The Big Picture: Arch-Villains

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Arch-Villains

We have met the enemy, and he is a clown.

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Another great episode brah. Though not better than "Numbers" (but what could beat that?)

I was not old enough to see the Joe Camel ads first hand but my dad did use to work for them(he worked in their IT department and he even remembers recieving packages of cigarettes with his pay cheque) and there for some reason advertisements of Joe Camel in our playroom. He always told my brother and I to never smoke cigarettes.
I think that blaming mascots for fast food companies a little bit annoying. I mean I know plenty of people (including myself) who grew up having mcdonalds probably more than they should as children but they are not obese and neither am I. four or five of them I wonder how the hell they appear underweight when they always eat poorly. The responsibility is within the parents and the sooner they can get that through dumb ass parent's thick heads the better we will all be.

Good episode, not great, but good. I agree totally, I just prefer your nerdier topics. Well well, there's always next week.

Isn't the whole blame for the restaurants like the blame for video game developers on violence? That's kinda how I see it. I think parents gotta step in and explain stuff to their kids rather than toss the blame elsewhere. BUT that's just me talkin.

i noticed a pattern in this show. Every other week Bob talks about something silly or funny while a week after he talks about gritty or depressing subjects. Great episode once again!!!!

I think there might be a bit of a problem in your central argument that tobacco is bad for you whereas hamburgers dont cause obesity...unless consumed by excessive amounts. In the scientific world of toxicology everything is bad for you if consumed in excessive amounts. Smoking less than once in a week does not cause statistifically significant risk to life expectancy. Teaching kids to love McDonalds encourages bad habits that stick especially to the fat and the poor. Read that sentence again.

I call your episode to be a bit too filled with nostalgia.

"blaming master chief for lack of civility" this line is killing me, given that he himself made the agument that halo is to blame a billion times

As always an informative episode.

Bob makes a lot of good points here. I for one am constantly preaching the value of personal responsibility, and its good to hear someone finally come out and say that parents, not corporate mascots, are responsible for helping kids make the right choice when it comes to food and lifestyle choices.

The modern day push toward banning or legislating good decisions is kind of worrying, because as Bob says, one day the things that matter to us will be put on trial if people just keep making the same basic, non-object-oriented mistakes. Hell, the "video games cause sloth" argument could be attached to almost any sedentary activity, i.e. books, card games...

Nice video, Bob.

Enosh_:
"blaming master chief for lack of civility" this line is killing me, given that he himself made the agument that halo is to blame a billion times

Didn't he say "Blame Master Chief for lack of civility in online play"? But then again, about that always remember kids "ONLINE INTERACTIONS ARE NOT RATED BY THE ESRB"!

Bob is hard to pin down. He started off on libertarian stance, then switched to socialist, and ended on a conservative sounding slippery slope argument.

I have to say that is the BEST image for natural selection I've ever seen.
Complete agreement with on this one Bob.

dex-dex:
I was not old enough to see the Joe Camel ads during their original run but my dad did use to work for them(he worked in their IT department and he even remembers recieving packages of cigarettes with his pay cheque) and there for some reason advertisements of Joe Camel in our playroom. He always told my brother and I to never smoke cigarettes.

I hope you listened to what he told you and not what he told everyone else's kids

I think that blaming mascots for fast food companies a little bit annoying. I mean I know plenty of people (including myself) who grew up having mcdonalds probably more than they should as children but they are not obese and neither am I. four or five of them I wonder how the hell they appear underweight when they always eat poorly. The responsibility is within the parents and the sooner they can get that through dumb ass parent's thick heads the better we will all be.

'God Dam Gobernment ain't gunna tell me how to raise my child!' It's always gunna be easier to whine than it is to actually do something
As for your friends ummmmmm... How are their teeth and gums?

I dont agree with Bob on everything, but this is one topic I stand right behind him on.

God forbid parents would chose to NOT feed there kids crappy fast food. So this argument is retarded. The food is cheap and thus low earning parents buy it. Its a shame, but thats life. Also in the UK we do not get free refills, where as in America you do. Surprised the hell out of me. lol. I guess you could make your kids exersise more to lose weight but you cant blame the firm for obesity as we all have the choice of whether we eat it or not.

