The Big Picture: Going Green, Part II

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If they ignore all of this for the movie, which they probably will, it won't have been a huge waste of our time. We spent about 10 minutes watching the videos.

It will, however, have been a huge waste of your time, Bob.

MovieBob:
Everything you need to know (and more) about Green Lantern.

Thanks for summarizing the different color groups of lanterns and Blackest Night. I had been somewhat curious about the trade paperbacks, but had been shying away because it hadn't been terribly clear where to start.

Thanks Bob! I'm getting a tonne of Green Lantern collections this Christmas including Rebirth and Blackest Night, and you've enthused me even more.

Cyborg Superman as a Red Lantern? Even cooler than scarecrow.

.. thx bob

Sorry, can't let it go, the visible light spectrum doesn't contain black or white, black is the absence of visible light, white is a mixture of the entire spectrum...I know...I'm sorry, still good episode.

Last week I found the Green Lantern irritating... Now it actually seems kind of cool.

A waste of my time? My precious time! I think I'm feeling orange? Ok, nothing better than a recap of one of the biggest deaths from DC from MovieBob and one of the biggest deaths from Marvel(Dark Phoenix) from the guys of Pipoca and Nanquim. Too many USA Mythology in the same day for me. Thanks for the recap showing us the true power of the pink/purple ring of love and power cleavage! But for once, at least for once, in a separate series, deaths mean something in this Marvel/DC mess. A death that is meaningless is just that. Why any hero/heroine would lift an eyebrow for it? Well, now, kill the villains, this way they will give us some peace for longer, but when they "get better", they will be here for revenge and a great fight will... Ok, you got it. Thanks.

That was great! I love how they managed to tie up loose ends like the deaths of all the superheroes and how the colors are connected to emotions and stuff!

Geoff did some good stuff with Latern, but they took it too far. The Night thing was kind of neat, but they pussied out a bit. Ofc he did the whole Superboy Prime bullshit thing which ran me off DC for good tho.

It always amazed me that up until recently Batman managed to survive mostly intact in DC's crazy ass collective.

Not a waste of my time, a very insightful experience.

This color thing is so Tokusatsu.
I almost can see the Scarecrow power ranger transformation.

I doubt the movie will follow all the comic shenanigans, but I would loooove to see Ryan Reynolds go on an intergalactic homicidal rampage.

I want a black lantern ring now

Very informative video about the Green Lantern.

Too bad I wasn't even born back in the comic book days,but I really hope that Warner Premiere or some animation studio will go ahead and try to make this into a mini series or animation movies about these stories(I know that they're in the comics,but I can't really get my hands on any of them).

Odds are, if they do the same in the movie as what happened in the comic, it'll be way better executed, instead of being mostly transparent ploys to hype things up when sales are low. Stories are often waaaaay better when they know what's going to happen in advance, case in point: Spectacular Spiderman. Best take on supervillainy combined with organized crime that I've ever seen.

Also, the Escapist has been having problems left and right today.

I take it HEAT was pleased with the result?

And yeah, it would be cool to see Cillian Murphy's Scarecrow with super powers, for like a minute. (I know I disagree with Bob, because I think Christopher Nolan/Christian Bale's Batman movies would be committing the worst kind of suicide if they gave anyone in these movies super powers, especially if they brought in Superman or any of the rest of the DC universe. But I still agree it would be kind of neat to see actor Cillian Murphy and those creepy eyes of his go from blue to yellow at the time he makes some messed up yellow creation)

A pretty good guide for those who don't read comics. Since I do, it really wasn't a necessity for me, but still a pretty enjoyable video.

I like how to left out the part about the newest series, The Green Lantern War, where the increasingly convoluted yet epic storyline becomes even more convoluted when, without giving out any major details, the entire green lantern corps aside from a few, convenient individuals, becomes evil.

I had to slow clap as well.

Comics, as one might have said, are weird.

Okay...i am down. Seriously. Scare Crow with the power of the "yellow lantern". I see zero problem with this.

Yellow Lantern Scarecrow would have made Arkham Asylum a bitch to beat.

So as I said last week in a less spoilerific way, the only thing I hated more than the way they turned Hal evil is the way they turned him good again. oooh, I haz a yellow bug in my brain.

I've actually been bagging on a lot of Geoff Johns' ret-cons he's pulled over the years, but I do give him one bit of credit for using Necron to explain why heroes keep dying and coming back. Bravo on that one. Maybe it's just cause it feels like an injoke that hits the twin topics of retconning and resurrecting heroes at the same time.

Plus, we need something to replace the old adage "Nobody stays dead in the comics except Bucky, Uncle Ben and Jason Todd" since two of them have come back since the phrase was coined, and even Uncle Ben has been brought back in alternate-reality stories.

