything. But why would you want to? I was raped as a child and I don't think there's anything lol worthy in that. An Australian solider was shot in the head yesterday and died on the spot. Their body is being transfered home so his family can bury him. Care to point out there joke there? I knew a girl whose mother and father died of AIDS. She was orphaned and led a less than ideal life in foster homes that saw her and her younger sister abused to the point of hospital trips. I see nothing worth laughing at there either. A divorced man in Sydney (near my home) kidnapped his daughter and murdered her, before then committing suicide. Nothing funny in that. One of my friends committed suicide after years of bullying in school. Her family asked the school to hold a service so that the young girl's friends could say goodbye. Someone decided to start laughing during the minute of silence. This caused my friend's mother to break down in tears, as those who bullied her in life were continuing to mock her in death. Funny?

Personally, I can't see anything funny in them. But, people made some damn funny jokes about 9/11, and that shit was pretty serious.

Also, you're comparing people getting pissed off at a game to those very tragic examples of yours. And worryingly enough, I'm not actually surprised that it's you saying it, Dulcinea. I'm starting to wonder if you're paid to do it or not.

Thyunda:
Also, you're comparing people getting pissed off at a game to those very tragic examples of yours.

If you had read the post you may have noticed their words: "THERE IS NOTHING (and I mean NOTHING) IN THIS WORLD SO SERIOUS THAT IT CAN'T BE LAUGHED AT." I don't see anything there that would suggest they were solely referring to video game anger. In fact, the next lines of the quote tell us they weren't.

I find reading the available information well before making comment on it helps resulting dialog.

Dulcinea:

Thyunda:
Also, you're comparing people getting pissed off at a game to those very tragic examples of yours.

If you had read the post you may have noticed their words: "THERE IS NOTHING (and I mean NOTHING) IN THIS WORLD SO SERIOUS THAT IT CAN'T BE LAUGHED AT." I don't see anything there that would suggest they were solely referring to video game anger. In fact, the next lines of the quote tell us they weren't.

I find reading the available information well before making comment on it helps resulting dialog.

Alright, Sergeant Sarcastic Tone, if you want to take that attitude, I'm game. I do believe he said "There is nothing in this world so serious that it can't be laughed at." He did not specify if he meant one lone crazed hermit, or the average person. So yes, technically everything CAN be laughed at, whether deliberately, unintentionally, or even if the laugher understands what he's laughing at. Perhaps the joke is in the delivery, Dulcinea, and while perhaps it is not the event itself being laughed at, it's the wording. Or even the fact that you're not supposed to laugh at it.
Frankie Boyle made his career off of laughing at things deemed unlaughable.

I didnt even bother watching the whole video. I cant stand Jim, I feels hes trying way to hard... and the jokes and whatnot suffer from it.

Thyunda:
So yes, technically everything CAN be laughed at

I'm honestly wondering if you read the comments you're quoting, for I must wonder if you did how you missed the bolded part;

"Sure. You can laugh at anything. But why would you want to?"

Unless you quoted my comment simply to agree with me?

Dulcinea:

Thyunda:
So yes, technically everything CAN be laughed at

I'm honestly wondering if you read the comments you're quoting, for I must wonder if you did how you missed the bolded part;

"Sure. You can laugh at anything. But why would you want to?"

Unless you quoted my comment simply to agree with me?

I have to read shit twice to get the full story. Otherwise, you're editing it AS I'm reading it. Which I doubt.

So essentially, what I'm trying to say, is everything you posted AFTER the quoted section was entirely pointless and served only to stall the flow of the conversation and to generally make the poster feel bad about said tragedies. What exactly did your post contribute?

And as for why would I want to? Imagine living without ever having negative emotions. Sorrow and pain hurts. Laughter doesn't. If everybody laughed everything off because they couldn't feel bad, then you wouldn't feel bad. Impossible, but perfect.

Thyunda:
words

You don't seem to understand how these things work. You see, when someone puts forth an idea and openly asks for challenge, going so far as to say 'bring it on,' they must expect and accept said challenge(s) when it(they) arrive.

If you're done? Enjoy your day/evening.

Dulcinea:

Thyunda:
words

You don't seem to understand how these things work. You see, when someone puts forth an idea and openly asks for challenge, going so far as to say 'bring it on,' they must expect and accept said challenge(s) when it(they) arrive.