MovieBob:
Arch-Villains

We have met the enemy, and he is a clown.

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I think it should be mentioned that George Carlin did a notable skit on American obesity during his Life Is Worth Losing HBO special. His criticism is by and far more blunt than yours, but offers a unique point of view of the whole of American society in this issue, while at the same time giving validity to your perspective.

Regardless, very nice episode. Agreed with most, if not all, of what you've put forth. And yes, I am old enough to know about Mr. Joe Camel.

Never seen the Joe Camel ads but have seen his parody in that episode of The Simpsons. :P Never knew who that was until now.

There is a brocard in germanic roman civil law that is: "To live is an activity of risk." Some gov's treat their citizens as sheep being conducted by an evil wolf. No one informs you properly. I think MovieBob got a great point.

Loved your definition of natural selection!
I didn't know about this, it certainly is stupid. Enforce a parenting license and it's all fixed.

I pretty much agree with the central theme of the video, but then he goes and rambles about how scientists should replace bad parents, which is pretty much the opposite of personal responsibility, and then uses a picture of three of the people that would most agree with the central theme of the video to demonize those who would rather have their parenting rights respected, which I assume would include him if the situation presented itself. (...and it's always the same people...)

I somehow don't believe he thought this through.

When using the Darwin argument of natural selection to point out the importance of personal responsibility, you must remember that you're also basically saying that someone that has the "insight" to remove himself from the gene pool can't be blamed for doing the same to his offspring.

This is why demonizing those who do not think the way you do with broad brush strokes is a bad thing.

"blame Master Chief for the lack of civility in online play," You seem to be doing that all the time.

just an idea i once had to combat obesity. In ancient celtic times you were charged additional tax if your waist larger than average, the idea being if you can afford to be fat you can aford the extra tax. methinks that this should be implemented somewhere(just to see if it works) perhaps use B.M.I or whatever's better for finding if a person is overweight.

Indeed, we are in agreement here. The concept of "obesity epidemic" bugs me to be honest. An epidemic is first and foremost a widespread disease, which obesity quite ostensibly is not. Yes, you could say that any widespread negative occurrence is also an epidemic, but then you're going to inadvertently end up comparing faux orange tans to polio. *sigh* stupid dumbass parents and idiotic people who would rather eat cheap greasy food than spend half an hour cooking something healthy. Whatever, we've already beaten natural selection, might as well completely self destruct as a species...

And I've never seen ads for Joe Camel. 'course, I grew up in Europe, where cigarets are sold in vending machines on street corners.

That guy who did the movie "Super Size Me" said a statement (I'm paraphrasing because it's been a while since I saw that movie) that sums up everything I think is wrong with the "fast food causes obesity" arguement: "At what point does personal accountability stop?"

Here's my answer: It doesn't.

YOU decided you wanted to have McDonald's
YOU decided to go get in your car and drive to that McDonald's.
YOU decided to go to the cashier or ordering thing at the drive through.
YOU decided to order a Big Mac and Large fries.
YOU decided to pay for that meal and then eat it all.
And YOU decided to do this over and over again.

And you know what? At any point during this process, you could have decided "You know what? I'll have a salad."

As for the "Kids whose parents feed them nothing but McDonald's" thing, I agree with Bob.

Good episode. Looking forward to next week.

Is it strange that now I have a craving for McDonald's?

How is it McDonalds fault? I watch plenty of child programming from time to time and haven't seen a single kiddie commercial with Ronald and his gang in at least half a decade.

I have an idea for future episodes. I remember a write up where Moviebob said that the role of the critic was not to inform a person whether to see a movie or not, but to provide an analysis and that oftentimes a review is better read after you see the movie....

So I present, retro reviews. I would love to see Moviebob review a movie like Lord of the Rings or Blade Runner. He kind of already does this with the obscure movies and anime, but it would also be fun to see that applied to really classic titles.