MovieBob:
Snip

So in effect, ten years of fanboy whining was worth it, sort of. Do you really think they would of done the Blackest Night, which was basically the cleverest excuse to bring every single character from... ever, if the whole Green Lantern fiasco never happened? Or find a way to bring Batman back from the not dead?

nothingspringstomind:
Thanks Bob! I'm getting a tonne of Green Lantern collections this Christmas including Rebirth and Blackest Night, and you've enthused me even more.

Cyborg Superman as a Red Lantern? Even cooler than scarecrow.

Wow. Isn't christmas in December? You must be part of the Black lantern corp with all this long term planning.

This summation might actually get me to read Green Lantern comics. I didn't know anything in the universe could get me to even consider it.

Looking back at Rebirth, I do like it, though at the time, yeah I was pissed at the cop out they handed Hal on a platter and gave up the book for a couple of years. Then the Sinestro Corps war hit and it's dragging me back in to this day. The upcoming reboot may be my only escape depending on sevarity.

JoelChenFA:

nothingspringstomind:
Thanks Bob! I'm getting a tonne of Green Lantern collections this Christmas including Rebirth and Blackest Night, and you've enthused me even more.

Cyborg Superman as a Red Lantern? Even cooler than scarecrow.

Wow. Isn't christmas in December? You must be part of the Black lantern corp with all this long term planning.

Yeah me and the missus usually start planning Christmas about now.

That way we get more stuff in one year than we ever got in both our childhoods combined.

Gonna end when we start having kids so we live it up now while we have no dependables.

Not G. Ivingname:

MovieBob:
Snip

So in effect, ten years of fanboy whining was worth it, sort of. Do you really think they would of done the Blackest Night, which was basically the cleverest excuse to bring every single character from... ever, if the whole Green Lantern fiasco never happened? Or find a way to bring Batman back from the not dead?

They had already done it on a smaller scale, which works as a GREAT bit of foreshadowing to Blackest Night long before Hal came back to the role.

In Green Lantern Annual #7 Kyle Rayner discovers a living Abin Sur who tells him that he should be dead, and is soon set upon by the dead Green Lantern corp, all living and all under the control of Nekron. They have Death-Powered Power Rings and Kyle is at this time the ONLY Green Lantern.

So he fights a veritable army on his own before finally getting the drop on Nekron (and I do mean drop, Nekron is way to powerful for any single hero to beat straight up. Even the overpowered ones) and Nekron says he'll be back.

Annual #7 was in it's basics, a prototype for Blackest Night except before the Emotional Spectrum existed and on a smaller (by which I mean only 3000ish Black Lanterns instead of a whole universe full of them) scale.

Also another note is that the idea for a 'Corp War' was also not Geoff Johns idea, or at least he wasn't the first person to come up with it.

In issues 120-124 of Green Lantern Volume 3 Kyle Rayner is shot, and then put in his own little dreamworld by The Controllers, who can be considered the Guardians if the Guardians were even BIGGER pricks than they already are. And trust me the Guardians are dicks.

The dream world depicted shows a New Oa with a new Green Lantern Corp, Ganthet is still around as the Guardian and the entire planet is much more full of life than the original. Anyway the Corp not only protects space but also fights against the Controllers who have their own Corp the Effigy Corp.

Effigy was a Supervillain of Kyle Rayners who was just like him, in the right place at the right time, when the controllers abducted him and reconstructed his body to have flame powers that could create constructs. So yeah an entire Corp filled with those guys. Ontop of that each of the Effigy Corp were people from Kyle's past, even if they shouldn't be around. a Manhunter Robot he had killed, Fatality who he had seen die (Twice in fact, Fatality never stays dead, or rather was never killed) etc. etc.

It all turned out to be a controller enduced figment of his imagination right? well... not exactly.

See Kyle is still seeing weird things and realizes the Controllers are still trying to influence him, so he flys to space and confronts Effigy who's been stripped of all his will and mearly repeats "I serve the controllers" when Kyle is captured by the Controllers he awakens to find that they HAVE constructed an Effigy Corp, and they intend to do the same thing to Kyle.

The story arc ended with Kyle telling the Controllers that if they came back they would be a facing a REAL Green Lantern Corp.

This WAS supposed to happen very soon as writer Ron Marz wanted to bring the Corp back and put John Stewert back in as a Guardian figure along side Ganthet. But unfortunatly Marz went to CrossGen leaving Green Lantern to Judd fucking Winick.

Now Judd Winick had GOOD ideas like Nero the crazy (by which I mean actual crazy not comic book crazy) weilder of a yellow power ring who's mind spurted out Great Horrors because of how twisted it was. And Ion, which at the time was basically 'Kyle Rayner has become God' but Ion didn't last as Kyle became fearful when people started worshipping him (what do you expect when your Omnipotent and Omniscient as well as being able to re-weave the fabric of time while preventing a paradox)

But he also never followed up on the Corp idea, and it would never properly be followed up on until Geoff Johns came back.