If you're done? Enjoy your day/evening.

But your challenge not only agreed with him, but also challenged a facet of his argument that DID NOT EXIST. The fact that you actually typed a lot of words to argue a point that wasn't there says more about your urge to argue than it does about my reading skills.

So, drop the arrogance. You're actually wrong on this count. You fucked up.

ur totally right! there is a difference between comedy and satire! saying DN should be more comedic and ironc is plain stupid. for a matter of fact THAT REALLY IS the one big difference between Serious Sam and DN, SS is comedy, he is a joke telling slapstick character (even with banana jokes!) DN again is a satire of all those markus pheonixes and those guys from killzone 2! he takes him self serious because the real douches from GoW etc do so too! thats the actual joke!
DN also pics on a few other prominent gaming themes, like the hole thing with first person characters not reflecting on the players actions (picking up poop (go watch the trailer)). but thats off topic

Looks like you took your own advice Jim ;), over the last two episodes I have enjoyed watching a fair chunk more as you have begun overplaying yourself, even now; watching over the first few eps you seemed a little too serious to be saying what you were, looks like your show is here to stay though and I'm glad it's perked up since the first.

I'm glad that no developer will ever listen to him.

Hello Jim,

In order for you to think something is not meant to be taken seriously, does it have to point out "Hey! Hey! Look how ridiculous I am!"? Because when it comes to Duke, I think you're supposed to notice the ridiculousness yourself.

ProjectTrinity:

Wow I'm glad that's only you with that opinion during my lurking. And that includes the post you quoted. He was saying that he can stomach Extra Credits, not that it was so pretentious it hurts to watch.

Uh, no. He said he can stomach ZP, but not the other two.

icame:

You should taken a lesson from your own advice. He wasn't praising extra credits, he was excluding it from condemnation. There's a difference.

icame:

He was praising extra credits. Reading comprehension is a powerful tool.

mmmnope. I guess he should've explained better. But still, EC is incredibly pretentious.

I have to disagree with Jim in his assessment of Duke Nukem being something that is meant to be taken seriously. I think he is pretty clearly (and has always been) a satirical representation of 'cool'.

Satire works best when it's subtle; when you don't acknowledge that you are being ironic but instead play it straight. You have to let the audience be the one to realize that something so over the top is not what you are actually trying to go for. If you need to point it out (as in the case of Serious Sam, where even the character design tell you not to take it seriously), then it's not really satire. It's just making fun of a ridiculous concept.

It's also less engaging, because you're not asking the audience to think about what they're doing, but pointing out for them what they are supposed to think.

But then, great works of satire generally suffer from people not catching them. Consider 'A Modest Proposal' for an example (Jonathan Swift's satirical essay from 1729, where he suggests that the Irish eat their own children).

Ugh, Jim... you've finally done it. You've made me like this series. You've gotten steadily better in the past few weeks. Jokes have gotten better, production value has gotten better, and the intro song is still the best on the escapist. As long as you keep it up, I'll keep watching.

I think Stephen Fry said it best: Don't be offended on behalf of other people.

while I don't agree with most of what he says at least he's covering different ground this time and not just echoing old sentiments and he did make a couple of good points. This series is gradually getting better and it gives me something to do on a boring Tuesday evening but it still has a long way to go.

getting better...?

Ironically I've felt about Jim what he feels about Duke up till now. Maybe the humor doesn't quite translate too well but it's nice to hear you take the piss out of yourself once in awhile ;)

And the funny thing is, Duke Nukem wasn't originally like this see:http://blip.tv/nostalgiacritic/thatchickwiththegoggles-duke-nukem-pc-1284617

I can't help but think that even though Jim explained the point in the actual video. That a lot of people are missing the point.

Has anyone ever taken Duke Nukem seriously? No. Obviously. Because you aren't supposed to.
Are you supposed to take everything from Jim seriously? No. Obviously. Because you aren't supposed to.

Have a lot people taken Jim's assessment of Duke Nukem seriously? Yes. Why?!

Uh, Jim, that's kind of the joke. The fact that he's so unapologetic is the whole point of the Duke, and just cuz they don't cue a laugh track every time doesn't mean it's not a joke. It's just subtle.
You were dead on about Sonic though.