To a small extent, this calls for some Munroe: http://xkcd.com/603/

This is one of those sorts of debates that's just a powder keg. As Bob said, it's not black and white. You can take it a hundred different directions, such as deeper economic issues that lead to people eating more unhealthy foods, lifestyle issues leading to more sedentary lifestyles, et cetera et cetera. With the added fun that every side of the political spectrum has their own view on it and will put their fingers in their ears before listening to someone else's.

voorhees123:
The food is cheap and thus low earning parents buy it. Its a shame, but thats life.

I've never entirely bought into that version of the argument. Fast Food is NOT automatically cheaper than food that's better for you. Water costs less than soda, as far as I've been aware a few days worth of rice, vegetables, etc. generally costs less or not much more than that same days worth of fast food - at least in terms of what's needed to sustain true hunger and/or malnutrition - that sort of thing.

The only advantage fast food has is that it's CONVENIENT, re: someone else is making it, and kids want it more than they want healthy food; and that second one is, frankly, "comes with the job" stuff for rearing children.

I'm right with you again, Bob. McDonald's is fine unless you eat it every damn day with no exercise. There's one thing I'm surprised you didn't bring up: McDonalds' sponsorship of all these "get active" campaigns. Pretty much every time I've seen Ronald McDonald on TV these days he's been playing with kids outdoors. That, and they like to put a spin on their food. They sure like to trot out those apple dippers and milk jugs. Anyway, I think everyone knows McDonalds as a whole isn't good for you, but it's not nearly as dangerous as tobacco, and you ought to know better than to eat too much of it.

I'm pretty sure a mute theoretical physicist who kicks inter-dimensional ass with a fucking crowbar, WOULDN'T try to tell people that Micky-D's is the devil incarnate.
And I'm also pretty sure that Unreal Tournament caused all the fuckwads we have nowadays, not Halo. Ok yeah, Halo helped. Gotta admit that (Protip: NEVER EVER go into gamechat in Halo 3 or Reach at midnight, too many fucktards).

I'm not so sure the Joe Camel comparison is entirely inappropriate. Some items sold in fast food restaurants are literally habit forming, but on the other hand i'm hardly in a position to criticize. For as much as i advocate the "Learn to cook healthy meals yourself you lazy fuck" argument, work rarely leaves time for cooking, gaming, and taking care of my two pets, my dog and my girlfriend, so i've often given to the dark temptations of Taco Bell or Chinese takeout. I would never go to McDonalds, i hate McDonalds, but yeah... on Rapture my girlfriend and i threw a small party on the off-chance the religious fundamentalists were right and we would finally get to settle a bet of whether or not the horseman Pestilence would cause a zombie apocalypse or if it would be a multi-cataclysm apocalypse like in 2012. We ordered pizza.

But you did hit one nail on the head, mind you the nail was the size of a fucking barn, and that is that the problem isn't so much with the kids being given copious amounts of money that they spend on McDonalds binges but with parents who never make the time to learn to make better choices with their kids diets, and merely being 50% genetically similar to the child and having pumped out the poor gargoyle does not make you an authority on that child's well being. But my hatred of stupid parents has been one deeply ingrained for a while, so i might be biased against the stupid fucking bastards who think fucking without protection and dealing with nine months of concentrated agony somehow magically grants them the knowledge of how to handle kids. But... yeah. In the end you're right. Personal responsibility of the parents needs to come into play. Parents who feed their kids that slop shouting at the clown is like a smack addict shouting at a poppy farmer who never once told the user to stick the needle in his arm. It's like the people who rage against Wal-Mart despite being regular Wal-Mart customers.

That was a very interesting episode though it would have been better if you finished by blaming Johnny Depp for encouraging piracy.

I honeslty thought this was gonna be about Kefka when I read "We have met the enemy, and he is a clown."

But....good point

Also

REPTILE 0009:
"blame Master Chief for the lack of civility in online play," You seem to be doing that all the time.

I hate to be that guy but...

All I have to say is: The Media needs a scapegoat...and apparently McDonald's is IT for obesity.

Watching this video feels like that time when the newspaper said you can't (or can) have eggs because high cholesterol will lead to risks of heart attacks (...or not).

Remember just to take things in moderation.

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