SpaceMedarotterX:

Not G. Ivingname:

MovieBob:
Snip

So in effect, ten years of fanboy whining was worth it, sort of. Do you really think they would of done the Blackest Night, which was basically the cleverest excuse to bring every single character from... ever, if the whole Green Lantern fiasco never happened? Or find a way to bring Batman back from the not dead?

They had already done it on a smaller scale, which works as a GREAT bit of foreshadowing to Blackest Night long before Hal came back to the role.

In Green Lantern Annual #7 Kyle Rayner discovers a living Abin Sur who tells him that he should be dead, and is soon set upon by the dead Green Lantern corp, all living and all under the control of Nekron. They have Death-Powered Power Rings and Kyle is at this time the ONLY Green Lantern.

So he fights a veritable army on his own before finally getting the drop on Nekron (and I do mean drop, Nekron is way to powerful for any single hero to beat straight up. Even the overpowered ones) and Nekron says he'll be back.

Annual #7 was in it's basics, a prototype for Blackest Night except before the Emotional Spectrum existed and on a smaller (by which I mean only 3000ish Black Lanterns instead of a whole universe full of them) scale.

Also another note is that the idea for a 'Corp War' was also not Geoff Johns idea, or at least he wasn't the first person to come up with it.

In issues 120-124 of Green Lantern Volume 3 Kyle Rayner is shot, and then put in his own little dreamworld by The Controllers, who can be considered the Guardians if the Guardians were even BIGGER pricks than they already are. And trust me the Guardians are dicks.

The dream world depicted shows a New Oa with a new Green Lantern Corp, Ganthet is still around as the Guardian and the entire planet is much more full of life than the original. Anyway the Corp not only protects space but also fights against the Controllers who have their own Corp the Effigy Corp.

Effigy was a Supervillain of Kyle Rayners who was just like him, in the right place at the right time, when the controllers abducted him and reconstructed his body to have flame powers that could create constructs. So yeah an entire Corp filled with those guys. Ontop of that each of the Effigy Corp were people from Kyle's past, even if they shouldn't be around. a Manhunter Robot he had killed, Fatality who he had seen die (Twice in fact, Fatality never stays dead, or rather was never killed) etc. etc.

It all turned out to be a controller enduced figment of his imagination right? well... not exactly.

See Kyle is still seeing weird things and realizes the Controllers are still trying to influence him, so he flys to space and confronts Effigy who's been stripped of all his will and mearly repeats "I serve the controllers" when Kyle is captured by the Controllers he awakens to find that they HAVE constructed an Effigy Corp, and they intend to do the same thing to Kyle.

The story arc ended with Kyle telling the Controllers that if they came back they would be a facing a REAL Green Lantern Corp.

This WAS supposed to happen very soon as writer Ron Marz wanted to bring the Corp back and put John Stewert back in as a Guardian figure along side Ganthet. But unfortunatly Marz went to CrossGen leaving Green Lantern to Judd fucking Winick.

Now Judd Winick had GOOD ideas like Nero the crazy (by which I mean actual crazy not comic book crazy) weilder of a yellow power ring who's mind spurted out Great Horrors because of how twisted it was. And Ion, which at the time was basically 'Kyle Rayner has become God' but Ion didn't last as Kyle became fearful when people started worshipping him (what do you expect when your Omnipotent and Omniscient as well as being able to re-weave the fabric of time while preventing a paradox)

But he also never followed up on the Corp idea, and it would never properly be followed up on until Geoff Johns came back.

...

Maybe I shouldn't of asked... >.>

I must admit, the Black Lantern Corps sounds pretty cool. I am almost inspired to go back and read some of Geoff John's Green Lantern comics.

Time is never wasted if it is spent in the pursuit of knowledge.

awww, so you hate "blackest night", and "brightest day"? My bro just got me the whole set, and told me to read through it! damn, is it really bad? I was actually looking forward to these....

I read the saga: overall great but the Sinestro Corps War was amazing. There was even

Ah, and Larfleeze:


is awesome.

Funny thing is I was discussing exactly all of this with a friend a couple days ago. Every bit of it.

This is what I love about The Big Picture.
It's a bunch of most likely useless information that is really interesting and makes me care about things that i normally wouldn't.
Very well done Bob, keep it up.
Also, you should do an episode on Xmen origins: Wolverine. That'd be a hoot and a half.

Hal Jordan is basically Geoff Johns pet character. He wrote his reimagined origin, he made the whole DC run in circles around the spectrum lanterns and blackest night. And now that the whole DC Universe is getting rebooted guess which character remains untouched?

All said and done, I'm not surprised that John Stewart was the Green Lantern they chose for the Justice League cartoon. Much more straight forward.

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