Oh, and 2:19 was epic! Maybe that'll stop all of the modwork every time you post a video.

Ace IV:

ProjectTrinity:

Wow I'm glad that's only you with that opinion during my lurking. And that includes the post you quoted. He was saying that he can stomach Extra Credits, not that it was so pretentious it hurts to watch.

Uh, no. He said he can stomach ZP, but not the other two.

It never looks good when you ignore direct questions pertaining to your use of the word "pretentious" and why you think so. I also noticed you were defending Fox News on the "Games as art" thread?

I ask, because I believe it will relate to your overall posts regarding EC...and your ability to (properly) address criticism on your logic. You see, Fox News and its followers were never too brilliant at sticking with the issues or making much sense outside of their little bubble. So I'd like to save my time and any onlooker's time in the event you also logic-dodge.

So, a character who stars in a trailer wherein he does little but throw other people's shit around is supposed to be taken seriously?


Jim, serious question, were you joking or are you really that fucking stupid?

Duke Nukem will work for one reason only:

We live in the most sickeningly politically correct time in the history of the planet.
For every reason people will bitch about how misogynistic, chauvinistic, neanderthal and politically incorrect the game and character is, there will be a dozen new fans loving every second of it because we have come to a point where our society is so damned boring and restrictive that freaking DUKE NUKEM's satirical tough guy image is something to be admired and appreciated.

That was a much better episode. It had some good points and presented them well.

emusega:
Alright you've got a point. Not bad this episode.
I think it's a little sad that you need to point out that your persona is meant in an ironic way. Not because you want to, but because people wouldn't get it.

It's not that people don't get it, it's just that people, well, I say people I mean myself and likely others, find it poorly executed and not funny at all.

On topic though: I don't think anybody that actually plays DN takes him seriously, although it was a concern that I noticed when watching the trailers for it. They do seem to be trying to make him more straight and serious about his role, in the original games I never felt like he was being serious at any point. But in the DNF trailers, gave off a different impression. So I agree. But I don't trust GearBox with DN at all really.

Dice Warwick:
don't agree, Duke is already a parity on himself, It's just that in his world he is a hero, so he is taken very seriously. If he was self deprecating, it would take away from what people love about that character. Duke is not an idiot, but he a shovanistic jackass who save the world, so everyone just roles with what he dose.

BTW the game has yet to come out, so we don't exactly know where the comedy will go.

I don't know where the "comedy" of Duke Nuke Em' will go but I literally know where it's coming from. The toilet. I couldn't agree more about Duke Nuke Em' and I'd love to hear what you think about Matt Hazzard. (In the interest of full disclosure I'm highly biased as I've played through it four times. I, um, thought it was funny. Really, really funny. Seriously. Give it a look. For a Professional game player it would only take a few hours for you instead of months for me. (Give my regards to the Kraken. You're welcome.)

Brave of you to take on a major and popular franchise like that and saying some things a lot of us have been talking about (just yesterday when out looking at new releases at the mall in fact) which sort of boils down to I don't care about irony, parody, or whatever you want to call it if the character flings dung someone else can play the monkey simulator I'll reserve Green Lantern.

As for what you said about my beloved Sonic, *sigh* you're right. I just hope SEGA combines your idea about comedy with a return to it's roots Super Street Fighter IV style. Yes use the 3-D but use the graphic power not to render the characters and perspectives but backgrounds and visual effects but keep the mechanics solidly 2-D. I used SSFIV but really it's the SNK approach. Just master what you do best and then liberally apply the bells and whistles. Why not a 3-D interpretation of the old pinball machine/gravity maze that led to the chaos crystals that was in the first game? Lots of ideas on that front but I agree with you.

I think this show is coming along much better than before and I think you really have been listening and adapting maybe making the joke a bit easier to detect for us "idiots." Either way it's feeling more like some of the YouTube work that I've seen which as I've said before I like a lot.

"Something so blindingly obviously ironic that only a fuckingidiot would take it as a genuine persona".

Oooooooooohhhh BUUUUUUUURRRRRN!!!!

Nice vid. This episode was very quotable. And Jim, MONOCLES, please?

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